Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:57 am
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Yeah, that's fine. I mean, I'm baffled and I don't understand.
^This is a very unnecessary jab. Could be typical early teammate interaction, but it's also very minor.Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:08 pmThanks for your non-contributionTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:24 pm Alright let’s get this started. Who’s scum and why is it sig?
This may look slightly good for Epi, I think? The answer is disarming, not taking an opportunity to distance. Likelier to disarm someone who's town.
No, my point is that it makes sense for Sig to hate CFDs and get angry about them because he's one player whose Syndicate experience has been ruined by CFDs before.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:20 pmI feel like most of the response was pro-sig.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm I just remembered something.
Most of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).
Which is probably why Sig had such a strong reaction to this game's hot potato. He is another poor soul whose TS experience was scarred by it.
I'm reading him town now.
Ok this is certainly interesting. Albeit I don't see all three of you speaking from the same position.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:11 pmI can only speak for myself, but the town credibility of those who were around at the end of yesterday was established before the lynch went through. The hot potato only happened because we all town read each other, imo. It wasn’t a case of each of us deciding that we were trustworthy because the lynch was successful. We worked together to lynch a player because we trusted each other. I think.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:02 pmSee, this is why I hate CFDs/hot potatos.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:55 pm Oh, look. Scum hunting!
Sloonei, I have some comments/responses:
- I agree with you that Sig looks likely town from the EoD.
- I don't find Wilgy particularly suspicious, but more null maybe.
- I interpreted the line you're pointing out from Dom differently. But Dom will probably comment on that.
- It's hard to know whether scum knew Creature was the lynch or not until it was pointed out in thread. Depends on who it is and if they were around just at day end. I don't know when the poll disappeared. I also agree that silence or minimal commenting is probably where we will find scum.
What do you think of Tony coming in after the flip and starting to respond to posts and claiming he didn't know what was going on? In short, what do you think about my points against Tony?
All I get from Tony, Dom and Epi after the lynch is just salt or annoyance. Not saying they are all scum, but I'd be highly surprised if none of them where. I'm mostly suspicious of Tony for how he reacted to the lynch. He cleared the four of us begrudgingly, but he did not really change any of his reads otherwise after the flip or did any digging/evaluation for what the flip might mean. He just continues to read Dom and Epi town without question. It doesn't look like town reacting to a lynch and building a world from it. Maybe Dom and Epi are actually town and Tony is trying to win them over. That's just speculation though. The upset/salt towards me also confuses me.
It's not the fast vote changing at EoD. That is annoying but is also kind of fun and might work.
It's how if the hot potato hits scum, the people involved in it turn into absolute nascissists after the fact.
The first time I saw this happen, the game turned so insufferable I ended up getting in a fight with a bunch of people, almost ragequitting, and getting my first non-lylo mislynch in this site. Built some animosities that lasted months after that game.
I mean I get it, you guys scored town points. You don't need to talk about it every two posts. You don't need to assume people who disagree with you are automatically bad, either.
Which is why I won't vote for TSP. His frustration about having to deal with a new formed circle-jerk could be genuine, because I've felt it before.
Fuck hot potatos.
/rant
I'm not asking you to change your reads.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:20 amOk. I read your posts and I'm taking in your perspective. I also think you're likely town.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pmDys is being extremely unpleasant about the "everyone confirmed town" thing and Sloon is being kind of annoying too.
There is also a witch hunt going on against people who do not agree you 3 are confirmed scum.
I think you're not really being very fair here though
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For example, the reason I responded to Sloonei's post was because that was the post with the most content in and something to comment on. I would respond to any post like that no matter who it's by. It has nothing to do with Sloonei also voting Creature. But this is just normal game solving. This is how town win games. Town needs to identify each other and then work together to narrow the game down and lynch scum.
All I'm doing is pretty plain, regular scum hunting. My only objective is to try to find and lynch scum. I'm not going to scum hunt players I already town read (unless something happens etc). I'm going to spend my energy on those players I can't clear or where I have specific issues. Then I'm going to prod and question and make my mind up.
I was happy we lynched scum. I was happy it got me really good town reads in the process. I can only see that as a good thing. These are valid feelings on my part. I'm honestly very confused by why this is so upsetting. As town you win and lose as a team. There is no one or no few players that wins the game. Everyone who's town do, or nobody does. If town gets scum lynched and if town get a good way of working together, then that is only good news for town. The point is not who can get most town points or cred.
If you look at what I've done since the Creature lynch, it's going straight into trying to further narrow the game down, questioning where I have suspicions or too little info/content. It's not me that's been talking about "cred". It's not me that's been saying Fab 4 or whatever. We got lucky by the Creature lynch. Lucky, while working together to establish a PoE. It's effective.
Of course, if people distrust whoever lynched Creature, they will express that. For example Tony saying he suspects me. And I will respond. There's nothing out of the ordinary there.
While I can feel you on being frustrated, and I think that's valid, it always is, I will also say that it's not very inviting for me when I feel that what I do is regular (and ok, pretty eager) scum hunting, and what I get back is that "you're being unpleasant" and it feels like players are almost upset that we lynched scum. They are upset that I scum hunt. But that is what I need to do to help town win. I don't really understand it.
So if you're town, let's just concentrate on moving forward and how to get the next scum lynched.
This isn't even true. I know for me, I town leaned on Sig the whole game, especially after his reaction before the flip, telling us all off.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm I just remembered something.
Most of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).
It's fine that you want to town read Tony.
But I also don't think your summary of his reaction is accurate.
I hoping you're at least reading my posts and considering, even if you think I'm being unpleasant. I don't know how better to make my point come across.
I appreciate the warning about a divide, as that is indeed a danger for town. But I'm also not going to change my town reads when I don't see no reason to. I really don't know what I can do better, so just please trust me when I say I'm doing my best.
Ok, I hear you. And I'm sorry.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 amI'm asking you to, for example, stop calling people "salty" for disagreeing with them. I saw a few instances of that in the last page I read and it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It makes me want to avoid interacting with you
It's fine. Sorry for being a bit dramatic too.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:04 amOk, I hear you. And I'm sorry.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 amI'm asking you to, for example, stop calling people "salty" for disagreeing with them. I saw a few instances of that in the last page I read and it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It makes me want to avoid interacting with you
I mean, what is a mafia game without some drama? =p
slow reader and rl things... i am way behind.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:39 pm Let's lynch 1/4 of Sloonmeister and 3/4 of Sig. I think that will lead us somewhere.
May I receive a definition for "tingles" or/and "tinglies" please? related to mafia games if possible?
It triggers my “I want to make an in depth post about this” senses. The implication is that I found something scum or at least notable one way or another, but it’s the kind of thing that I as an at least reasonably seasoned mafia player read and think “ahh this means something”. For posts. For players, it means their posts have done that.
Is anyone able to provide help on this? ^timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:33 pm So, Creature is someone who I know absolutely nothing about. I need to know, how does he act in-thread with his baddie teammates? I can remember some times where a baddie teammate would tell me "look, I like to go after my teammates in the thread, just be aware" and stuff like that... does anyone have anything they can draw on about Creature is with baddie buds?
I'm doing a read through of any post where his name appears, and there is an impressive 3-way back n forth between Creature, Epignosis and DDL where they all kind of voted each other round and round in a semi-playful it's early on Day 1 way. Would a abddie Creature do this with his buds? Or does this feel like it's not showing a team cluster?
Probably not. I don’t know if I’ve ever played with scum creature before?timmer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:55 pmIs anyone able to provide help on this? ^timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:33 pm So, Creature is someone who I know absolutely nothing about. I need to know, how does he act in-thread with his baddie teammates? I can remember some times where a baddie teammate would tell me "look, I like to go after my teammates in the thread, just be aware" and stuff like that... does anyone have anything they can draw on about Creature is with baddie buds?
I'm doing a read through of any post where his name appears, and there is an impressive 3-way back n forth between Creature, Epignosis and DDL where they all kind of voted each other round and round in a semi-playful it's early on Day 1 way. Would a abddie Creature do this with his buds? Or does this feel like it's not showing a team cluster?
I think when it's about Creature anything it's possible. Just that can't be the base for reading scum the 2 you mentioned but can add up to a case you already have.timmer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:55 pmIs anyone able to provide help on this? ^timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:33 pm So, Creature is someone who I know absolutely nothing about. I need to know, how does he act in-thread with his baddie teammates? I can remember some times where a baddie teammate would tell me "look, I like to go after my teammates in the thread, just be aware" and stuff like that... does anyone have anything they can draw on about Creature is with baddie buds?
I'm doing a read through of any post where his name appears, and there is an impressive 3-way back n forth between Creature, Epignosis and DDL where they all kind of voted each other round and round in a semi-playful it's early on Day 1 way. Would a abddie Creature do this with his buds? Or does this feel like it's not showing a team cluster?
Thanks, so it's basically a Fos.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:21 pmIt triggers my “I want to make an in depth post about this” senses. The implication is that I found something scum or at least notable one way or another, but it’s the kind of thing that I as an at least reasonably seasoned mafia player read and think “ahh this means something”. For posts. For players, it means their posts have done that.
a wharMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:03 pmThanks, so it's basically a Fos.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:21 pmIt triggers my “I want to make an in depth post about this” senses. The implication is that I found something scum or at least notable one way or another, but it’s the kind of thing that I as an at least reasonably seasoned mafia player read and think “ahh this means something”. For posts. For players, it means their posts have done that.
Sig or Sigurd
I'm not voting Mac to make him show up.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.
There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?
I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
It was a minor point that looked bigger because I was typing a big post.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.
There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?
I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
What do you think about this post?Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:56 am Tony, why are you going specifically after the Fearsome Four? Do you agree with Epi that there's likely a baddie among them?
I don't really want to go after them. They all came together to lynch a baddie Day 1, in hot-potato fashion. That's good enough for me to want to look elsewhere for the next lynch.
Finger of suspicion.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:13 pma wharMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:03 pmThanks, so it's basically a Fos.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:21 pmIt triggers my “I want to make an in depth post about this” senses. The implication is that I found something scum or at least notable one way or another, but it’s the kind of thing that I as an at least reasonably seasoned mafia player read and think “ahh this means something”. For posts. For players, it means their posts have done that.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:28 pm I am playing but there is a lack of scumhuntable posts that I can talk about.
Someone overreact about something silly so another person can be shady about it and then I can vote for them.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pmThere it is.
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine
Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.
I can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am I also have a hunch on LC
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.
What makes you believe we have inactive bad guys?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:17 pmI'm not voting Mac to make him show up.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.
There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?
I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
I'm voting Mac because I think lynching him right now is a good move, considering we just got 1 baddie and there is a good chance there are inactives among the remaining ones. I feel like a semi-active baddie would have given more of a damn at EoD1.
And I haven't played with Sorsha in ages so I'm picking Mac over her.
If Mac decides to become active, this assessment may change, but right now I'm voting him to lynch him.
What do you think about this post?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:37 pmWhat do you think about this post?Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:56 am Tony, why are you going specifically after the Fearsome Four? Do you agree with Epi that there's likely a baddie among them?
I don't really want to go after them. They all came together to lynch a baddie Day 1, in hot-potato fashion. That's good enough for me to want to look elsewhere for the next lynch.
ExplainTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:11 pm It’s too politiciany and implicitly seems like he’s trying to “get my vote” or whatever
What do you think of his recent interaction with me? Do you think that is likely come from scum? Cause I doubt it.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:44 pmI can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
I think the emotions of DDL's posts are real, but I don't think they tell me anything about his alignment.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:48 pmWhat do you think of his recent interaction with me? Do you think that is likely come from scum? Cause I doubt it.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:44 pmI can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
Do you have any comment on Tony at all, or are you guys teamed or what?
I'll rehash them later.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:51 pmI think the emotions of DDL's posts are real, but I don't think they tell me anything about his alignment.
I am not currently inclined to vote for Tony. I've played with him twice in the recentish past. He was town once and I lynched him on Day 1. He was scum the other time, and I lynched him at the last second after having him as my top town read for the majority of the game. His play here looks more like the town version that I lynched Day 1. I'm also not sure what specific points exist against him.
The Epi thing was me half-assing a suspicion to see if I could make something to happen. It's partly joke partly serious. I did think Epi's vote on Creature was dumb but also was aware Epi is stubborn enough to do things like that. But I had nothing better to do so I voted anyway.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:44 pmDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:28 pm I am playing but there is a lack of scumhuntable posts that I can talk about.
Someone overreact about something silly so another person can be shady about it and then I can vote for them.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pmThere it is.
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine
Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.I can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am I also have a hunch on LC
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
Assuming you and your two buddies are civilian...Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:49 pmWhat makes you believe we have inactive bad guys?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:17 pmI'm not voting Mac to make him show up.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.
There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?
I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
I'm voting Mac because I think lynching him right now is a good move, considering we just got 1 baddie and there is a good chance there are inactives among the remaining ones. I feel like a semi-active baddie would have given more of a damn at EoD1.
And I haven't played with Sorsha in ages so I'm picking Mac over her.
If Mac decides to become active, this assessment may change, but right now I'm voting him to lynch him.