The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:13 pm Idk, I'm in a weird mood today.

It's really been the past couple of weeks to be honest.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:12 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:47 pm [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine

why

I'm opportunistically vote hopping.

I thought about it and decided that it isn't just opportunistic vote hopping. I think HK has been trying to pocket me. Vote is serious.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:47 pm [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine

Can you articulate your reason here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:47 pm [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine

Can you articulate your reason here?

You're like 5 minutes late. Once you read the post before yours, let me know if you still have any questions.

Yeah ok sorry.

I have had some concerns about HK.

seanzie, why would I bother pocketing you?
You don't have thread presence, you aren't widely town read, and you're not making pushes that anyone jibes with.

If I'm wolfing here the best strategy is just ignore you.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:07 pm seanzie, why would I bother pocketing you?
You don't have thread presence, you aren't widely town read, and you're not making pushes that anyone jibes with.

If I'm wolfing here the best strategy is just ignore you.

Why wouldn't you pocket me? When I want to be, I'm pretty darn good at this game, and we have enough positive history together that makes me a good pick for you to try to pocket.

I don't think your pocket is an attempt to get me to do something specific today, but an attempt to be in my good books moving forward/to tie us together. I won't be the TK, and considering how I'm playing I also won't be the NK (unless scum figures out I'm a JOAT), so I'll be here tomorrow. I'm not going to meh out all game, and I don't think you knew I was going to meh out today when you started trying to pocket me (which was much earlier than I think you'd be willing to voice a reasonable townread on me since you know I'm a decent wolf as we've won as wolves together, and I had you tricked (at times) in Pixar).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:15 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:07 pm seanzie, why would I bother pocketing you?
You don't have thread presence, you aren't widely town read, and you're not making pushes that anyone jibes with.

If I'm wolfing here the best strategy is just ignore you.

Why wouldn't you pocket me? When I want to be, I'm pretty darn good at this game, and we have enough positive history together that makes me a good pick for you to try to pocket.

I don't think your pocket is an attempt to get me to do something specific today, but an attempt to be in my good books moving forward/to tie us together. I won't be the TK, and considering how I'm playing I also won't be the NK (unless scum figures out I'm a JOAT), so I'll be here tomorrow. I'm not going to meh out all game, and I don't think you knew I was going to meh out today when you started trying to pocket me (which was much earlier than I think you'd be willing to voice a reasonable townread on me since you know I'm a decent wolf as we've won as wolves together, and I had you tricked (at times) in Pixar).

I first articulated you as a town read via saying I'd defend you, michelle, and falcon today. Then I questioned you on whether or not you thought Falcon was trying to pocket Alison (which I don't think you ever actually answered despite someone else, snicks maybe, asking me about it then you jumped in), then solidified my town read of you with the way you were handling Michelle pressing you for reasons for your reads.

It's interesting that you'd call that a pocket attempt. I'm not sheeping you, I'm not articulating the same reads as you are, and I'm not interested in pushing the people you're pushing. So really you saying I'm going for a pocket here has to be entirely off of my town read of you, which if that's the case why?

Why wouldn't I just continue to let you do your own thing? If you're pushing townies and I'm a wolf then great, you're advancing my win condition and I don't want that to change.
If you're pushing a wolf mate of mine I'm gonna let you do that as well, especially if I think I can get some credit off of it.

me going for a pocket on you is an incredibly reachy read and if you held a gun to my head I'd wonder if you were trying to be opportunistic because of whom else is suspecting me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:08 pm Thats what the frankly alarming amounts of dayquil and cough drops are for

Some of us are just trying to ease the come down bro, don't judge me and my abuse of OTC's

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:54 pm Yeah ok sorry.

I have had some concerns about HK.

Speak to me

Since no one is pressuring Falcon with me:
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Because weird push on me and honestly best counterwagon.

HK's irritability feels v to me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm Since no one is pressuring Falcon with me:
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Because weird push on me and honestly best counterwagon.

HK's irritability feels v to me.

Nice no u
“Best counterwagon”

That counterwagon’s a lemon and won’t drive you up the hill my man.

I’d hazard a guess that at least 2-3 mafia are in the low posters. Just enough to skate by.
Listo? Lomo? Triple? Even nook. Even if hollowkatt, one of the other wagons, is a wolf, he’s at least put forth a ton of content.

I know quantity of content = / = town, but it gives town more ammo to use down the line.

Someone like listo? Gonna have to figure that one out later when they’re a big ole question mark.

Why not move to, like, them today? Can anyone refute this argument? Or at least give me reasons not to go that route?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:06 pm I’d hazard a guess that at least 2-3 mafia are in the low posters. Just enough to skate by.
Listo? Lomo? Triple? Even nook. Even if hollowkatt, one of the other wagons, is a wolf, he’s at least put forth a ton of content.

I know quantity of content = / = town, but it gives town more ammo to use down the line.

Someone like listo? Gonna have to figure that one out later when they’re a big ole question mark.

Why not move to, like, them today? Can anyone refute this argument? Or at least give me reasons not to go that route?

EBWOP: if HK is NOT a wolf, why lose a potential town voice?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:12 pm 1. @lost monkey ISO - lean wolf
2. @MacDougall ISO - strong wolf
3. @falcon45ca ISO - lean town
4. @hollowkatt ISO - lean town
5. @Lime Coke ISO - lean town
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - lean town
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - lean town
8. @Alison ISO - strong town
9. @Michelle ISO - strong town
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - lean wolf
11. @TripleHaven ISO - lean town
12. @Dolby ISO - lean wolf
13. @Scotty ISO - lean wolf
14. @Garden Gnome ISO - lean wolf
15. @honey ISO - lean town
16. @Creature ISO - lean town
17. @Seanzie ISO - strong town
18. @listo95 ISO - lean town
19. @mansnicks ISO - lean town
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - lean town
21. @osieorb18 ISO - strong town

Did you actually wolf read yourself here or is it a joke???

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:06 pm I’d hazard a guess that at least 2-3 mafia are in the low posters. Just enough to skate by.
Listo? Lomo? Triple? Even nook. Even if hollowkatt, one of the other wagons, is a wolf, he’s at least put forth a ton of content.

I know quantity of content = / = town, but it gives town more ammo to use down the line.

Someone like listo? Gonna have to figure that one out later when they’re a big ole question mark.

Why not move to, like, them today? Can anyone refute this argument? Or at least give me reasons not to go that route?

So where was this argument before you became a viable counterwagon to me/HK?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:06 pm I’d hazard a guess that at least 2-3 mafia are in the low posters. Just enough to skate by.
Listo? Lomo? Triple? Even nook. Even if hollowkatt, one of the other wagons, is a wolf, he’s at least put forth a ton of content.

I know quantity of content = / = town, but it gives town more ammo to use down the line.

Someone like listo? Gonna have to figure that one out later when they’re a big ole question mark.

Why not move to, like, them today? Can anyone refute this argument? Or at least give me reasons not to go that route?

So where was this argument before you became a viable counterwagon to me/HK?

I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:19 pm im also not convinced of lime!scum

I think the thread is dominated by mostly town right now which incrimidates lowposters but, we'll see

This is an agreeable statement.

I don’t know how TripleSec usually operates on D1, but I was initially pinged by the overall townreading. But I do agree with this take, so ima give him the benefit of the doubt

That isn’t to say that all of the low posters are bad.

Hence why I still have my pretty little vote with a bow on Ender, who has given me no good reason to move it

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 pm
I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

You're now tied first. I made shit all up with regards to you being a viable counterwagon. The fact that you're acting like those three votes on you mean nothing is exactly why I'm really wondering.

And I hate "Kill the low posters" as an assessment.

Many low posters (Creature notably) resolve themselves when given time.

Other low posters can be good targets for anyone on town with a kill or investigative power.

Town wins by creating and utilizing information in thread. By going after the low posters you're providing scum with an easy vote that has low impact, and not only that, they can easily push towards town in the low posters with little accountability and no way for anyone to call them on picking that person. It's bad or worse, take your pick.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:27 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm change my mind lomo is town

Why?

I read his iso. He has good and thoughtful posts.

Really? I got very little from their ISO outside of a bit of a scumlean between the low content and the fact that everything looks like an attempt to make a hot take without necessarily engaging.

I saw no opinions that were jarringly bad nor did I see any awkwardness.

So what did you see that was "good and thoughtful" in his posts?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm Since no one is pressuring Falcon with me:
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Because weird push on me and honestly best counterwagon.

HK's irritability feels v to me.

Do you think I'm the type of player who responds to vote pressure? Were you voting me just to get pressure reactions, or do you think I'm scum?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 pm
I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

You're now tied first. I made shit all up with regards to you being a viable counterwagon. The fact that you're acting like those three votes on you mean nothing is exactly why I'm really wondering.

And I hate "Kill the low posters" as an assessment.

Many low posters (Creature notably) resolve themselves when given time.

Other low posters can be good targets for anyone on town with a kill or investigative power.

Town wins by creating and utilizing information in thread. By going after the low posters you're providing scum with an easy vote that has low impact, and not only that, they can easily push towards town in the low posters with little accountability and no way for anyone to call them on picking that person. It's bad or worse, take your pick.

Are you of the opinion that there aren't wolves in the low posters?


Given that we're playing a JOAT game, seems like a VK in the low posters isn't out of the question. Any that you'd kill if you had a vigilante kill?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 pm
I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

You're now tied first. I made shit all up with regards to you being a viable counterwagon. The fact that you're acting like those three votes on you mean nothing is exactly why I'm really wondering.

And I hate "Kill the low posters" as an assessment.

Many low posters (Creature notably) resolve themselves when given time.

Other low posters can be good targets for anyone on town with a kill or investigative power.

Town wins by creating and utilizing information in thread. By going after the low posters you're providing scum with an easy vote that has low impact, and not only that, they can easily push towards town in the low posters with little accountability and no way for anyone to call them on picking that person. It's bad or worse, take your pick.

Voting low posters is like making a random vote, especially on day one. Unfortunately, that sort of attitude (kill low posters) is a very common attitude in mafia games.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:27 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm change my mind lomo is town

Why?

I read his iso. He has good and thoughtful posts.

Really? I got very little from their ISO outside of a bit of a scumlean between the low content and the fact that everything looks like an attempt to make a hot take without necessarily engaging.

I saw no opinions that were jarringly bad nor did I see any awkwardness.

So what did you see that was "good and thoughtful" in his posts?

the part where he made reads at all

If I have to shoot between my boys Ender and HK I have to shoot Ender

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:08 am If I have to shoot between my boys Ender and HK I have to shoot Ender

What about Scotty also on 3 votes?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:10 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:08 am If I have to shoot between my boys Ender and HK I have to shoot Ender

What about Scotty also on 3 votes?

I’d probably vote him without reading his ISO

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Has Mansnicks posted about me outside the first 200 posts at all?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 pm
I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

You're now tied first. I made shit all up with regards to you being a viable counterwagon. The fact that you're acting like those three votes on you mean nothing is exactly why I'm really wondering.

And I hate "Kill the low posters" as an assessment.

Many low posters (Creature notably) resolve themselves when given time.

Other low posters can be good targets for anyone on town with a kill or investigative power.

Town wins by creating and utilizing information in thread. By going after the low posters you're providing scum with an easy vote that has low impact, and not only that, they can easily push towards town in the low posters with little accountability and no way for anyone to call them on picking that person. It's bad or worse, take your pick.

Voting low posters is like making a random vote, especially on day one. Unfortunately, that sort of attitude (kill low posters) is a very common attitude in mafia games.

Tis unfortunate

Ender give me a quick leans list pls. I haven’t caught up yet and want to vibe

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:26 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm Since no one is pressuring Falcon with me:
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Because weird push on me and honestly best counterwagon.

HK's irritability feels v to me.

Do you think I'm the type of player who responds to vote pressure? Were you voting me just to get pressure reactions, or do you think I'm scum?

Kinda scum.

It's weaker though.

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:17 am Ender give me a quick leans list pls. I haven’t caught up yet and want to vibe

Towny:
Lime Coke
Honey
Garden Gnome

Lightly towny:
HK
Dolby
osieorb
Flea
Seanzie

Deep Wolves: (Kinda towny but they have good earlygames as wolves)
Alison
Mac

IDK pile:
Creature
Nanook
LoMo
TripleHaven
TSP

Lightly scummy:
Michelle
listo95

Scummier:
Falcon
Mansnicks
Scotty
EnderWiggin

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 pm
I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

You're now tied first. I made shit all up with regards to you being a viable counterwagon. The fact that you're acting like those three votes on you mean nothing is exactly why I'm really wondering.

And I hate "Kill the low posters" as an assessment.

Many low posters (Creature notably) resolve themselves when given time.

Other low posters can be good targets for anyone on town with a kill or investigative power.

Town wins by creating and utilizing information in thread. By going after the low posters you're providing scum with an easy vote that has low impact, and not only that, they can easily push towards town in the low posters with little accountability and no way for anyone to call them on picking that person. It's bad or worse, take your pick.

Are you of the opinion that there aren't wolves in the low posters?


Given that we're playing a JOAT game, seems like a VK in the low posters isn't out of the question. Any that you'd kill if you had a vigilante kill?

Wolves might be in the low posters. But if we go after low posters it gives low content vote-counts and we can't analyse it later.

As for targets, I'd be okay with any of the low posters tbh. Though I have ascummy-ish thought on listo

And you would be completely wrong @EnderWiggin.

I'm extremely used to D1 being for pure fluff and then the fact that I do better with vote records and flips makes D1 kind of horrible for me. Also the fact I can pretty much never defend myself so woo!

listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:33 am And you would be completely wrong @EnderWiggin.

I'm extremely used to D1 being for pure fluff and then the fact that I do better with vote records and flips makes D1 kind of horrible for me. Also the fact I can pretty much never defend myself so woo!

See it's posts like this where the person suddenly pops up as soon as I mention their name that make me scumread them more lmao.

Don't worry, looks like you're surviving past D1. If you don't get offed you'll have the chance to show off the following days.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:35 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:33 am And you would be completely wrong @EnderWiggin.

I'm extremely used to D1 being for pure fluff and then the fact that I do better with vote records and flips makes D1 kind of horrible for me. Also the fact I can pretty much never defend myself so woo!

See it's posts like this where the person suddenly pops up as soon as I mention their name that make me scumread them more lmao.

Don't worry, looks like you're surviving past D1. If you don't get offed you'll have the chance to show off the following days.

I literally just got home from work -.-

I am also known to do that as any alignment lol. If there were more people who have played multiple games with me they would be able to confirm it.

listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:35 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:33 am And you would be completely wrong @EnderWiggin.

I'm extremely used to D1 being for pure fluff and then the fact that I do better with vote records and flips makes D1 kind of horrible for me. Also the fact I can pretty much never defend myself so woo!

See it's posts like this where the person suddenly pops up as soon as I mention their name that make me scumread them more lmao.

Don't worry, looks like you're surviving past D1. If you don't get offed you'll have the chance to show off the following days.

I literally just got home from work -.-

Well you have bad timing for my scumdar then =P

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:12 pm 1. @lost monkey ISO - lean wolf
2. @MacDougall ISO - strong wolf
3. @falcon45ca ISO - lean town
4. @hollowkatt ISO - lean town
5. @Lime Coke ISO - lean town
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - lean town
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - lean town
8. @Alison ISO - strong town
9. @Michelle ISO - strong town
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - lean wolf
11. @TripleHaven ISO - lean town
12. @Dolby ISO - lean wolf
13. @Scotty ISO - lean wolf
14. @Garden Gnome ISO - lean wolf
15. @honey ISO - lean town
16. @Creature ISO - lean town
17. @Seanzie ISO - strong town
18. @listo95 ISO - lean town
19. @mansnicks ISO - lean town
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - lean town
21. @osieorb18 ISO - strong town

Did you actually wolf read yourself here or is it a joke???

Nothing says contrived reads like..

So i just realized eod is at 8am my time and I probably wont be awake and I’m also getting ready for bed now but I’ll try to hit postcap in the next 5 mins

I do it for the fans

honey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:08 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:12 pm 1. @lost monkey ISO - lean wolf
2. @MacDougall ISO - strong wolf
3. @falcon45ca ISO - lean town
4. @hollowkatt ISO - lean town
5. @Lime Coke ISO - lean town
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - lean town
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - lean town
8. @Alison ISO - strong town
9. @Michelle ISO - strong town
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - lean wolf
11. @TripleHaven ISO - lean town
12. @Dolby ISO - lean wolf
13. @Scotty ISO - lean wolf
14. @Garden Gnome ISO - lean wolf
15. @honey ISO - lean town
16. @Creature ISO - lean town
17. @Seanzie ISO - strong town
18. @listo95 ISO - lean town
19. @mansnicks ISO - lean town
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - lean town
21. @osieorb18 ISO - strong town

Did you actually wolf read yourself here or is it a joke???

Nothing says contrived reads like..

I'm proud of Mac for finaly doing what he said he'd do and putting himself as strongest wolf on a reads list.

Ok i havent done mg due diligence but i dont love these wagons like w hk i saw him defending himself and it seemed ok and i was hoping to get time to figure him out

I feel like mansnicks has had the most off day for me for viable targets @mansnicks gna @ u if u wanna defend urself and towntell lmk

[VOTE: mansnicks] aubergine

ender and scotty dont want me dead so i dont want them dead d1 havent figured out their alignment yet tho

Voted myself for the night save because im definitely more of a threat to mafia than alison if shes town has been today and i dont wanna die

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:31 pm I change my mind I think Honey is a wolf

You and I are really not vibing this game.

There are too many Honey simps but she's probably town.

I would disagree i dont think there are nearly enough 0= )

I simp back too ^__~

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:25 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:18 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:16 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:08 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm At the moment, falcon is my strongest scumread but none of my townreads are voting there and some even townread them so I'm hesitant on that front.

This was my exactly the same thing i said in the thread when me and falcon were scum lol. Since i dont know you i am not voting, ill be keeping my eye on you.

That's NAI for Osie, but that's all i can tell with so little content from him

Is he the only one you'll keep an eye on?

For now, yeah. No one's post has pinged me more than that one.

Now this is odd tbh

It is what it is.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:31 pm I change my mind I think Honey is a wolf

You and I are really not vibing this game.

There are too many Honey simps but she's probably town.

Yes we aren't.

But I am town reading honey. That was a momentary flicker of irritation that inspired me to make a probably bad read.

Hmm i dont normally get irritating? Usually it’s charming, clever, and friendly so yeah its probably a u thing