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Okay, Long Con, I think I found what you meant, but unless I am confusing something here the timeline is (in my local time):
Love this post, thanks bro! I also like that you made sure to @ DM, I think it's towny to try to remedy their uninvolvement.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:05 pmI like this post from Long Con. Going back and forth in my head if I like these posts from Lime or not. Like the Scotty read is too easy but it's also so much too easy that maybe mafia doesn't give that read like that. I like LC questioning it either way.
(Note for new players. Hi @Dunnstral but also @DarlingMonroe @LanMisa @Manny. "LC" is Long Con." Lime Coke is abbreviated "Lime" or "Brad.")
It would also save him a lot of work.
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:27 pmScotty, I'd ask yo to tell me how this isn't you drawing opposite conclusion about the same Creature behaviour, but you seem to have squandered your posts, so I don't expect you to engage with me too much at this time. But, this is just noticeably off.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:16 pmRemind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:16 pmActually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:07 am Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature
I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.
Don't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Read the rest of my posts. I said I get lime coke confused with creature.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:27 pmScotty, I'd ask yo to tell me how this isn't you drawing opposite conclusion about the same Creature behaviour, but you seem to have squandered your posts, so I don't expect you to engage with me too much at this time. But, this is just noticeably off.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:16 pmRemind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:16 pmActually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:07 am Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature
I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.
Are you familiar with his meta?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Entitlement and Meta also work but the latter doesnt really help me for 3p cuz i dont know anyone's 3p meta.
Mr House is a serial killer, but Courier #6 could hopefully townside. Or at least go Libertarian. I am not too worried, I say they get nightkilled by Day 3.
Oh yeah well can he do this?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
First of all, I like the last few posts I saw towards me and while being aware that this may well be a pocketing attempt I don't feel like voting you anymore right now. Consider my vote off of you in spirit while I am thinking about where I want to go next.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:03 pmI didn't make any rhymes. I just said "brad" a bunch of times, mostly with the word "something" somehow scattered in there.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:50 pmI'm still backreading.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 pmCome talk to me. What is so "meh" about my entrance? How have things changed? What do you think of Lime now?
Regarding your entrance, you made rhyming one-liners and sold them as reads which means that a) we live in a bizarro-world where this is actual gameplay, b) your mind works in mysterious ways that are impossible for me to reach or c) it's a gimmick and as I expressed on other occasions I am not a fan of gimmicks.
If there was anything else I missed it, if there are more things after your coming back I will get to them soon.
I don't think that Lime has posted much since I went to bed yesterday so I mostly try to solve Lime based off on how people more familiar read Lime that I trust, like trying to figure out Creature's read.
It is actual gameplay, and if you don't understand it (which I don't blame you for, it wasn't really meant to be understood by others) I'd recommend asking me what I'm doing rather than just taking it for granted. You didn't ask, but... here it is:
Lime is someone that I feel I have a reasonably strong read on, and can figure them out quickly based on how they interact with me. I have caught him dead-to-rights rather quickly in the past, and so me pressuring him, even without anything specific, is a way I can get a handle on his alignment. If you don't understand what I'm doing, that is of little consequence to me since I was not concerned with people's read on me, but with my own reads. This makes little sense coming from Wolf!Seanzie, and total sense from town!Seanzie.
On the flipside, wolf!Seanzie never goes after Brad first. I've snowed Brad in pretty much every game I've been mafia while he is town. He sometimes suspects me late game, but usually that is only when it is too late (i.e. when I stop caring about how he sees me), or because it becomes mech-locked that him and I are a diff check. You could actually probably accurately tell if I'm scum in a game with town!Brad because at some point town!Brad will say something like "I really don't understand what's going on this game" or "I'm have no idea what direction we should go in". It makes no sense for wolf!Seanzie to go guns-blazing at lime out the gate like that.
Scotty squarely has me as 3P or town, I have no idea what you are talking about here...Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:11 pm Someone go to Scotty’s iso and ctrl+f LanMisa and tell me you see anything that looks like Scotty evaluating LanMisa’s alignment or vice versa. I don’t see anything.
I’d quote a bunch of shit to show it but I’m on mobile.
I usually just hope that wolves take care of that for us eventually and/or we kill Mafia quick enough to have enough time in late-game.
No, unless Scotty has an MU account that I am unaware of.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:15 pmAre you familiar with his meta?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
STORY TIMEJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:17 pmOh yeah well can he do this?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Didn’t think so.
I believe Scotty about mistaking Lime and Creature especially since the first post clearly doesn't try to go anywhere deep. It reads NAI to me.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pm @LanMisa I'm talking about this:
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:27 pmScotty, I'd ask yo to tell me how this isn't you drawing opposite conclusion about the same Creature behaviour, but you seem to have squandered your posts, so I don't expect you to engage with me too much at this time. But, this is just noticeably off.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:16 pmRemind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:16 pmActually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:07 am Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature
I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.
Being a teacher of almost-adults this story still reads appalling to me. Also, I can't do that either.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:25 pmSTORY TIMEJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:17 pmOh yeah well can he do this?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Didn’t think so.
this is hilarious because of how pertinent it is.
When I was in 3rd grade, I had a teacher do an exercise with the class: if we could show that we could roll our tongue, we could get a candy bar as a reward. I was the ONLY kid who couldn’t roll their tongue, and then was asked to step outside for a time. It felt so unfair and dehumanizing as i sat outside the classroom crying as the kids inside got their candy. Eventually the teacher came out to let me in after some time marinating and announced that the purpose of this was to show the unfairness of real life with situations out of your control.
Fun times
So no, I can’t do that.
I’m in a weird spot with LC.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:28 pmBeing a teacher of almost-adults this story still reads appalling to me. Also, I can't do that either.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:25 pmSTORY TIMEJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:17 pmOh yeah well can he do this?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Didn’t think so.
this is hilarious because of how pertinent it is.
When I was in 3rd grade, I had a teacher do an exercise with the class: if we could show that we could roll our tongue, we could get a candy bar as a reward. I was the ONLY kid who couldn’t roll their tongue, and then was asked to step outside for a time. It felt so unfair and dehumanizing as i sat outside the classroom crying as the kids inside got their candy. Eventually the teacher came out to let me in after some time marinating and announced that the purpose of this was to show the unfairness of real life with situations out of your control.
Fun times
So no, I can’t do that.
Scotty, what are your thoughts on how Long Con is approaching you? I feel like it's towny but also a bit tunnel-y.
He probably does, but that's beside the point. Scotty and JJJ and Mac are the three players that come to mind when I think of those that can aggressively take control of a thread in a very townlike way, and it really works because they can do, and have done, that as Town as well. Just saying, it's in his skill set, as he himself told you earlier in the game.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:22 pmNo, unless Scotty has an MU account that I am unaware of.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:15 pmAre you familiar with his meta?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Yeah, but I explained my suspicion, it isn't fabricated. Someone even said they see my point, which is nice.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:35 pmI’m in a weird spot with LC.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:28 pmBeing a teacher of almost-adults this story still reads appalling to me. Also, I can't do that either.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:25 pmSTORY TIMEJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:17 pmOh yeah well can he do this?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Didn’t think so.
this is hilarious because of how pertinent it is.
When I was in 3rd grade, I had a teacher do an exercise with the class: if we could show that we could roll our tongue, we could get a candy bar as a reward. I was the ONLY kid who couldn’t roll their tongue, and then was asked to step outside for a time. It felt so unfair and dehumanizing as i sat outside the classroom crying as the kids inside got their candy. Eventually the teacher came out to let me in after some time marinating and announced that the purpose of this was to show the unfairness of real life with situations out of your control.
Fun times
So no, I can’t do that.
Scotty, what are your thoughts on how Long Con is approaching you? I feel like it's towny but also a bit tunnel-y.
I think if my shitty memory holds up, we have now had 2 recent games where I was wolf against his town and basically trampled him both times (I might be wrong on one of those, but definitely have done one pretty recently). I think it makes sense for him to have a pretty healthy guardedness on my play. I’m also having a hard time determining fabricated suspicion v real solving with a bunch of names town reading me AND scum reading me.
So I don’t want to outright OMGUS him for his treatment of me. But it is more aggressive in its approach than I remember of his recent town games. I’d call him light scum atm but want to see how he approaches other people instead of me because my judgment might be clouded
If that makes any sense
(By my count I think I have 5 posts left)
Previous games with Scotty have not once crossed my mind until he brought them up. They were basically forgotten.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:41 pm Hm, I may be biased here of course but what you said makes me keep my townlean.
If he was a wolf and you were town I'd expect him to play just like in these games as to not alarm you of a shift in approach...or at the very least only put a small spin on things.
On the other hand if he was town then him getting snowed twice would very much explain a harsher treatment, as you said himself...at the very least an approach from a "Scotty is wolf before proven otherwise" perspective.
You don't have to answer this if you want to keep your posts left-over but your explanation that you gave just now makes me lean the opposite way.
Hmmmm... yeah, this makes sense, also taking in what Scotty just said.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:39 pmHe probably does, but that's beside the point. Scotty and JJJ and Mac are the three players that come to mind when I think of those that can aggressively take control of a thread in a very townlike way, and it really works because they can do, and have done, that as Town as well. Just saying, it's in his skill set, as he himself told you earlier in the game.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:22 pmNo, unless Scotty has an MU account that I am unaware of.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:15 pmAre you familiar with his meta?LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pmDon't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pmWhy is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Hm, okay.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:43 pmPrevious games with Scotty have not once crossed my mind until he brought them up. They were basically forgotten.LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:41 pm Hm, I may be biased here of course but what you said makes me keep my townlean.
If he was a wolf and you were town I'd expect him to play just like in these games as to not alarm you of a shift in approach...or at the very least only put a small spin on things.
On the other hand if he was town then him getting snowed twice would very much explain a harsher treatment, as you said himself...at the very least an approach from a "Scotty is wolf before proven otherwise" perspective.
You don't have to answer this if you want to keep your posts left-over but your explanation that you gave just now makes me lean the opposite way.
A bit, although my MU meta is usually "almost impossible to misyeet."
I haven't read the LanMisa/Scotty thing yet but Lan seems all right.
I thought I'd check you on this. National Lampoons I went after Porscha about this aggressively, and I don't think it's notably aggressive. Can't talk about ongoing games, but the name 'sig' comes to mind.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:35 pm I’m in a weird spot with LC.
I think if my shitty memory holds up, we have now had 2 recent games where I was wolf against his town and basically trampled him both times (I might be wrong on one of those, but definitely have done one pretty recently). I think it makes sense for him to have a pretty healthy guardedness on my play. I’m also having a hard time determining fabricated suspicion v real solving with a bunch of names town reading me AND scum reading me.
So I don’t want to outright OMGUS him for his treatment of me. But it is more aggressive in its approach than I remember of his recent town games. I’d call him light scum atm but want to see how he approaches other people instead of me because my judgment might be clouded
If that makes any sense
If they are probably mafia that seems like a great day 1 vote to me.
A big wagon creates a bigger discussion.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:01 pm The text was about LC’s mom.
Slash I went to have vday lunch with my wife and son and I’m using my time poorly playing Far Cry and doing actual work to hand off what little I do before starting my new job.
@falcon45ca @Scotty @LanMisa @Michelle @Epignosis @MacDougall gimmie the Seanzie case in three sentences or less so I’m either caught up or I can know the case going in and see if it holds up when I’m reading the thread.