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Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:04 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:52 pm
Who's everyone else's Night 0 peek?
Guess.
If you're shitting on me again, that doesn't work. The peek is a civilian. Who's your civilian?
Literally not what I thought the question meant.
Clarity is your friend.
If you're the cop, who was your Night 0 free peek on a civilian?
Still a bad way of phrasing it. I was thinking "if you were the cop, who
would you have
chosen to check on n0" not necessarily who you got a green peek of.
You can just ask who I think is a lock civilian, that's more straightforward-- unless you specifically mean who I have felt sure was a lock civilian since the beginning of the game, in which case I don't have an answer.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
If I'm the cop, I will be using my shot tonight and claiming immediately on Day 2.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm
by nutella
Like, if that latter part is the question my first answer would be Mac but that's lame. Maayyyybe SVS but meh. MP is up there I guess.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:06 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:04 pm
Still a bad way of phrasing it. I was thinking "if you were the cop, who
would you have
chosen to check on n0" not necessarily who you got a green peek of.
You can just ask who I think is a lock civilian, that's more straightforward-- unless you specifically mean who I have felt sure was a lock civilian since the beginning of the game, in which case I don't have an answer.
What? The cop can't choose a check on Night 0. You wack mate.
What you're suggesting doesn't make sense with respect to what I am doing. It's not something I am going to spell out. I think everyone should tell me who they got a free green check on when the game started.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:06 pm
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:04 pm
Still a bad way of phrasing it. I was thinking "if you were the cop, who
would you have
chosen to check on n0" not necessarily who you got a green peek of.
You can just ask who I think is a lock civilian, that's more straightforward-- unless you specifically mean who I have felt sure was a lock civilian since the beginning of the game, in which case I don't have an answer.
What?
The cop can't choose a check on Night 0. You wack mate.
What you're suggesting doesn't make sense with respect to what I am doing. It's not something I am going to spell out. I think everyone should tell me who they got a free green check on when the game started.
Oh. Didn't know that. K

Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:07 pm
by nutella
Sorry for being obtuse. I guess I still don't see the point of whatever you're doing. Another mysterious Jay exercise.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:09 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
It's ordinary heist stuff, but I suppose it has been a while since the last matrix game or standard vanilla-cop setup.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 pm
by Long Con
I didn't get it either. I thought a Day 0 peek was a free check on a player. Could end up red or green. I guess I might as well not give a fake answer now.

Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:11 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I would be frustrated about these last 20 posts, but it matters little since I'm the cop.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:13 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hard claim or soft
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:14 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:15 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Cool
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:16 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
These are my favorite kinds of games.

Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I hate fake claim fests tbh
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
by Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:51 pm
Dizzy quoted it and just said "-10". How is that not supposed to look "gotcha"?
I'm not Dyslexicon. I told you about my accusation. I cannot speak for another human being.
Yes, and I brought up the concept saying "Dizzy latched onto as some 'gotcha' moment." How's that vaunted reading comprehension working for you? Or is that just something you do when you are Civ?
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:51 pmTHANK YOU for this, it's nice when they fall into your lap like this. "Absolving Michelle", eh? For someone who reads everything, I would think "I'm not lynching her for day 1 banter", followed by "I was thinking of it from Epi teaming you and her due to the banter. What did you think was 'more'? " to S~V~S, when she responded, followed by nutella actually thinking I was "on the Michelle train", followed by "it's slightly scummy-looking when framed like that, but I'm not hopping on the train over it"... all that solid reading, and you try to throw "Absolving through TMI" in my face?
This is exactly the kind of thing I'm accusing you of.
My wording may have been confusing. I don't mean that you absolved her of guilt and named her innocent. I meant that you absolved her
of that suspicion for what to me looked like no reason. And on that basis, there's room for TMI.
All that "fell in my lap" bravado is meaningless.
Ohhhh, your wording was confusing. Of course it wasn't a direct attempt to put things like "ABSOLVED MICHELLE" and "TMI ON MICHELLE" into the readers' heads. Nah. Just a little minor confusion.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:51 pmOk. Dizzy's accusation was that Michelle said "you don't have any reason to think I'm scum", which is scummier looking than saying "I'm town". Sure. What Michelle actually said was "... looks like you want to shade me but you can't because you don't have any reason to scum read me." which is not the same thing at all. Michelle was discussing the reason why S~V~S' supposed shade looked so weak to her. She wasn't TELLING S~V~S that there's no reason to think she's scum, she was ANALYZING her view on S~V~S' perspective.
My point here was that I thought this distinction was clear in the first place, and I find it hard to believe that it inspired an epiphany.
Not, apparently, to your predecessor. Dizzy was going with the TELLING angle in order to shade Michelle, when going with the ANALYZING angle delivers no shade. I think it was his main point against her, and BECAUSE Dizzy put it that way, I saw it that way, until I looked deeper. You have the luxury of having it all already out there, so never had to deal with the unclear distinction. You're welcome, and this is a reason I thought Dizzy was bad.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:51 pmI'm town and you're not.

That has to count for something.
If you are town, then you are doing us both a disservice by refusing to communicate with me in an open manner. Consider one obvious point: you just hosted me in a GOC in which I had the ability to freely hunt as a mafioso. Until all of my team was dead, I played that game at half-JJJ pace. A mafioso in this game cannot freely hunt. I am playing at full JJJ pace. I am nothing like I was in your game just last week, and it reflects the breath of fresh air that is a civilian role.
How the fuck am I not being open? I'm being as clear and open as I possibly can about what I see you saying, and what it means to me. I honestly don't know what more I can say, I feel like I have laid it all out there, most things more than once.
You play the same way every time as a baddie? You have the wherewithal to self-analyze as a defense NOW, but not to pre-analyze the same behaviour to craft a "not-like-bad-JJJ" presence?

Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
by MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:43 pm
Poop. Later Mac.
We're okay. From a POE perspective, I still feel decent about the current sitch.
fuck you and everyone else not named nutella
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:28 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
Yes, and I brought up the concept saying "Dizzy latched onto as some 'gotcha' moment." How's that vaunted reading comprehension working for you? Or is that just something you do when you are Civ?
I thought you suggested we
both did that, or that my "maneuver" was similar. It wasn't.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmOhhhh, your wording was confusing. Of course it wasn't a direct attempt to put things like "ABSOLVED MICHELLE" and "TMI ON MICHELLE" into the readers' heads. Nah. Just a little minor confusion.
I corrected it. You can address what I said or you can diarrhea this sarcastic bullshit. I am explaining exactly where my head was at. There's a lot more room for agenda in this continued effort to degrade my words as so utterly stupid that they warrant only the loudest eyerolls you can manage.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmNot, apparently, to your predecessor. Dizzy was going with the TELLING angle in order to shade Michelle, when going with the ANALYZING angle delivers no shade. I think it was his main point against her, and BECAUSE Dizzy put it that way, I saw it that way, until I looked deeper. You have the luxury of having it all already out there, so never had to deal with the unclear distinction. You're welcome, and this is a reason I thought Dizzy was bad.
That's worth considering. You're right that I wasn't here when it happened live, and that impacts my perspective.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmHow the fuck am I not being open? I'm being as clear and open as I possibly can about what I see you saying, and what it means to me. I honestly don't know what more I can say, I feel like I have laid it all out there, most things more than once.
I know you've done that. You've done it without respect for anything I have said to you. I have been talking to a brick wall.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmYou play the same way every time as a baddie? You have the wherewithal to self-analyze as a defense NOW, but not to pre-analyze the same behaviour to craft a "not-like-bad-JJJ" presence?
I don't play exactly the same way every time, no. But I am very conscious of what I can and cannot do well.
I could not effectively perform this way if I had entered this game as a mafioso with a noose already around my neck. My interest would probably have been in WIFOM and protecting my teammates had I been stuck in that shit sandwich. Thankfully Dizzy isn't the sort to bail on a game like
that and leave some unnamed replacement to clean up their mafioso mess. It's not quite the same for a civilian replacement.
Folks can believe that or not. It's true though.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:29 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:43 pm
Poop. Later Mac.
We're okay. From a POE perspective, I still feel decent about the current sitch.
fuck you and everyone else not named nutella
The last time you mislynched me, you blamed me for it. Cry.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 pm
by Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
Yes, and I brought up the concept saying "Dizzy latched onto as some 'gotcha' moment." How's that vaunted reading comprehension working for you? Or is that just something you do when you are Civ?
I thought you suggested we
both did that, or that my "maneuver" was similar. It wasn't.
Phew, one for the "RESOLVED" category.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmOhhhh, your wording was confusing. Of course it wasn't a direct attempt to put things like "ABSOLVED MICHELLE" and "TMI ON MICHELLE" into the readers' heads. Nah. Just a little minor confusion.
I corrected it. You can address what I said or you can diarrhea this sarcastic bullshit. I am explaining exactly where my head was at. There's a lot more room for agenda in this continued effort to degrade my words as so utterly stupid that they warrant only the loudest eyerolls you can manage.
You are the one who used an eyeroll on me, sir.
If I accept that you backed down on it with a correction, then what do I do with the suspicion it caused?
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmNot, apparently, to your predecessor. Dizzy was going with the TELLING angle in order to shade Michelle, when going with the ANALYZING angle delivers no shade. I think it was his main point against her, and BECAUSE Dizzy put it that way, I saw it that way, until I looked deeper. You have the luxury of having it all already out there, so never had to deal with the unclear distinction. You're welcome, and this is a reason I thought Dizzy was bad.
That's worth considering. You're right that I wasn't here when it happened live, and that impacts my perspective.
Just say "you're right" next time, that's enough.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmHow the fuck am I not being open? I'm being as clear and open as I possibly can about what I see you saying, and what it means to me. I honestly don't know what more I can say, I feel like I have laid it all out there, most things more than once.
I know you've done that. You've done it without respect for anything I have said to you. I have been talking to a brick wall.
I've literally picked apart and responded to you sentence by sentence for the last few hours. You are a difficult mistress to please.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmYou play the same way every time as a baddie? You have the wherewithal to self-analyze as a defense NOW, but not to pre-analyze the same behaviour to craft a "not-like-bad-JJJ" presence?
I don't play exactly the same way every time, no. But I am very conscious of what I can and cannot do well.
I could not effectively perform this way if I had entered this game as a mafioso with a noose already around my neck. My interest would probably have been in WIFOM and protecting my teammates had I been stuck in that shit sandwich. Thankfully Dizzy isn't the sort to bail on a game like
that and leave some unnamed replacement to clean up their mafioso mess. It's not quite the same for a civilian replacement.
Folks can believe that or not. It's true though.
It's just why I don't thrill over self-meta-analysis.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:55 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 pm
I've literally picked apart and responded to you sentence by sentence for the last few hours. You are a difficult mistress to please.
Forget it. Everything I post is bad because I am bad. Every sentence I write is bad because of my bad mafia motivations motivated by my bad badness.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:56 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I think this exchange has well overstayed it's welcome. We're not lynching each other in the night phase. I'll see how I feel as the game proceeds.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:20 pm
by Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:55 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 pm
I've literally picked apart and responded to you sentence by sentence for the last few hours. You are a difficult mistress to please.
Forget it. Everything I post is bad because I am bad. Every sentence I write is bad because of my bad mafia motivations motivated by my bad badness.
THAT'S more like it!
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:56 pm
I think this exchange has well overstayed it's welcome. We're not lynching each other in the night phase. I'll see how I feel as the game proceeds.
Agreed.
*Wakanda Forever arms*
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:50 pm
by Epignosis
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:43 pm
Poop. Later Mac.
We're okay. From a POE perspective, I still feel decent about the current sitch.
fuck you and everyone else not named nutella

Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:39 pm
by Tangrowth
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:52 pm
Like I get the natural “hey that guy just killed a townie!” Snap reactions, but think this through...why does scumNanook need to build a Mac wagon ENTIRELY FROM SCRATCH when nutella/Epi/LC are all already there?
It wasn't from scratch though; there was already thread momentum against Mac, namely by me.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:39 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm
Both peanuts and crackerjacks taste bad.
I'm offended by this opinion.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:40 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:56 pm
General assertion: anyone inclined to operate from a "somebody saved LC" (or saved whoever) mindset should be inclined to lynch the savee before the saver. That's the foundation of the theory.
All the more reason pre-associative reads are... unreliable, but that's just my opinion. They can be useful to speculate upon, but not as the basis for a suspicion IMO. They've burned me too many times.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:41 pm
by Tangrowth
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:45 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:42 pm
I think I fixed it.
Anyway, to add to this train of thought re: nutella specifically, I dislike that kind of statement in general always for all time, but I dislike it more coming from her. I understand I haven't played with nutella in a while, but one of my favorite things about her town game is her ability to re-assess, and so I find it incompatible with her town game if she says stuff like that.
Why? I townread you and nanook before that shitshow, so how is that not reassessing
You didn't wait until the flip happened, and it also seems closed-minded to me as if you're only evaluating our final impact (the vote) as opposed to the totality of posts.
Yeah I realized you had more history of suspecting Mac so I do think Nanook looks a lot worse for pushing the cfd. I think it looked like a save of LC or Epi.
I don’t need to build a Mac TK from the ground up to save either of them, though
Also I voted Epi before that so that’s a weird way to save him
You didn't built it from the ground up, you made sure MP was on board with it.
Bullshit, I built that fucking wagon wholesale. I own it, that wagon belongs to me, I bought the materials and assembled everything, MP brought the horses and LC/JJJ brought the shade cover on top.
My vote was already on Mac and I was calling for opinions on him way before you said anything. I appreciate that you're taking responsibility for your vote and the CFD call though.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:42 pm
by Long Con
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:56 pm
General assertion: anyone inclined to operate from a "somebody saved LC" (or saved whoever) mindset should be inclined to lynch the savee before the saver. That's the foundation of the theory.
All the more reason pre-associative reads are... unreliable, but that's just my opinion. They can be useful to speculate upon, but not as the basis for a suspicion IMO. They've burned me too many times.
Agreed.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:43 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:11 pm
I just changed my mind about Michelle. She can be mafia.
Tell me more.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:44 pm
by Tangrowth
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:28 pm

How does that help your mood?
Subjunctivated the fuck out of it.
I absolutely love that this is a meme now.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:47 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:27 pm
Anyone who reads this exchange and does not provide a take of some kind is failing the civilian faction.
I'll re-evaluate it inevitably, but in a vacuum it
feels town on town to me.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:47 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Plenty of potential in this, and the workload is not immense. Even if one cannot find the exact team of two, one can probably eliminate numerous permutations.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:47 pm
by Tangrowth
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:27 pm
Anyone who reads this exchange and does not provide a take of some kind is failing the civilian faction.
I'll be honest I'm not really following it. All I see is the little lines from Peanuts.
That's an amazing way to put it.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:48 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:47 pm
Plenty of potential in this, and the workload is not immense. Even if one cannot find the exact team of two, one can probably eliminate numerous permutations.
FUCK YES, are we doing GTH reads? That'd be fun.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:49 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:11 pm
I just changed my mind about Michelle. She can be mafia.
Tell me more.
I looked at the player list and did some light-speed mental pairwise comparisons between various people, and I didn't feel great about eliminating her. I need greater confidence to responsibly remove her from the pool.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:50 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:37 pm
I feel like everyone should have a pretty developed POE pool right now. There are seven not-yous and two of them are no good. Even two solid civilian reads nets a workable reduction, and I think we can do better than that.
Let's go.
JaggedJimmyJay
nutella
Epignosis
Michelle
Long Con
S~V~S
Nanook
Players are alphabetical within groups. Damn, I really need to resolve that middle tier.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:50 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:48 pm
FUCK YES, are we doing GTH reads? That'd be fun.
We could, though that particular chart was for those pre-flip associative reads you just balked at.
(they're best for POE and perhaps incidentally useful for suspicion)
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:50 pm
by Tangrowth
Why the fuck am I town reading everyone
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:51 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:45 pm
Why? I townread you and nanook before that shitshow, so how is that not reassessing
You didn't wait until the flip happened, and it also seems closed-minded to me as if you're only evaluating our final impact (the vote) as opposed to the totality of posts.
Yeah I realized you had more history of suspecting Mac so I do think Nanook looks a lot worse for pushing the cfd. I think it looked like a save of LC or Epi.
I don’t need to build a Mac TK from the ground up to save either of them, though
Also I voted Epi before that so that’s a weird way to save him
You didn't built it from the ground up, you made sure MP was on board with it.
Bullshit, I built that fucking wagon wholesale. I own it, that wagon belongs to me, I bought the materials and assembled everything, MP brought the horses and LC/JJJ brought the shade cover on top.
My vote was already on Mac and I was calling for opinions on him way before you said anything. I appreciate that you're taking responsibility for your vote and the CFD call though.
Early in day maybe, idk. It definitely wasn’t late day, when it mattered/I built the wagon.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:52 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:52 pm
Who's everyone else's Night 0 peek?
nutella.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:53 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:50 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:48 pm
FUCK YES, are we doing GTH reads? That'd be fun.
We could, though that particular chart was for those pre-flip associative reads you just balked at.
(they're best for POE and perhaps incidentally useful for suspicion)
OH! Of course. Lmao.
I could indulge in the exercise for world-building purposes I suppose, although it's just hard to know anything until we have a red flip. I suppose it might be necessary though.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm
If I'm the cop, I will be using my shot tonight and claiming immediately on Day 2.
Agreed 100%. It's the right thing to do.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:55 pm
by Tangrowth
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 pm
I didn't get it either. I thought a Day 0 peek was a free check on a player. Could end up red or green. I guess I might as well not give a fake answer now.
You're close, although it has to be a green check.
So, like, if I'm the cop, before the game started, I received a PM that says "so and so townie is a townie". That's how the n0 check typically works; I don't get to choose.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:56 pm
by Tangrowth
I am glad Jay started this discussion though, it is apparent the matrix setup has been underutilized for a while. I personally think matrix games are cool, but I'm a weirdo.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm
by Tangrowth
They can be annoying, but I think they're fun with the right group.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I have no reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con. Their posts about each other are boring.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:58 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
Yes, and I brought up the concept saying "Dizzy latched onto as some 'gotcha' moment." How's that vaunted reading comprehension working for you? Or is that just something you do when you are Civ?
I thought you suggested we
both did that, or that my "maneuver" was similar. It wasn't.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmOhhhh, your wording was confusing. Of course it wasn't a direct attempt to put things like "ABSOLVED MICHELLE" and "TMI ON MICHELLE" into the readers' heads. Nah. Just a little minor confusion.
I corrected it. You can address what I said or you can diarrhea this sarcastic bullshit. I am explaining exactly where my head was at. There's a lot more room for agenda in this continued effort to degrade my words as so utterly stupid that they warrant only the loudest eyerolls you can manage.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmNot, apparently, to your predecessor. Dizzy was going with the TELLING angle in order to shade Michelle, when going with the ANALYZING angle delivers no shade. I think it was his main point against her, and BECAUSE Dizzy put it that way, I saw it that way, until I looked deeper. You have the luxury of having it all already out there, so never had to deal with the unclear distinction. You're welcome, and this is a reason I thought Dizzy was bad.
That's worth considering. You're right that I wasn't here when it happened live, and that impacts my perspective.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmHow the fuck am I not being open? I'm being as clear and open as I possibly can about what I see you saying, and what it means to me. I honestly don't know what more I can say, I feel like I have laid it all out there, most things more than once.
I know you've done that. You've done it without respect for anything I have said to you. I have been talking to a brick wall.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmYou play the same way every time as a baddie? You have the wherewithal to self-analyze as a defense NOW, but not to pre-analyze the same behaviour to craft a "not-like-bad-JJJ" presence?
I don't play exactly the same way every time, no. But I am very conscious of what I can and cannot do well.
I could not effectively perform this way if I had entered this game as a mafioso with a noose already around my neck. My interest would probably have been in WIFOM and protecting my teammates had I been stuck in that shit sandwich. Thankfully Dizzy isn't the sort to bail on a game like
that and leave some unnamed replacement to clean up their mafioso mess. It's not quite the same for a civilian replacement.
Folks can believe that or not. It's true though.
I believe it. I also am glad you both are having this discussion, because it ironically makes me feel better about LC.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:59 pm
by Tangrowth
If Jay and LC are the scum team, I recommend Sloonei just end this game now, because this would be truly outstanding.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:00 pm
by Tangrowth
I bet you all missed me posting 50 times in a row.
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [NIGHT 1]
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:00 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:58 pmbecause it ironically makes me feel better about LC.
Then the dialogue has purpose.
