The Syndicate

Lol, thanks, again I'm sorry for asking that question and over and over, but you finally gave me the answer I was looking for.

I'm quite sure once I read wigly's iso, he will be null pushing towards wolfy, but that was never the point of my question.

Don't get me wrong I am not against killing low posters on day 1, I just don't think your push Matches your read on him. We will see tho

Like your push to me feels like you are either pushing a buddy, pushing a "possible" lhf, or in town worlds just trying to kill someone you don't think is townie enough.

Alison seems to think you wouldn't tussle with her if you are a wolf, do you agree with that read?

@Luckbox Inc

I'm sorry everyone I had to go out and grab something from the store.

I'll start reading through now.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:51 pm Lol, thanks, again I'm sorry for asking that question and over and over, but you finally gave me the answer I was looking for.

I'm quite sure once I read wigly's iso, he will be null pushing towards wolfy, but that was never the point of my question.

Don't get me wrong I am not against killing low posters on day 1, I just don't think your push Matches your read on him. We will see tho

I'm clearing you now pretty much for this post so I hope I'm not wrong

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:52 pm Like your push to me feels like you are either pushing a buddy, pushing a "possible" lhf, or in town worlds just trying to kill someone you don't think is townie enough.

Alison seems to think you wouldn't tussle with her if you are a wolf, do you agree with that read?

@Luckbox Inc

I don't even know if I did "tussle" with Alison-- but Alison pushes me early in every game I've ever played with her, and I would hope that as a wolf I would be prepared for that.

@tessepia

I just woke up to 11 pings.

Alright. I get it. People want my attention.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:01 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:43 am People have about 20 minutes before my migraine meds knock me on my bed to sweet release if they wanna ask me something.

Woah ok. Can you talk about Gira and Willgy please?

Gira seems like entitled town.

Wilgy seems solving so far.

Both are weak townreads.

Also you missed me by like 2 minutes lmao.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:02 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:57 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:55 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:46 am its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

He is doing contrary things.

Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.

There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v

His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.

is the thread direction set, to even argue, "contrary things" though?
(the picking gaviel to sheep, seeing gaviel is voting himself, and then voting there, is definitely something, that's for sure)
what do you mean by diplomatic?
I can agree with 3, just not the rand!v part

Contrary things don't require cohesive threadstate wut.

And diplomatic is exactly that. He plays calm and doesn't throw wrenches like the Gav vote shenanigans.

to each their own I guess
I will continue to see how he plays

That's absolutely acceptable. Just because I have a read on him doesn't necessitate you having a read as well.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:58 am I feel like half of Alison's POE is town by my readings but half I agree with so idk where to put her but hey I'm not gonna complain just yet.

Who is town in my POE?

Gira and Luck.

I've already expressed I find Luck more towards towny.

Gira just feels entitled town style. I don't see the scummy part you're reading tbh.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:12 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:37 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far

Also now I'm not rhyming, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier.

I expressed that I thought Nanook was townier. This is my process as I try to sort the game. Could I be wrong? Sure, but my experience tends towards that.

You post this, as if me townreading Nanook was not allowed or offensive. Discrediting or trying to nullify reads in earlygame.

Could it be personality clash, sure, but tell me:
Why do you need to point out how you disagree with every lean that crosses your desk?

How dare you drop those amazing Poets!

People were getting annoyed. And I honestly like Mafia to be a fun game. Which is why I was being a poet in the first place.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:35 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am The only reason that dissonance exists is because you and ender are playing in a way that makes this game unfun for me to interact with, so my posts are being less about solving and more about being oetty

Meh. If my poetry made it unfun, sorry. Not intended. Was trying to be quirky and fun since my brain otherwise isn't co-operating.

I'll drop it then.

I should vote you for buckling to peer pressure

Eh. Do it.

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay

so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read

Lmao.

Nanook has expressed in previous games that Gavial's constant requests for people to sheep him are bad for town.

His intentional "LET'S SHEEP GAV" feels like petty Nanook being Petty.

Which is unironically rand!v for him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:00 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:46 am its definitely a meta clash, but in terms of Nanook
I dont see what you are saying when you say, "He is doing things"

He is doing contrary things.

Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.

There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v

His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.

What is Nanook doing that is contrary?


His ISO is extremely limited, and like half if it is about sheeping Gav



@Alison What do you like about Ender's read on Nanook?

See response to Gira.

It's not a strong read and I reserve the right to change it based on further evidence.

But it is a read.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:35 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am The only reason that dissonance exists is because you and ender are playing in a way that makes this game unfun for me to interact with, so my posts are being less about solving and more about being oetty

Meh. If my poetry made it unfun, sorry. Not intended. Was trying to be quirky and fun since my brain otherwise isn't co-operating.

I'll drop it then.

I haven't read your poem posts tbh tbh.
I don't have the energy.

So I'm glad you're dropping it =p

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:43 pm Villagers
Alison
Dizzy
Gavial
Gira
Falcon

Probably villagers
Ender
Wisp
Nanook

Probably wolves
Wilgy

Problem is that everyone else is just LHF or Tess. And I really doubt that the wolf team is Tess/Mizery/Wilgy. So I'm misclearing people

I think you're townreading some scum.

It's me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:50 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:48 am Luck is town, I do declare,
Unless he's playing odd for me,
He is acting au contraire,
Unless w/w with Wilgy

What of his meta?
Can you describe this to me?
Refrigerator.

Luckbox rands wolf.

His partner posts in thread.

Luckbox, talking to his partner in thread: "Are you a wolf?"

That's an exaggeration but it's funny to me so I'm gonna keep it.

Is tessepia just playing this game as a roleplay factor?
If I remember correctly their only post was a full on story dialogue and I haven’t seen anything else from them all game.

Wouldn’t mind getting some more story from them, it’s better then them being inactive.
Kinda like when Lime Coke I think it was and Falcon during last game.
But like you are, much much worse.

Given I'm the only one in this game who is hyper aware of Luck's heavy bussing meta I feel like he'd not comment on it and either kill me off or discredit me so he doesn't have to worry about it.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:26 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:43 pm Villagers
Alison
Dizzy
Gavial
Gira
Falcon

Probably villagers
Ender
Wisp
Nanook

Probably wolves
Wilgy

Problem is that everyone else is just LHF or Tess. And I really doubt that the wolf team is Tess/Mizery/Wilgy. So I'm misclearing people

I think you're townreading some scum.

It's me.

But they aren’t town reading you.
They are town leaning you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:58 pm I don't feel like I have that person to bounce off of. @Gira Can you be that person? I don't know what I think about most things.

Also @EnderWiggin

If you're still around @Dyslexicon

I like to bounce.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:58 pm I don't feel like I have that person to bounce off of. @Gira Can you be that person? I don't know what I think about most things.

Also @EnderWiggin

If you're still around @Dyslexicon

I like to bounce.

He also wants that date.
Better bring a blanket and a candle!

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:28 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:26 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:43 pm Villagers
Alison
Dizzy
Gavial
Gira
Falcon

Probably villagers
Ender
Wisp
Nanook

Probably wolves
Wilgy

Problem is that everyone else is just LHF or Tess. And I really doubt that the wolf team is Tess/Mizery/Wilgy. So I'm misclearing people

I think you're townreading some scum.

It's me.

But they aren’t town reading you.
They are town leaning you.

While you're right, I can argue the two statements could be meant independantly.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:53 pm @EnderWiggin
What's your read on lucky?

He's acting in a town-style fashion.

Look at his scarf. And his hat. And his sweet mustache.

That's such a town fashion.

(He's more mellow then traditionally during scum games, and unless w/w with Wilgy or anti-meta playing he's town. There's also a general "solving" that I like so far from his process.)

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:30 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:58 pm I don't feel like I have that person to bounce off of. @Gira Can you be that person? I don't know what I think about most things.

Also @EnderWiggin

If you're still around @Dyslexicon

I like to bounce.

He also wants that date.
Better bring a blanket and a candle!

BECAUSE THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET HOT IN HERE!

Gav, you need to calm down.

Candles aren't hot.

There's a bunch of other posts but I can't be bothered catching up properly just yet.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:32 pm Gav, you need to calm down.

Candles aren't hot.

Put your finger on it.
I dare you!

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:33 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:32 pm Gav, you need to calm down.

Candles aren't hot.

Put your finger on it.
I dare you!

I've actually done that before. You can do it without getting burnt if you know how.

As long as you don't accidentally touch the wick that is.

@EnderWiggin
is Luck wolf, really that obvious?

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:40 pm @EnderWiggin
is Luck wolf, really that obvious?

Not super obvious no.

But there are tendencies that show up in his wolf game that he isn't showing here "yet".

I have to put a yet there since this is like, halfway through D1.

And making a "HE DEFINITELY DOES THIS AS WOLF" read on halfway D1 is bad because some habits don't come out that quickly.

But I just flipped him D2 as wolf and I'm ready to do it again if he is wolf.

im gunna put a disclaimer on this post, you can call this shade, I don't think it is, but im putting that there anyways
nor is it shade on Luck, or this site
Alison can call this more AtE if she sees fit

I think your handling of my slot is nitpicky, idk what that says about your alignment yet
because one, if you actually read Luck's post, your arguement for why am a wolf, is literally embodied in their push of Dr. Wigly, and even of their shutdown of Alison town leans
so you can either admit that you are handling me different because I am not a regular, that the read doesn't make someone a wolf, or you can admit your push on me is disingenuous
other than that, I think we are done here

but anyways, if that is your read
Idk why this simply can't be, "Luck doesn't have a valid reason to push Dr. Wigly, and Wigly alignment plays no part in this"
Honestly if Luck had just admitted they wanted to kill people not playing the game, that would have been better than w/e they were trying to make up for pushing Wigly
I am glad they finally admitted it, but it does not change my read on them

now rant over, im going to "probably" finish the last Evangelion Movie 3.0 + 1.0, and then give reads on whoever I can, if my a.d.d allows me to

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:40 pm @EnderWiggin
is Luck wolf, really that obvious?

Not on day 1. Day 2 probably if people know me.

and actually, you asking me for leans as early as you did, is definitely more based on personality, and playstyle, rather than anything else
because it was very clear that the people throwing up those towncores, regardless of their alignments, have meta to go off of

people like Gaviel, are going to spitball reads regardless

and I am not

ALison doesn't even know what she is doing honestly, she is hard tunneling a townie
arguing all these black and white meaningless scum tells, not taking into account my playstyle
called someone an obvious wolf, redacted it, called me out for timing a town or buddy, because I argued against their obvious wolf lean, which is so damn silly, which is even more hilarious when I actively said I didn't like Gira's entrance.

Nanook is sheeping a double edged player, while taking the biggest back seat to my alignment

until I go through the rest of the game you will still get that I like Gaviel, and that Falcon is probably town, because I think his posts are more aligned with bad town, than malicious wolf

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay

so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read

Lmao.

Nanook has expressed in previous games that Gavial's constant requests for people to sheep him are bad for town.

His intentional "LET'S SHEEP GAV" feels like petty Nanook being Petty.

Which is unironically rand!v for him.

I'm not being petty i genuinely want to see what happens

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:28 pm Given I'm the only one in this game who is hyper aware of Luck's heavy bussing meta I feel like he'd not comment on it and either kill me off or discredit me so he doesn't have to worry about it.

I am intimately familiar with his inability to not buss partners

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay

so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read

Lmao.

Nanook has expressed in previous games that Gavial's constant requests for people to sheep him are bad for town.

His intentional "LET'S SHEEP GAV" feels like petty Nanook being Petty.

Which is unironically rand!v for him.

see, i lacked the context at the time i made that post, although now i get it

i'm still not sure that translates to being towny


and i'm not sure it lines up with your original reasoning

but meh

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:56 pm im gunna put a disclaimer on this post, you can call this shade, I don't think it is, but im putting that there anyways
nor is it shade on Luck, or this site
Alison can call this more AtE if she sees fit

I think your handling of my slot is nitpicky, idk what that says about your alignment yet
because one, if you actually read Luck's post, your arguement for why am a wolf, is literally embodied in their push of Dr. Wigly, and even of their shutdown of Alison town leans
so you can either admit that you are handling me different because I am not a regular, that the read doesn't make someone a wolf, or you can admit your push on me is disingenuous
other than that, I think we are done here

but anyways, if that is your read
Idk why this simply can't be, "Luck doesn't have a valid reason to push Dr. Wigly, and Wigly alignment plays no part in this"
Honestly if Luck had just admitted they wanted to kill people not playing the game, that would have been better than w/e they were trying to make up for pushing Wigly
I am glad they finally admitted it, but it does not change my read on them

now rant over, im going to "probably" finish the last Evangelion Movie 3.0 + 1.0, and then give reads on whoever I can, if my a.d.d allows me to

Luck took the stance on one person (Alison).

They pushed one person (Wilgy).

You have not really pushed anyone at the time of my initial suspicion of you (that I was consciously aware of). You had tried to shut down more than one read with a "Why?".

Is it nitpicky? Yes. Kinda. I have taken specifics of your approach to the game and pushed.

I honestly will not push on people I don't know for not being regulars. This should be evidenced enough in my treatment of Gira who, also, I haven't played with before.

My treatment of you could be exacerbated by the lack of familiarity, as an example I definitely hard-scumread Nanook in our first game together because his style does not gel with mine. If that's the case then you unfortunately press the buttons of what I find regularly wolfy when it comes to players I haven't played with before. This would not be the first time or the last, however I am perhaps being egotistical when I say this, but my process for handling players I have not played with before has a higher than rand tendency to uncover wolves.

And I will fully accept that playstyle difference/clash could easily be a leading factor in my approach to your slot.

However to call my actions either:
1. Disengenuous
OR
2. Handling you different because you're new

Is a misrepresentation of both the situation and my approach to it.

And to do so while attempting to align yourself with someone you know I townread feels opportunistic.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:28 pm Given I'm the only one in this game who is hyper aware of Luck's heavy bussing meta I feel like he'd not comment on it and either kill me off or discredit me so he doesn't have to worry about it.

I am intimately familiar with his inability to not buss partners

Actually this is a good point. Nanook is very aware of Luck's meta.

He accidentally had a run in last game lmao.

man you really want to die on my town flip don't you

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:21 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay

so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read

Lmao.

Nanook has expressed in previous games that Gavial's constant requests for people to sheep him are bad for town.

His intentional "LET'S SHEEP GAV" feels like petty Nanook being Petty.

Which is unironically rand!v for him.

see, i lacked the context at the time i made that post, although now i get it

i'm still not sure that translates to being towny


and i'm not sure it lines up with your original reasoning

but meh

I am happy for you to sus me on the idea that my take on a situation doesn't line up with the evidence I've provided. So long as you can articulate why and how like you have, I'm happy for it.

Suspicion, thought, interaction, and all those things are necessary for town to create a holistic picture and narrow down scum to a pool so that we can cohesively win the game.

I've given my reasons, you've given your opinion.

im not self-isoing my self to argue this anymore, I already said, "I think we are done here"

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:26 pm man you really want to die on my town flip don't you

If you are town, have created strawmen to argue invalid points against me and misrepresented my opinion on a situation while trying to align yourself inaccurately with a townread, then I'll take the votes and sus that follow.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:27 pm im not self-isoing my self to argue this anymore, I already said, "I think we are done here"

I shall await your takes on other matters. If you're town then I'm more likely to find your towniness from your opinion on the game then your self-defence in all honesty.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:26 pm man you really want to die on my town flip don't you

If you are town, have created strawmen to argue invalid points against me and misrepresented my opinion on a situation while trying to align yourself inaccurately with a townread, then I'll take the votes and sus that follow.

I think your town read is wrong
there is no strawman
even if u decide I have more "Why's?" than Luck
Which i don't even know since I am not rereading my iso
What exactly is the problem with no understanding early town reads? with trying to get responses so I can understand them?
I don't get it man, I don't fucking get what you and alison are doing if you are both town here

(don't have time to catch up for real right now, will do so later)