The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:20 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:46 pm anyway, guess i should make some reads

read # 1 - jpic town on toan alone

this one's gonna get people riled up, i can tell

its a right read

the last time u said "this will get ppl riled up" was in goc and u were mafia

i must be openwolfing then

and this post gives me slight vibes of when you made the worst post on me of ALL TIME in a mafia game

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:07 pm and it'd be a bit tough for me to really pinpoint it - tutuu had a post on it that i felt was an ok explanation even though that's not the entire thing. it mostly just seems like he has an idea about the game / is reading it + he has his own thought processes in the back of his mind. i can see the gears spinning when he asks questions, drawing lines, connecting dots etc etc

it feels like he's extremely comfortable too - which is a tough job to pull off in a playerlist like this, you can take a look at his last game for reference where i think the difference is pretty stark.

I'm not seeing JPIC drawing lines and connecting dots between players; he's come off primarily as focused on self defense to my reading, and his lack of contribution to gamesolving has been cited by some as a major reason to scumread him. Can you give me a few examples of where he's done that?

Re: comfort level, wasn't he town in GOC? Why would JPIC suddenly become more comfortable in this playerlist if he was town again?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:11 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:06 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:56 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:40 pm tedextr is a wolf

Is ted even in this game

i thought my avatar would have more of an impact, guess i was wrong

It's driving me mad, I scroll it away as soon as I can.

cmon kakashi

It's that couple of frames of another camera shot. I hate it.

i know another person that hated the transition. i thought of cutting the first few seconds of the second camera shot

something like this

that still has 2 separate camera shots

let me cut it real fast snip snip my scissors are always at hand @Master Radishes

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:14 pm spf i thought we were supposed to be besties

and you talk about me behind my back? not cool.

the best friendships are full of betrayal

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:18 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:24 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:19 pm u have big posts that well are just sloonei big posts. u make them as town. u make them as scum in goc. i dont feel the need to put a lot of effort to try to solve u rn. its more energy efficient to solve the easier-to-solve slots first!

Easier to solve slots, like Alison, Esooa and Nanook?

I don't get this.

i find those slots easier to read generally and also in this instance

This is a weird take to have but I don't think it's AI so meh.

Who's your biggest scumread tutuu?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:23 pm Who's your biggest scumread tutuu?

kza

i thought it was strange that JPIC used the GoC multiple times to defend himself from accusations in this game. i've noticed that scum under pressure have a tendency to engage in that type of repetition, and the "i've done this as town before too!" defense is the type of defense that wolves tend to default to quite a lot

i think the rest of his posts are null

there ya go buddy took me 5 seconds im the GIF MACHiNE

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:26 pm i thought it was strange that JPIC used the GoC multiple times to defend himself from accusations in this game. i've noticed that scum under pressure have a tendency to engage in that type of repetition, and the "i've done this as town before too!" defense is the type of defense that wolves tend to default to quite a lot

i think the rest of his posts are null

It can also come from town who think that the accusation against them is bad because their behavior is genuinely NAI. That's not why I suspect JPIC; I suspect him because of his dimissive laughing emoji to Falcon's early suspicion of him.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:22 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:07 pm and it'd be a bit tough for me to really pinpoint it - tutuu had a post on it that i felt was an ok explanation even though that's not the entire thing. it mostly just seems like he has an idea about the game / is reading it + he has his own thought processes in the back of his mind. i can see the gears spinning when he asks questions, drawing lines, connecting dots etc etc

it feels like he's extremely comfortable too - which is a tough job to pull off in a playerlist like this, you can take a look at his last game for reference where i think the difference is pretty stark.

I'm not seeing JPIC drawing lines and connecting dots between players; he's come off primarily as focused on self defense to my reading, and his lack of contribution to gamesolving has been cited by some as a major reason to scumread him. Can you give me a few examples of where he's done that?

Re: comfort level, wasn't he town in GOC? Why would JPIC suddenly become more comfortable in this playerlist if he was town again?

I am talking about magic the gathering where he was very wolfy (and was a wolf)

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:18 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:56 amJpic maf

No.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:46 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:42 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:36 pm please note that oddmerta does not actually suspect me, he just "wants" me to be mafia.

Maybe I got exactly what I wanted

You got any other reads to go along with this one?

There's the less obvious Long Con and the super obvious JPIC

Why?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:59 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:58 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:51 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:51 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:47 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:45 pm
There's the less obvious Long Con and the super obvious JPIC

These are both reads I have seen others express in the thread. I have some understanding of why JPIC is a suspect for people. I have no understanding of the LC case. Care to enlighten me?

You know more than me.

admittedly I haven't read the last 10 pages but literally, nobody has provided a reason as to why they scum read me when I've queried the read.

The not reading pages part is what gave you away.

It's day 0

Is it Day 0? Man I thought this was Day 7. I retract my scumread because I know how truly unimportant Day 0 is.

Your patronising tone is noted

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:16 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:04 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:02 pm Anyway Sloonei is now lock scum for me, I can feel it in my bones

why

Bone feelings

Is this a substitute for a gut read

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:59 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:05 pm On the one hand odds tone is pretty townie

On the other dismissing d0 reads is scummy

What do

That post from before was pure sarcasm, I'm not dismissing d0 reads. JPIC was

That clearly isn't what I said now was it

i don't believe i need to red colour this all and explain - we can all read

it's pretty thin but it shows a sort of progression on odd at least. i may go further and say this sort of progression is similar to his first game here, the U-Pick Syndicate whatever game when I pushed on him, although that's pushing it and I haven't gotten the proper "training" in order to determine whether i'm applying meta correctly, oh well.

he has a sort of progression on tutuu as well

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:26 pm i thought it was strange that JPIC used the GoC multiple times to defend himself from accusations in this game. i've noticed that scum under pressure have a tendency to engage in that type of repetition, and the "i've done this as town before too!" defense is the type of defense that wolves tend to default to quite a lot

i think the rest of his posts are null

It can also come from town who think that the accusation against them is bad because their behavior is genuinely NAI. That's not why I suspect JPIC; I suspect him because of his dimissive laughing emoji to Falcon's early suspicion of him.

Is brushing someone off AI though?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:23 am How does everyone feel about our Day 0 game state? What are your general vibes, Mafia players of Fargo Mafia?

I'm fairly pessimistic about the way the game has started actually. It was chugging along fine until people started to force content. Now it's just a mess. The Esooa/SPF and Esooa/Jay interactions were awful to slog through and I've only gotten one nugget of information out of it. tutuu's sticking to her usual NAI routine so I can't read her, and my usual daycop checks haven't really shown themselves in the thread.

remember when this routine would earn me lock town status

pepperidge farm remembers

wish we could turn back time

to the good old days

When our momma sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out
Wish we could turn back time
To the good old days
When our momma sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:19 pm

AL_sama wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:17 pm he feels townish but take this with a grain of salt since its hard to use meta on him

why?

if you're asking why I said he feels townish then here's the answer

the way he is approaching thing is the usually the way he takes when he is town

elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:28 pm there ya go buddy took me 5 seconds im the GIF MACHiNE

hmm is that really better though?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:22 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:14 pm spf i thought we were supposed to be besties

and you talk about me behind my back? not cool.

the best friendships are full of betrayal

are you claiming wolf to me bestie

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

That's a bold claim. How do you know it's 100% correct?

[VOTE: spf] aubergine back off pink girl

[VOTE: alison] aubergine watch it

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

That's a bold claim. How do you know it's 100% correct?

cmon wasnt serious, if i were serious it would be bravado, if i was mafia chances are i wouldnt just forget i have TMI and slip 100% knowledge, it would be faking a bravado or being truthful about not being serious, u rly need to ask his question dawg???????

i wanna throw hands too???

hold on - how does nanook of all people have the audacity to throw jabs at me for being a slanker

boy I KNOW you're not talking about ME

AL_sama wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:19 pm

AL_sama wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:17 pm he feels townish but take this with a grain of salt since its hard to use meta on him

why?

if you're asking why I said he feels townish then here's the answer

the way he is approaching thing is the usually the way he takes when he is town

I was asking why you say it’s hard to use meta on him.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:38 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

That's a bold claim. How do you know it's 100% correct?

cmon wasnt serious, if i were serious it would be bravado, if i was mafia chances are i wouldnt just forget i have TMI and slip 100% knowledge, it would be faking a bravado or being truthful about not being serious, u rly need to ask his question dawg???????

i wanna throw hands too???

epic tmi slip recovery

wait wrong gif

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

Last night you were giving a scum read on JPIC for low post volume, and now you're saying you're 100% sure he's town. Care to elaborate?

Wait, nvm, you just did a few posts up. I need to refresh the page more often.

read #2 - strawhenge is a villager

(mostly agreeing with what jay had to say)

stop me before i surpass my read quota, we don't want that to happen

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:40 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

Last night you were giving a scum read on JPIC for low post volume, and now you're saying you're 100% sure he's town. Care to elaborate?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:23 pm jpic is town, he's angry that he's getting scumread rn and he's trying to hold it back from showing

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:40 pm Wait, nvm, you just did a few posts up. I need to refresh the page more often.

all good fam-o

we chillin man we groovin we ridin this bitch we aint got no beef

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:18 pm that'd produce the lamest gif in history though

...

...are you designating the longer shot with the spin in it as the second one?

you guys aren't ready for tutuu's face reveal

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:44 pm you guys aren't ready for tutuu's face reveal

Spoiler: show

<3

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU MOTHER FUCKER

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:44 pm you guys aren't ready for tutuu's face reveal

Spoiler: show

<3

i should've said this is tutuu reading the thread

missed opportunity

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:28 pm

there ya go buddy took me 5 seconds im the GIF MACHiNE

Yessss!

We got a number one victory royale
Yeah, Fortnite, we 'bout to get down (Get down)
Ten kills on the board right now
Just wiped out Tomato Town
My friend just got downed
I revived him, now we're heading south-bound
Now we're in the Pleasant Park streets
Look at the map, go to the marked sheet

alright, f it, doing it for LC

i'll see if it grows on me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:31 pm it's pretty thin but it shows a sort of progression on odd at least. i may go further and say this sort of progression is similar to his first game here, the U-Pick Syndicate whatever game when I pushed on him, although that's pushing it and I haven't gotten the proper "training" in order to determine whether i'm applying meta correctly, oh well.

he has a sort of progression on tutuu as well

I think it's pushing it to call it a progression on Odd. He's clearly questioning/disagreeing with Odd's posts, but it's in the context of self-defense. He's not reaching out to try to read Odd based on Odd's interaction with someone else, but directly refuting/undermining Odd's attempt to paint him as mafia. It's certainly not something that allows me to shake off the notion that JPIC doesn't have an interest in examining the players in the game and their alignments outside of the context of them attacking him. In other words, if Odd hadn't been scumreading JPIC and had continued attacking Sloonei, would JPIC have been interested in Odd's posts at all? I'm not convinced he would.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:46 pm We got a number one victory royale
Yeah, Fortnite, we 'bout to get down (Get down)
Ten kills on the board right now
Just wiped out Tomato Town
My friend just got downed
I revived him, now we're heading south-bound
Now we're in the Pleasant Park streets
Look at the map, go to the marked sheet

you can take me moisty mire, but not loot lake

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:23 am How does everyone feel about our Day 0 game state? What are your general vibes, Mafia players of Fargo Mafia?

I'm fairly pessimistic about the way the game has started actually. It was chugging along fine until people started to force content. Now it's just a mess. The Esooa/SPF and Esooa/Jay interactions were awful to slog through and I've only gotten one nugget of information out of it. tutuu's sticking to her usual NAI routine so I can't read her, and my usual daycop checks haven't really shown themselves in the thread.

remember when this routine would earn me lock town status

pepperidge farm remembers

wish we could turn back time

to the good old days

When our momma sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out
Wish we could turn back time
To the good old days
When our momma sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out

Yeah but then you did it as scum so it's NAI now.

maybe al sama is maf coz he apologized twice to me for confusing me with poison chan which is one more time than i would have done

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:47 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:46 pm We got a number one victory royale
Yeah, Fortnite, we 'bout to get down (Get down)
Ten kills on the board right now
Just wiped out Tomato Town
My friend just got downed
I revived him, now we're heading south-bound
Now we're in the Pleasant Park streets
Look at the map, go to the marked sheet

you can take me moisty mire, but not loot lake

I really love to chug jug with you

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

Why not wolf rage? The last game I played on the Syndicate had a wolf who was seriously upset/raging that they were being suspected.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:38 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

That's a bold claim. How do you know it's 100% correct?

cmon wasnt serious, if i were serious it would be bravado, if i was mafia chances are i wouldnt just forget i have TMI and slip 100% knowledge, it would be faking a bravado or being truthful about not being serious, u rly need to ask his question dawg???????

i wanna throw hands too???

scummy overreaction

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:48 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

Why not wolf rage? The last game I played on the Syndicate had a wolf who was seriously upset/raging that they were being suspected.

tru - i was baffled quin was mafia - but i think some people just never genuinely feel angry as wolf (im one of them)

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:49 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:38 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:33 pm elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

That's a bold claim. How do you know it's 100% correct?

cmon wasnt serious, if i were serious it would be bravado, if i was mafia chances are i wouldnt just forget i have TMI and slip 100% knowledge, it would be faking a bravado or being truthful about not being serious, u rly need to ask his question dawg???????

i wanna throw hands too???

scummy overreaction

it wasnt an overreaction it was being silly

(me not him)