Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I'm pretty sure "I only get lethargic as town" isn't actually true lolDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:22 pmSure. Let me catch up first and give my whatever. Probably will within 50 minutes.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:18 pmIts not locked in, probably gonna shoot in like
Idk 50 minutes or so
But it's honestly a very bad shot if you shoot me. It's easy to say I'm underwhelming or not doing anything or what have you, so it's easier to take the shot cause then it's my fault as well (which it is in a way). But lethargy is never something that happens to me as mafia. Literally zero games. I can't help but get super high strung as mafia, and you know this. But I can get real lethargic and blah as town, if I don't feel the game or don't feel a direction for whatever reason. I don't like it, but it happens. Trying the best I can now.
Spacedaisy bothers me because they just went automatic "wolfread creature" in a way that I remember doing as wolf (no hesitation, no second doubts, no looking back). I'm giving Spacedaisy space though because it feels like it's her playstyle to minpost and she may just have the wrong notion of how to read me as she never played with me before.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:33 pm Like that big post from daisy had such a "uh my teammates just told me Im being called out so im gonna throw a salad of reads give me a sec" energy.
Can you please tell me why? I don't have a clear grasp of her play style.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:34 pm Ironically daisy is my only lock town atp
I'm pretty sure it is. You know how much I freak out from being mafia. My energy goes up from it, nervous energy. It happens every time. So yeah, it is.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:35 pmI'm pretty sure "I only get lethargic as town" isn't actually true lol
Yeah, setup is too mafia sided for sure. Extra saves would be ideal.Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pmThere should also have a mechanism solution that allows town to attempt to save other players besides the Red Panda. Like, the Marmot and NotAnAxehole kills were pretty predictable and someone could've saved them. I guess I might leave this discussion for postgame because I'm not sure how beneficial it is to talk about it right now.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.
Then that like leaves only hollowkatt for me. Perhaps DrWilgy holds some cred on falcon, but I'm not particularly wolfreading the latter.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:34 pm Ironically daisy is my only lock town atp
I think there are enough saves, but we need to make better plans that aren't just saving NANOOK or not saving anyone, because wolves have plenty of kills to reach parity quicker before they cogitate killing NANOOK.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:40 pmYeah, setup is too mafia sided for sure. Extra saves would be ideal.Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pmThere should also have a mechanism solution that allows town to attempt to save other players besides the Red Panda. Like, the Marmot and NotAnAxehole kills were pretty predictable and someone could've saved them. I guess I might leave this discussion for postgame because I'm not sure how beneficial it is to talk about it right now.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.
I haven't read most of this. But I hate it when people speak for me and are wrong about it.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:33 pm I don't have the energy or the will to write the exact same wall analysis for Dyslexicon as I had it, but a summary with all the main points will do just fine.
In an attempt to read a player whom most of time I have not been able to read correctly, I've approached the slot in thee ways.
1) Based on MetaI don't think Dyslexicon is scum here based on meta alone, I've seen his scum game and he takes command of the thread, establishing his dominance over the playlist, pocketing players who are out of his league for a complete hypnosis lol and persuading them into chopping the players he consider threats. I don't see that in this game, granted, I've only played in 5-6 with him and spectated another, in three of those he randed scum, one was in a mash so I can't really count that one because Mashes are just different types of Mafia games.
I was a scum partner with him and Hally and we swept the hell out of the town, he was a powerwolf in that game.
In the other I was town and I had correctly grouped him with Alana and ... someone else from mafia café..it's hard for me to remember stuff but it was a mafia cafe game and I was night killed on night 1. Dyslexicon was a dominant powerwolf in that game as well.
In two of the town games I've seen him play he was a little less dominant, it was like he was laying low so he wouldn't be fear killed in those games but he outed reads moderately, unlike here where he is noticeably underwhelming for the lack of a better word (I don't want to keep insulting people unintentionally).
In the Team Mafia game at Mafia Universe, we randed town, he was in my team. I played a gambit that got us in trouble and when his turn to play came up, he powertowned the shit out of that game, finally getting us out of PoE, Ephemeral had done a solid job but the wolves had made a great job at keeping us in the PoE but that went away when Dizzy took over and that is the kind of play I expect Dizzy to have.
In other words, Dyslexicon is a dominant player, moreso as scum though, so based on meta and just meta, Dizzy is not scum here.
2) Based on behavior hereThis is where it gets contradictory because based on behavior in this game, Dizzy could easily be scum. If I forget about meta, if I say you know what, fuck meta, meta is worthless crap, Dyslexicon has claimed that he cannot be meta read in past games and several occasions and every seasoned player can shift their meta, then Dizzy could be scum.
He is not committing to reads, he has outed some reads but they feel like he is leaving a way out? some of his posts look WIFOMy and he is playing the kind of game where he can remain in the middle you know? like not scummy enough to be immediate PoE but not townie enough to not make people wonder why he has not been night killed yet that kind of game that makes you think? Would a wolf draw attention to themselves playing that way?? and you answer no, only to tinfoil right after and say "well that is exactly why it would work", because that is the first think a townie thinks, that wolves care a lot about not drawing attention to themselves!
And I know you are gonna call me a narcissist for it, egomaniac whatever, but there are players like me whom don't give a shit about drawing attention to themselves when randing wolf, some of us are risk takers and that is why we win a lot of games when we rand scum and maybe that is Dizzy's case here even though he keeps telling me that I shouldn't judge others based on how I play, because I'm different (You know what I'm talking about).
Again, if we ignore Dizzy's meta, if I were to think he is playing this way to throw me and (those that know his meta) off, Dizzy has high wolf equity here.
Based on flipsBased on flips Dizzy does not look good at all. He also soft defended Michelle and Marmot highly suspected him, I know how Dizzy operates as scum during the night. He eliminates threats, he does not play the WIFOM game at night, he just kills threats to him or his teammates period and Marmot dying could mean that he had the ball in his hands when it comes to reading Dizzy.
I have not read NAA ISO yet, I'm sure most of you understand my reluctance, I'm not a fan of his playstyle, so I don't know what what his read on Dizzy to cross reference that too but just based on Michelle and Marmot, Dizzy is likely to be scum here.
Side note: Why is this not applicable to fingersplint's death pointing to DDL as possible scum?
Pretty simple. Marmot also had other suspects so it is easier for scum!Dyslexicon to try to hide behind those other people if they are town, while fingersplints had 6 posts? and their only vote is DDL, there is wolf that would kill someone whose only read is you, it's suicide, it draws too much attention to yourself, a wolf gotta kill threats yes but like fingersplint is just too in the face to be true, I hope you know what I mean. I believe more in my doc dodge belief and I could even entertain DDL getting set up by scum there.
Bottom LineThe bottom line is that Dyslexicon is in my PoE. In my analysis two vantage points overrule the first one and if I combined all three in one (Meta, Behavior, Flips), Dizzy is still scummy. Maybe he is town waiting for something, maybe he is scum waiting for something but I will not just wait for the game to be too late to pressure him when based on my analysis, Dyslexicon is scum.
[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Uh hard to articulate really, sorry...I have a decent history of reading her and she feels the same as other games I've seen her town in. So meta gut read i guessDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:36 pmCan you please tell me why? I don't have a clear grasp of her play style.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:34 pm Ironically daisy is my only lock town atp
Also, embarrassing, but earlier on I mixed up her and Juliets, and thought she was the one I was scum with in a game way back. And thought she was town because she was sassy and Juliets wouldn't be that sassy. But obviously, they aren't the same person lol. Just both OG Cindy Kate divas.
Alright, that's fine.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:45 pmUh hard to articulate really, sorry...I have a decent history of reading her and she feels the same as other games I've seen her town in. So meta gut read i guessDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:36 pmCan you please tell me why? I don't have a clear grasp of her play style.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:34 pm Ironically daisy is my only lock town atp
Also, embarrassing, but earlier on I mixed up her and Juliets, and thought she was the one I was scum with in a game way back. And thought she was town because she was sassy and Juliets wouldn't be that sassy. But obviously, they aren't the same person lol. Just both OG Cindy Kate divas.
This is the best order I have now @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMEDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:47 pm DDL
Creature
Urist (Leaving this up to Nanook though)
Guillo (Main thing that is scummy about Guillo is how some of his posts feels so incredibly constructed. Don't know if I can find the right word for it, but it seems like rhetoric more than natural thoughts. Maybe it's just how he writes though. He did derp a whole lot in the beginning. Not sure here tbh.)
Daisy (I know Nanook says something else. I don't get her confidence on me at all. I don't know.)
Wilgy (Nothing towny. But maybe not teamed with Falcon?)
HK (Probably tried to buddy me idk.)
Falcon (Questions that goes nowhere. No town indicators from what I've seen. No drive.)
Yeah, especially in even nights you almost always have to save someone.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:45 pm I don't know about you guys but for me Urist's table extends to saving nanook or not.
I think if anyone is free from saving nanook and believes they have the ability to save someone else, they should consider taking theor chances.
Saving other people is why this setup isn't necessarily scumsided.
At least 50 if 6 giant pandas left
Yes, this was the intent. I had a formula for whether to protect someone other than nanook but it was prob too complicated.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:45 pm I don't know about you guys but for me Urist's table extends to saving nanook or not.
I think if anyone is free from saving nanook and believes they have the ability to save someone else, they should consider taking theor chances.
Saving other people is why this setup isn't necessarily scumsided.
bc shooting outside your own 50-50 isn't a hero shot
I have no idea about Daisy, so I'll probably just put faith in you here.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:34 pm Ironically daisy is my only lock town atp
Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Funny, I have the same feelings about yoursCreature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:28 pmNot sure if I am fan of this entrance.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged affalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pmI like to think I'm open minded.
Tunneling scum is towny btw