The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:37 pm 2) I suspected Dragomir in the first place primarily because the response to some people scumreading him was for Dizzy (who I theorized to be his wolf partner) to immediately bus him (or so I thought at the time). This is why when I put Dizzy and Dragomir down as scum on my initial list, I listed them together - because my theory was that they were specifically wolf buddies together and Dizzy was bussing him. I've later come into evidence about Dizzy's meta that shows that Dizzy's actions weren't necessarily a bus, which means that particular reason for suspecting Dragomir is out the window.

Hmnn sorry I don't follow you.
What do you mean "some people scumreading him was for Dizzy"?
"that particular reason for suspecting Dragomir" --> was there other reasons?

Can I just be honest and say that I've hardly read a single word Alison and Proto have written?

Agh mobile submission ate my post.

I don't like the shot on Soneji but don't have any super support for why not. Just here for the town cred post flip I guess.

The strong omgus from Epi is amusing and continues to make me believe they are an alien.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:48 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:43 pm Why Soneji? I like his reads and he's not even there.

I'm not impressed by his reads tbh. Pushing Epi is not a favorable point to me right now.

Make a list of names of players you want to shoot and I'll tell you who to shoot out of the list. What can go wrong?

Soneji > you > rej > carot > dizzy


Carot prob gets a newbie pass though she's in a concurrent game as well tbf

I'm waffly on Alison


And on dizzy, dunya, tsp

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:48 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:43 pm Why Soneji? I like his reads and he's not even there.

I'm not impressed by his reads tbh. Pushing Epi is not a favorable point to me right now.

Make a list of names of players you want to shoot and I'll tell you who to shoot out of the list. What can go wrong?

Soneji > you > rej > carot > dizzy


Carot prob gets a newbie pass though she's in a concurrent game as well tbf

I veto you shooting anyone on this list aside from me and Soneji.

Cool, I wasn't going to anyway.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:27 pm Soneji, why shouldn't I blast you off the face of our planet?


Anyone else, if you have any good reasons not to blast Soneji or particularly good reasons to blast someone else, speak in the next 40 minutes please.

I offer my insights to the game, usually valuable depending on my time/energy. If you value my insights, keep me alive. If you don't, shoot me.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:50 pm Agh mobile submission ate my post.

I don't like the shot on Soneji but don't have any super support for why not. Just here for the town cred post flip I guess.

The strong omgus from Epi is amusing and continues to make me believe they are an alien.

Uh oh.

Proto trending down.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:52 pm I'm waffly on Alison


And on dizzy, dunya, tsp

TSP is my top town read.

Okay. Let's say if I shoot Soneji and he flips town, we go with his plan laid out here as his legacy.

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:57 am As for the strat I think is best : I'm good with the bottom four PoE strat for n1 only, otherwise think top 3 towncore should protect nutella on odd nights, top 4 towncore on even nights. Could mix in some of the middle of the pack to preserve some of the top towncores protects, best to adjust that as we go. On that first night, the middling PoE should use their protects on the towncore. On subsequent nights the bottom of the PoE should be protecting the towncore, with probably a double up on the very top of the towncore. Force aliens to shoot into bottom or middling Poe, or have to use two kills on even nights to kill one towncore and not even the best SPK they could get.

For simplicities sake, will lay out the first three nights :

N1 : Bottom four of the PoE assigned to protect nutella, while the next three lowest PoE protect the top 3 towncore.

N2 : Top three towncore+one middling PoE protect nutella, while the bottom three to four in the PoE protect the top 3 towncore. If four double up on the very top towncore SPK.

N3 : Top two towncore+one middling PoE protect nutella, bottom three PoE protects top three towncore.

With this we can shuffle enough to have top towncore with protects left up until late. It's a small game, so I think people are overestimating how conservative we need to be with protects. By the end of n4, there can be up to 10 deaths if the aliens succeed on both their double kills. Then n5 being an odd night needs only one towncore with a protect left alive to secure nutella's safety.

Also a readslist would be cool (though I have a decent idea from your iso)

You can trend me down if I'm wrong on Soneji.

Trending me down because you townread epi would be unfortunate.

I would go so far as to say shoot epi and if they flip town you can shoot me next day.

Oh lol Soneji appeared

Well I mean. I share most of his reads so I don't want you to shoot them but that's it.

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:27 pm Soneji, why shouldn't I blast you off the face of our planet?


Anyone else, if you have any good reasons not to blast Soneji or particularly good reasons to blast someone else, speak in the next 40 minutes please.

I offer my insights to the game, usually valuable depending on my time/energy. If you value my insights, keep me alive. If you don't, shoot me.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:58 pm You can trend me down if I'm wrong on Soneji.

Trending me down because you townread epi would be unfortunate.

I would go so far as to say shoot epi and if they flip town you can shoot me next day.

Proto just in a downward spiral imo

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:59 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:58 pm You can trend me down if I'm wrong on Soneji.

Trending me down because you townread epi would be unfortunate.

I would go so far as to say shoot epi and if they flip town you can shoot me next day.

Proto just in a downward spiral imo

Though I see this from town with some regularity

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:58 pm You can trend me down if I'm wrong on Soneji.

Trending me down because you townread epi would be unfortunate.

I would go so far as to say shoot epi and if they flip town you can shoot me next day.

Bad post fam

Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Nutella w confirmed

Yeah nutella should just shoot herself

Well see if epi agrees and if so you get a free hard difference check.

As I see it, I'm not any more confident on anyone else being alien, and Soneji would be a decent tradeoff even if town because he has provided value in the form of that strategic plan. Yes yes I know, no misyeet is a "good tradeoff," but he's my top scumread atm anyway and just in the event that he's not, he's given us something to work with.

I can't be partners with epi unless bussing when Nutella wants to shoot Soneji. It's an actual difference check and I'm willing to be shot next day if I'm wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Hmn I feel dragomir-MacDougall/TonyStarkPrime/maybe Rej would be ok

Now if Soneji flips alien, you prob should shoot me since I tried to push shot to epi. And then you can townread epi until I flip town.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Don't think shading the mod confirmed player is one's best approach

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:06 pm As I see it, I'm not any more confident on anyone else being alien, and Soneji would be a decent tradeoff even if town because he has provided value in the form of that strategic plan. Yes yes I know, no misyeet is a "good tradeoff," but he's my top scumread atm anyway and just in the event that he's not, he's given us something to work with.

Well problem is his strategy is really towncore/POE related and if you're going to nuke him with your laser, I doubt you share the same view :P So it wouldn't even be a comfort to him in a way.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Hmn I feel dragomir-MacDougall/TonyStarkPrime/maybe Rej would be ok

Pop quiz! What would your good friend Jay call this post?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:37 pm 2) I suspected Dragomir in the first place primarily because the response to some people scumreading him was for Dizzy (who I theorized to be his wolf partner) to immediately bus him (or so I thought at the time). This is why when I put Dizzy and Dragomir down as scum on my initial list, I listed them together - because my theory was that they were specifically wolf buddies together and Dizzy was bussing him. I've later come into evidence about Dizzy's meta that shows that Dizzy's actions weren't necessarily a bus, which means that particular reason for suspecting Dragomir is out the window.

Hmnn sorry I don't follow you.
What do you mean "some people scumreading him was for Dizzy"?
"that particular reason for suspecting Dragomir" --> was there other reasons?

I mean that when Dragomir was scumread by some players, Dizzy immediately attacked him in a sketchy way. I wrote a huge post about why I found Dizzy's attack sketchy, although after my meta trawl I now think it's just the way he plays. At the time, I interpreted this as a sign that Dizzy was bussing Dragomir and trying hard to concoct a fake attack on him. Needless to say, if my theory is right, then Dizzy and Dragomir are scum together - so that is why I put them down as scum partners on my reads list.

The other reasons for suspecting Dragomir would be the "caught for the wrong reasons" tell Dizzy pointed out (which I said was a good point, even when I thought Dizzy was making it all up), and MacDougall's chaos in thread after subbing in.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:09 pm Now if Soneji flips alien, you prob should shoot me since I tried to push shot to epi. And then you can townread epi until I flip town.

I don't know why you keep doing this wifomy preflip TMI shit when I've said twice it's scummy as hell.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Hmn I feel dragomir-MacDougall/TonyStarkPrime/maybe Rej would be ok

Jay is this salad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:13 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Hmn I feel dragomir-MacDougall/TonyStarkPrime/maybe Rej would be ok

Jay is this salad

Shush I was quizzing her

but like does carotenoid ever do this with scum buddy Soneji? Looking for cred?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:11 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Hmn I feel dragomir-MacDougall/TonyStarkPrime/maybe Rej would be ok

Pop quiz! What would your good friend Jay call this post?

Loooool! The thing with Rej is that they're suspiscious but they're not here. Call it a salad if you want I guess ^^

Everything is hard

Nutella you asked for strong views before you used your shot.

If you find me scummy, shoot me. You still have the difference check after I die.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:12 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:09 pm Now if Soneji flips alien, you prob should shoot me since I tried to push shot to epi. And then you can townread epi until I flip town.

I don't know why you keep doing this wifomy preflip TMI shit when I've said twice it's scummy as hell.

Do you think the paranoia/tinfoil stuff is faked? I think it's really hard to fake as scum in a way that doesn't feel very obvious.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:12 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:37 pm 2) I suspected Dragomir in the first place primarily because the response to some people scumreading him was for Dizzy (who I theorized to be his wolf partner) to immediately bus him (or so I thought at the time). This is why when I put Dizzy and Dragomir down as scum on my initial list, I listed them together - because my theory was that they were specifically wolf buddies together and Dizzy was bussing him. I've later come into evidence about Dizzy's meta that shows that Dizzy's actions weren't necessarily a bus, which means that particular reason for suspecting Dragomir is out the window.

Hmnn sorry I don't follow you.
What do you mean "some people scumreading him was for Dizzy"?
"that particular reason for suspecting Dragomir" --> was there other reasons?

I mean that when Dragomir was scumread by some players, Dizzy immediately attacked him in a sketchy way. I wrote a huge post about why I found Dizzy's attack sketchy, although after my meta trawl I now think it's just the way he plays. At the time, I interpreted this as a sign that Dizzy was bussing Dragomir and trying hard to concoct a fake attack on him. Needless to say, if my theory is right, then Dizzy and Dragomir are scum together - so that is why I put them down as scum partners on my reads list.

The other reasons for suspecting Dragomir would be the "caught for the wrong reasons" tell Dizzy pointed out (which I said was a good point, even when I thought Dizzy was making it all up), and MacDougall's chaos in thread after subbing in.

Oh, I thought it was also related to the case dunya made?

I'm pretty confused.

I thought we get told who was shot and their alignment rather than "the laser has been fired"

Not really - I did think dunya's push on Drago was pretty game-solvey and made me read them as town, but the main reason I myself suspected Dragomir was because of the Dizzy thing primarily

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:22 pm I'm pretty confused.

I thought we get told who was shot and their alignment rather than "the laser has been fired"

Lasers don’t move that fast. Takes some time.

Hi TSP. I don't think we've talked much, I've been focused on other players (Epi/Dizzy/now Caro). I also feel like I've been skimming over a lot of your posts or don't really see much of importance in them, so I'm going to try to correct that and go over your posts more carefully. Do you still endorse the readlist in MacDougall's #507? Specifically I was curious about LC at the very bottom of the list, since they haven't done anything that jumped out to me as scummy either.

The laser gun fired.

It all happened in less than a second. A blast of white light pierced the heavens, escaping the atmosphere and entering deep space. As it pierced the air, the entire sky around it illuminated so hard that someone who looked at the laser directly might have damaged their eyes. The sound it made was just as strong, as if 1000 thunderbolts had hit the same spot at once.

It hit a flying object, causing it to almost completely disintegrate. Some of its particles fell into the atmosphere, becoming shooting stars.

A drone flew close to one of those shooting stars and managed to read the radiations coming out of its particles. The readings were clear. They did not come from any kind of material that existed on Earth.

!!! Wow wasn't expecting that, gg

not having a QT to keep track of my reads in is kind of a bummer. ig i gotta do it like this. am up to page 5 and i have

town:

nut - IC

dizzy - idek what to say here other than i’m not wrong about this

tutuu - town vibe too stronk! posts feel super natural and reads feel organic. i like everything i’m seeing from her so far

proto - how he wrote his reads felt like he was actually thinking about them as he was writing. like i was able to see the progression of his thoughts and it felt real to me. i saw dunya had the same take here

town lean:

dunya - ngl i was kinda taken aback at first by how confident she seemed in her reads so quickly, but i think that’s more towny than not on balance? some things gave me pause though. idk i’m kinda paranoid of her but can be a town lean for now for the solving and also mindmelding on proto

carotte - vibes the same to me as when she was town in her champs game. her strategy seemed the best/most town-motivated of the ones suggested. i also liked the reads on epi and LC she gave

nullish:

nanook - his attitude/tone read as more town to me but i’m not sure if this is an alignment thing or a nanook thing

tsp - his posts seem to mostly be strategy stuff so far. it does feel like town-motivated strategy (like the wanting to bet on having a good poe) but i think good strategy talk is fakable as scum so im gonna wait and see

allison - her entrance post was not AI to me really. it was mostly strategy and i didn’t understand what she was calling epi out for. no other posts yet

soneji - i know i saw a post by him but i dont remember it

dragomir - i don’t really get what’s so scummy about him. his posts are not great optics wise but i didn’t read them and go “omg lock scum.” more just meh than anything

conflicted:

LC - the omgus on dunya felt over the top. also generally his “idc if you suspect me thats cute make me laugh” stuff rubs me wrong. like he is trying too hard to seem like he is above suspicion. idk if this is a personality thing though. and like i could actually see this attitude as being more townish maybe? but i need to see solving

epi - sort of similar to LC. just the “your opinion doesnt matter only nut’s does” rubs me wrong. and i don’t see solving from him either yet. but i like his tone better than LC i think. came off p strong in his response to allison. and also the “i am nut’s one true protector” seems townish i think? gth i would lean epi as town over LC i think. idk i dont feel confident in my read on either tbh

scummish:

rej - idk what it is but his posts feel slimy to me. like his reads kinda just feel fake? seems like he’s trying to look solvy but i don’t feel its organic


its so hard to keep track of everyone when i dont know anyone rip

wait what it’s night already? i thought i had more time so i ate dinner and hung out w my SO in the middle of reading

but yay to being able to talk at night and yay nut \o/

ok time to finish reading