The Syndicate

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:18 pm Dom is an experienced player who knows what to do as scum. He's not going to pick this many fights if he's bad.

The fuck

You pick fights with people you want to day murder as scum. Experienced scum does that plenty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:25 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:18 pm Dom is an experienced player who knows what to do as scum. He's not going to pick this many fights if he's bad.

The fuck

You pick fights with people you want to day murder as scum. Experienced scum does that plenty.

Oh, I guess Dom is mafia then.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:29 am I want @Jackofhearts2005 to post bc i miss him

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:29 am I want @Jackofhearts2005 to post bc i miss him

Missed you too, babe. Been having you in my Warhammer campaign though if you drop by the discord.

You're doing what to me now? What does that even mean?

I'm old.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:50 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:35 am Good morning everyone

For fuck's sake BK, did you rand scum again?

Yeah, he’s with me!

Wacha gonna do about it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:18 pm [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine is mafia

do you think that post I quoted just before was scummy?

He's just mafia.

it was a dom post

Mac does this every game. It does not need to be taken seriously.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:18 pm [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine is mafia

do you think that post I quoted just before was scummy?

He's just mafia.

it was a dom post

Mac does this every game. It does not need to be taken seriously.

and how often is he successful with that?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:54 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:50 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:35 am Good morning everyone

For fuck's sake BK, did you rand scum again?

Yeah, he’s with me!

Wacha gonna do about it?

These kind of jokes never sit well with me.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:29 am I want @Jackofhearts2005 to post bc i miss him

Missed you too, babe. Been having you in my Warhammer campaign though if you drop by the discord.

You're doing what to me now? What does that even mean?

I'm old.

Having you is slang for sex.

Nah, I've been playing Total Warhammer 2 campaigns and keep like a diary of sorts on discord. Since factions end up with a bunch of generals and specialist heroes, to keep track of which one is which, I've been naming them after players on the Cindykate. Currently, you're a river troll teamed up with Mac, Syn, Tutuu and Fatmo to like take over the world.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:54 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:50 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:35 am Good morning everyone

For fuck's sake BK, did you rand scum again?

Yeah, he’s with me!

Wacha gonna do about it?

These kind of jokes never sit well with me.

Which joke?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:07 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:29 am I want @Jackofhearts2005 to post bc i miss him

Missed you too, babe. Been having you in my Warhammer campaign though if you drop by the discord.

You're doing what to me now? What does that even mean?

I'm old.

Having you is slang for sex.

Nah, I've been playing Total Warhammer 2 campaigns and keep like a diary of sorts on discord. Since factions end up with a bunch of generals and specialist heroes, to keep track of which one is which, I've been naming them after players on the Cindykate. Currently, you're a river troll teamed up with Mac, Syn, Tutuu and Fatmo to like take over the world.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:10 pm 3 post from Jack that have Jack & Shit to do with anything in this game, including the theme.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:10 pm r u gonna play the game tho

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:10 pm I hate "I have x town reads" posts because I'm always tempted to sarcastically be like "I too have done work that I will also not show."

But of course, I don't actually have that work and tend to lay out exactly my thoughts without any filter, let alone a strategic one.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:11 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:10 pm 3 post from Jack that have Jack & Shit to do with anything in this game, including the theme.

Fuck super mutants and rad scorpions?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

Why would I be mafia?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:10 pm I hate "I have x town reads" posts because I'm always tempted to sarcastically be like "I too have done work that I will also not show."

But of course, I don't actually have that work and tend to lay out exactly my thoughts without any filter, let alone a strategic one.

Interesting.
So... you reading the thread or nah?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm I continue to not see town SPF. I am continuing to draw out my reasons for suspecting her. I just feel like something isn't right, and I'll try to highlight that is whenever I spot it. Here's one example that stands out as I look back:

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:52 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:37 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:35 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:33 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:32 pm spf the thread is dead an hour and a half in, this isn't the time to play coy.

there's 26 people here - i'm definitely not concerned about the thread being dead. and i feel like being coy right now :P

The fact should make you even more concerned. We have 26 slots to sort, chop chop.

You may be feeling a bit of extra urgency if these phases are shorter than you're used to. This is a relatively slow start, but I'm not concerned about the pace. It's the weekend, we have four active games on this site right now, lots of people just don't seem to be here right now. They'll show up.

I couldn't care less about the people that aren't here. Someone is here and is actively choosing to keep the game slow.

i would argue that my choice to not immediately share my two early townleans is provoking more conversation than it would if i had chosen to share them immediately

i just dont feel a sense of urgency about this game, in all honesty. the majority of people not posting on a sunday does not concern me - there's still a lot of time

On principle I like the "I have x town reads, but I'm not saying who they are" play. I condone and support it. I will never ever suspect spf strictly for doing that.

But I do suspect her for this response when pressured. The point of laying bait like that is to draw out reactions. I do not feel like spf did that adequately. I do not feel like she did it at all, really. As soon as somebody (c4) responded to it, spf's response turned defensive rather than offensive. And this response is primed and ready for an aggressive pushback from a civilian SPF: c4 hurls generic suspicion at her. She can simply ask him why this tactic bothers him. She can ask him to guess the town reads. She can do any number of things to goad this discussion further along a constructive path. Instead she simply defends her choice to introduce her reads the way that she did. There is nothing constructive in that. The play ends there without getting off the ground.

Then in the aftermath she said a few more things related to this episode that did not sit well with me:

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:03 pm two primary reasons:

1. cloaking my townreads in ambiguity almost always gets interesting and telling interactions out of people. in this case, i think that foresight's intense amount of stress that only grew larger as i refused to directly answer his question is likely to come from a town indicative place. his irritation felt completely authentic- i honestly don't think that foresight would care that much at all if he was playing from a scum mindset

2. one of my early townleans was on you, but i felt uncomfortable outing that early into the game for a number of reasons. (partially out of the vanity of not wanting to be wrong). the other was on foresight

I take issue with both points in this post.
1. As I said above, it felt like spf cut off the the flow of potential "interesting and telling interactions" almost immediately. I don't buy that spf was satisfied with the reactions she had gotten to that point as the fruits of her grand experiment. More on this later.
2. She felt uncomfortable outing a town read on me early in the game for a number of reasons. But she is perfectly comfortable doing it here. We've already talked a little about this. I just don't really buy this justification. I don't think spf was the least bit worried about outting a town read on me too early.

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staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

Here's why I struggle to accept that spf was satisfied with the results of her reaction test: the only people who had reacted to it were the two people she claims to have been town-reading in the first place. If I were town and in spf's shoes here, this wouldn't be even a remotely satisfying result. I'd want more people to chime in before I deem the reaction test a success. I would not want to run a reaction test early in the game just for the purpose of solidifying my two early town reads. If I did, I would not be holding it up as a productive experience. I also would not be saying it has resulted in a lot of valuable or productive dialogue if the dialogue was just blanket suspicion against me. That can become valuable dialogue, but you need to work to do something with it. I do not see spf doing that.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm A looooooooooooot of players were around last night when I voted spf.
No one really jumped on to it.

If spf were civ I'd imagine a baddie or two might hop right on.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

Why would I be mafia?

Cuz you received a PM that says "Yo, you Maf this game"

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm I continue to not see town SPF. I am continuing to draw out my reasons for suspecting her. I just feel like something isn't right, and I'll try to highlight that is whenever I spot it. Here's one example that stands out as I look back:

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:52 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:37 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:35 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:33 pm

there's 26 people here - i'm definitely not concerned about the thread being dead. and i feel like being coy right now :P

The fact should make you even more concerned. We have 26 slots to sort, chop chop.

You may be feeling a bit of extra urgency if these phases are shorter than you're used to. This is a relatively slow start, but I'm not concerned about the pace. It's the weekend, we have four active games on this site right now, lots of people just don't seem to be here right now. They'll show up.

I couldn't care less about the people that aren't here. Someone is here and is actively choosing to keep the game slow.

i would argue that my choice to not immediately share my two early townleans is provoking more conversation than it would if i had chosen to share them immediately

i just dont feel a sense of urgency about this game, in all honesty. the majority of people not posting on a sunday does not concern me - there's still a lot of time

On principle I like the "I have x town reads, but I'm not saying who they are" play. I condone and support it. I will never ever suspect spf strictly for doing that.

But I do suspect her for this response when pressured. The point of laying bait like that is to draw out reactions. I do not feel like spf did that adequately. I do not feel like she did it at all, really. As soon as somebody (c4) responded to it, spf's response turned defensive rather than offensive. And this response is primed and ready for an aggressive pushback from a civilian SPF: c4 hurls generic suspicion at her. She can simply ask him why this tactic bothers him. She can ask him to guess the town reads. She can do any number of things to goad this discussion further along a constructive path. Instead she simply defends her choice to introduce her reads the way that she did. There is nothing constructive in that. The play ends there without getting off the ground.

Then in the aftermath she said a few more things related to this episode that did not sit well with me:

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:03 pm two primary reasons:

1. cloaking my townreads in ambiguity almost always gets interesting and telling interactions out of people. in this case, i think that foresight's intense amount of stress that only grew larger as i refused to directly answer his question is likely to come from a town indicative place. his irritation felt completely authentic- i honestly don't think that foresight would care that much at all if he was playing from a scum mindset

2. one of my early townleans was on you, but i felt uncomfortable outing that early into the game for a number of reasons. (partially out of the vanity of not wanting to be wrong). the other was on foresight

I take issue with both points in this post.
1. As I said above, it felt like spf cut off the the flow of potential "interesting and telling interactions" almost immediately. I don't buy that spf was satisfied with the reactions she had gotten to that point as the fruits of her grand experiment. More on this later.
2. She felt uncomfortable outing a town read on me early in the game for a number of reasons. But she is perfectly comfortable doing it here. We've already talked a little about this. I just don't really buy this justification. I don't think spf was the least bit worried about outting a town read on me too early.

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

Here's why I struggle to accept that spf was satisfied with the results of her reaction test: the only people who had reacted to it were the two people she claims to have been town-reading in the first place. If I were town and in spf's shoes here, this wouldn't be even a remotely satisfying result. I'd want more people to chime in before I deem the reaction test a success. I would not want to run a reaction test early in the game just for the purpose of solidifying my two early town reads. If I did, I would not be holding it up as a productive experience. I also would not be saying it has resulted in a lot of valuable or productive dialogue if the dialogue was just blanket suspicion against me. That can become valuable dialogue, but you need to work to do something with it. I do not see spf doing that.

alright well maybe spf is scum

but I'd be sad if she was

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong. He's def not leaving his SPF read alone or moving on to other reads/pushes.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm alright well maybe spf is scum

but I'd be sad if she was

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong. He's def not leaving his SPF read alone or moving on to other reads/pushes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm Here's why I struggle to accept that spf was satisfied with the results of her reaction test: the only people who had reacted to it were the two people she claims to have been town-reading in the first place. If I were town and in spf's shoes here, this wouldn't be even a remotely satisfying result. I'd want more people to chime in before I deem the reaction test a success. I would not want to run a reaction test early in the game just for the purpose of solidifying my two early town reads. If I did, I would not be holding it up as a productive experience. I also would not be saying it has resulted in a lot of valuable or productive dialogue if the dialogue was just blanket suspicion against me. That can become valuable dialogue, but you need to work to do something with it. I do not see spf doing that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:18 pm Wait. I read that as "If spf WEREN'T civ." So I think the opposite of Dom on that hot take.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:20 pm @Sloonei I think your points make sense and I like them

I wanna ask about something else now though which is, I'd rather move on from this at this point (which maybe is a bit selfish because I understand your point and don't need to talk about it more while others might) though, because I think it'd be better in the case spf is town to not push it for the next 28 hours we have, and still useful if she's mafia anyway

This is me saying I think SPF could be mafia but I also want to find her town, and if you wanna do the same our way to do that right now is drop the push until tonight imo

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:21 pm BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:18 pm Wait. I read that as "If spf WEREN'T civ." So I think the opposite of Dom on that hot take.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong. He's def not leaving his SPF read alone or moving on to other reads/pushes.

Got something else you want me to talk about?
Also, what are your thoughts on staypositivefriend and my read on her?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm Here's why I struggle to accept that spf was satisfied with the results of her reaction test: the only people who had reacted to it were the two people she claims to have been town-reading in the first place. If I were town and in spf's shoes here, this wouldn't be even a remotely satisfying result. I'd want more people to chime in before I deem the reaction test a success. I would not want to run a reaction test early in the game just for the purpose of solidifying my two early town reads. If I did, I would not be holding it up as a productive experience. I also would not be saying it has resulted in a lot of valuable or productive dialogue if the dialogue was just blanket suspicion against me. That can become valuable dialogue, but you need to work to do something with it. I do not see spf doing that.

This is all too reachy. I agree the move was dumb and counterproductive, but this is too convoluted to be useful. I can definitely see this coming from town spf with just a mild amount of stubbornness about how she wants to word it. Plus, spf's "I already explained all of this seven times already please" attitude reads as way too real.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:22 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:21 pm BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

Why would I be mafia?

Cuz you received a PM that says "Yo, you Maf this game"

What reasons does falcon45ca have to hypothetically read Sloonei as mafia?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 pm Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong. He's def not leaving his SPF read alone or moving on to other reads/pushes.

Got something else you want me to talk about?
Also, what are your thoughts on staypositivefriend and my read on her?

I think your take on SPF has merit, and I think she's more likely Maf than Town.


I think if YOU were Maf, and she town, you'd be more likely to move on to other reads/pushes. So you've earned a town read from me at this point.