The Syndicate

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Wtf @MacDougall just move to not Australia already

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:05 pm Marmy lets have a chat. im not flipping mafia and people arent budging on me. this might be our last dance.

I've got like 15 minutes until my delicious dinner will be done, let's chat!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:40 pm Thats the most boring reads list you could possibly have

Congrats on reaching 15,000 posts nerd

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:10 pm Day ends at 5AM

Wtf @MacDougall just move to not Australia already

I appreciate Mac fighting the good fight.

Viva la Australian timezones.

ok so it was actually nook that said that was the basis for your vote on Alison, what do you think of that and nook/s play that usually happens on d1 regardless but eh yeah thoughts on nook in general.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:45 pm Food for thought.

What is Sparkler's game plan voting Alison? If it's a lost cause vote, is the teammate bussing? Does W Sparkler think an Alison yeet actually happens and saves them?

I think I have like 30 posts left after this one for the rest of the game. So please digest and regurgitate. If there's more banter I'll try to keep it to big responses.

Thoughts on what v!sparkles might do here?

how familiar are you with my playstyle Marmy? And what will sell you on Alison over me?

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:14 pm ok so it was actually nook that said that was the basis for your vote on Alison, what do you think of that and nook/s play that usually happens on d1 regardless but eh yeah thoughts on nook in general.

I usually ignore Nanook Day 1 unless he super-slanks, which this is not quite that.


I dunno. Some people apply different amounts of effort to each games, sometimes depending on their own time, and sometimes depending on their interest, and sometimes depending on what the game requires. I see Nanook this game putting in a little bit of effort because he's interested, but not too much because he sees several other players doing that, and so he doesn't need to.

This is a read I'll give actual thought to tomorrow though. This treatment of him probably doesn't match my treatment of other players, but that's what I think.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:16 pm how familiar are you with my playstyle Marmy? And what will sell you on Alison over me?

I'm not as familiar with you as I like. I feel like I play a game with you once every 6 months or so, which is not enough to really get a good grasp on your meta.

So your description of your meta I'm just taking with a grain of salt, because I don't have time to go look at other games of yours.


You said that your manipulation isn't AI for you. How/why do you try to manipulate players as town?

why do i have quarter @Marmot

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:22 pm why do i have quarter @Marmot

I don't know, why do you have quarter @lucy?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:22 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:16 pm how familiar are you with my playstyle Marmy? And what will sell you on Alison over me?

I'm not as familiar with you as I like. I feel like I play a game with you once every 6 months or so, which is not enough to really get a good grasp on your meta.

So your description of your meta I'm just taking with a grain of salt, because I don't have time to go look at other games of yours.


You said that your manipulation isn't AI for you. How/why do you try to manipulate players as town?

A lot of the time I dont really try too, its mostly just my personality coming into its own and seeping into my game.

When I actively try too manipulate it because i know im a mislim and town is in a position where their looking at me when I know its another player specifically, so i do what i can to help town win even if its not the most goody good way to play as town. i do what i canédo best for town to win and steer away from mislynching me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:25 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:22 pm why do i have quarter @Marmot

I don't know, why do you have quarter @lucy?

i will rephrase, why am i not your ideal lynch today

i think my emotional responses come across as manipulation, when its not really intended, im just an emotionally expressive person and i do me when i play mafia, ive had success and failures but i dont know any other way to play but be myself and try hard to not get mislynched and bote when i got something.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:25 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:22 pm why do i have quarter @Marmot

I don't know, why do you have quarter @lucy?

i will rephrase, why am i not your ideal lynch today

I'll tell you tomorrow.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:27 pm i think my emotional responses come across as manipulation, when its not really intended, im just an emotionally expressive person and i do me when i play mafia, ive had success and failures but i dont know any other way to play but be myself and try hard to not get mislynched and bote when i got something.

I'm a very unemotionally expressive person, especially in mafia, so I do find expressed emotions more noteworthy, especially if they impact others.

expressing joy at a dead wolf: good

expressing anger and yelling at other players: bad


It's not a direct correlation between expressing emotions and wolfy behavior ofc, but the examples that I noted for you looked like manipulation, which did ring alarm bells.

Ok back to dinner, bbl

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:14 pm ok so it was actually nook that said that was the basis for your vote on Alison, what do you think of that and nook/s play that usually happens on d1 regardless but eh yeah thoughts on nook in general.

i don't recall saying that? i summarized and then made a comment on their argument about the ego thing (in response to you), i said that it wasn't relevant to me, that is not the same thing as saying it's the basis of or the only reason for his read, just that that specific argument didn't matter to me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:01 am I wil move the day end deadline 2 hours forward unless someone in the game messages me to say that's worse for them.

5?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:26 pm Like, am I wrong in my thinking that Wolves are generally less inclined to give reads?

We have 2 players that just won't give reads and arguably 1-2 others that feel like getting reads from them is like pulling teeth.

Eh I hate giving reads D1 when I'm not confident. It's normal.like otherwise you force reads, it comes off as not genuine and you look wolfy.

In order to avoid this situation, I am confident at all times.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:35 pm i’m forming it in a way that’s more understandable to them, think it’s probably fallen on deaf ears since it’s a social deception game and i’m arguing from dogma instead of reasoning kek

I love dogma. I just don't believe you. If you flip town I will believe you in future games. Such is the price of having a weird meta.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:48 pm OW could be scum too, hasnt offered much and nor has he really shared why he started my wagon in the first place, which is a cause for concern, he said earlier it was cause he didnt wanna get too invested and we cant prove that as real, i dont think weve ever played with each other and this could just be a thing where i dont like the playstyleésee it as scummy but considering he started the wagon and didnt really offer any particular reasons as to why he felt off about me, i think he should definetely be considered and pushed for more info.

I don't think he's playing like a mafia member at all.

For one my understanding of Visor's scum meta is that he tends to prefer to powerwolf, and he has taken a very passive stance in a threadstate ripe for powerwolfing in. At the same time, he has not been truly coasting on that passiveness in that he still responds to attempts to interact with him. His pushes are pretty agreeable and solid.

I am not fully clearing him, because at the end of the day he is a 6 poster and a skilled wolf. But those 6 posts are good enough that I have no reason to exe him D1 over legitimately scummy people like lucy or Sparkles.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:45 pm Food for thought.

What is Sparkler's game plan voting Alison? If it's a lost cause vote, is the teammate bussing? Does W Sparkler think an Alison yeet actually happens and saves them?

I think I have like 30 posts left after this one for the rest of the game. So please digest and regurgitate. If there's more banter I'll try to keep it to big responses.

Given the blatant pocket attempt on Sabi, I suspect they're just trying to go out with a fight. They have to kill me N1 anyway if Sparkles flips red so I think it makes sense to not care about spewing me town.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:52 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:45 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:43 pm Jjj would you be open to voting Nook since we are wolf partners and I'm too lazy to open discord

I'm open. While I'm viewing a feature film at my local movie theater, you should tell me why that's the move.

He's being more difficult than usual and idk he's giving me agenda driving vibes. His weird approach to following Wilgz. Idk doesn't seem like him

Picking someone to sheep in a game im.not taking particularly seriously is entirely on brand for me

Seeing as Wilgz has a rep for being a slacker, how are you so sure his reads are good? Why Wilgz?

He may be a slacker but he usually has ok reads regardless.

Anyway, I am caught up now. None of my reads have changed. Sparkles/Lucy are my preferred exes. I still have Marmot in my POE but there's no interest there so whatever.

I will probably not be on much between now and EOD.

@Alison fwiw I double checked Lucy's d1 in asmr mafia (she was town) and she both said the thing about not making reads d1 and actually did not make reads d1, so

Can't stop you from policy vote obviously, but it is a verifiable thing she does.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:36 am @Alison fwiw I double checked Lucy's d1 in asmr mafia (she was town) and she both said the thing about not making reads d1 and actually did not make reads d1, so

Can't stop you from policy vote obviously, but it is a verifiable thing she does.

Was she just "yeah, I'm not the kind of person to really have reads D1" or was she as loud and obstinate about it as she was here? I ask because the performativeness is part of the reason I find it scummy.

she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:40 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:36 am @Alison fwiw I double checked Lucy's d1 in asmr mafia (she was town) and she both said the thing about not making reads d1 and actually did not make reads d1, so

Can't stop you from policy vote obviously, but it is a verifiable thing she does.

Was she just "yeah, I'm not the kind of person to really have reads D1" or was she as loud and obstinate about it as she was here? I ask because the performativeness is part of the reason I find it scummy.

I made reads in state mafia and died pretty much for it, now you're pressuring me to give reads and I changed my mind looking really bad in not doing so, my loudness is reactionary to these two events, do you not understand that?

Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

outed wolf is a vote for mostly wagonomics and i haven’t found them to be that kinky yet

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:40 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:36 am @Alison fwiw I double checked Lucy's d1 in asmr mafia (she was town) and she both said the thing about not making reads d1 and actually did not make reads d1, so

Can't stop you from policy vote obviously, but it is a verifiable thing she does.

Was she just "yeah, I'm not the kind of person to really have reads D1" or was she as loud and obstinate about it as she was here? I ask because the performativeness is part of the reason I find it scummy.

you pressured me, now you’re finding the reaction you elicited to be scummy, are you Uzbeki by chance?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:33 am Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

I'm awake

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

Whatever you need to do to work your way into a vote on me, go ahead.

A surprising day when you get votes despite nobody wolfreading you (and people defending you).

That's mafia for you.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:36 am A surprising day when you get votes despite nobody wolfreading you (and people defending you).

That's mafia for you.

Didn't even realize you were a wagon, lol

I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

It is a wagon of strange bedfellows.

Wilgy is just upset I won't post more. Nanook just followed wilgy for no apparent reason. Lucy is voting to make wagons.

Not much one can do about that motley crew lol.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

This sounds like you building up to push me over to tell the truth.

I'd say it's Wolfy, but perhaps that's a poor thing to say to someone considering voting you.

Not sure what the benefit is in not killing sparkles at this point, nobody has said they actually think she's a villager and I don't know how one could be inspired by her catch up posting either.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:42 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

This sounds like you building up to push me over to tell the truth.

I'd say it's Wolfy, but perhaps that's a poor thing to say to someone considering voting you.

Not sure what the benefit is in not killing sparkles at this point, nobody has said they actually think she's a villager and I don't know how one could be inspired by her catch up posting either.

Don't really know how it can ever sound like that when if I wanted to vote you... I just do. It's not hard

It's about looking alright when I flip. (Especially if sparkles is W).

Lol, the OP doesn't even say how tied votes are handled, that's neat I guess

I call tails.

I'm sleepy why ow