The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:16 pm Radical theory:

Epignosis and motobot are mafia. Scotty only gave them soft town reads, so they killed him. Wilgy explicitly suggested they’re a tinfoil theory of his, so they killed him.

It’d also explain why this whole game has felt like ass.

Flipside tinfoil: falcon and Tony made that kill so that we'd see his tinfoil and believe in it.

Not trying to stifle the start of a day, but why is one more likely than the other?

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm**

I just realized that one of the advantages that I have in this game so far,(and it's a big one for people like JJJ,)is the fact that I have zero history playing this, (without any help at least.)

The reason I used JJJ as an example is because from what I understand, his play style revolves around comparing people from past experiences, such as being Mafia from a previous game.

From what I understand, JJJ can't seem to get a good read on me. Because at first he was accusing and/or questioning me.

However since my most recent large post, (about JJJ throwing crap at people,) he suddenly started to suspect me less, which I don't understand. But if I wrote it well, then fine, ok sure.

But from recent replies, people were already likely to figure that out sooner or later, so again, I don't know how a single Post can change so much about wether you trust someone or not.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:38 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:16 pm Radical theory:

Epignosis and motobot are mafia. Scotty only gave them soft town reads, so they killed him. Wilgy explicitly suggested they’re a tinfoil theory of his, so they killed him.

It’d also explain why this whole game has felt like ass.
Flipside tinfoil: falcon and Tony made that kill so that we'd see his tinfoil and believe in it.

Not trying to stifle the start of a day, but why is one more likely than the other?

They can certainly be mafia just by virtue of being threatened by Wilgy. I doubt they’d have Epi/moto in mind making that kill, but it doesn’t matter much.

As for what’s most likely, I truly have no idea. The answer to that would depend on the entire state of the game. Falcon and/or Tony would mean we’ve been close and unlucky. Epi and/or motobot would mean we’ve been nowhere close. I could see it either way. The game is bung.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:39 pm**

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm I just realized that one of the advantages that I have in this game so far,(and it's a big one for people like JJJ,)is the fact that I have zero history playing this, (without any help at least.)

The reason I used JJJ as an example is because from what I understand, his play style revolves around comparing people from past experiences, such as being Mafia from a previous game.

From what I understand, JJJ can't seem to get a good read on me. Because at first he was accusing and/or questioning me.

However since my most recent large post, (about JJJ throwing crap at people,) he suddenly started to suspect me less, which I don't understand. But if I wrote it well, then fine, ok sure.

But from recent replies, people were already likely to figure that out sooner or later, so again, I don't know how a single Post can change so much about wether you trust someone or not.

I understand why it might seem odd for one post to be so telling, but that is often the case — perhaps even more often than not. One reason I love highly active games as a civilian is that it creates more opportunities for moments like that.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:48 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:16 pm Radical theory:

Epignosis and motobot are mafia. Scotty only gave them soft town reads, so they killed him. Wilgy explicitly suggested they’re a tinfoil theory of his, so they killed him.

It’d also explain why this whole game has felt like ass.

What is this happy horseshit?

We killed Scotty because he said we're good? We killed Wilgy because he said we're bad?

You need a new Magic 8 Ball.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:59 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:16 pm Radical theory:

Epignosis and motobot are mafia. Scotty only gave them soft town reads, so they killed him. Wilgy explicitly suggested they’re a tinfoil theory of his, so they killed him.

It’d also explain why this whole game has felt like ass.
What is this happy horseshit?

We killed Scotty because he said we're good? We killed Wilgy because he said we're bad?

You need a new Magic 8 Ball.

He said you're less good than anyone else said you were.

I probably do need a new Magic 8 Ball. Doing my best here.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:00 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:55 pm Town reads:
Tony
Simon
Falcon
Wilgy

Townlean:
Moto
Epi

Scumlean:
JJJ
Long con

SCUMREAD:
Princess Abbi

TALK MORE:
Lorab
Sig
Abbi sophia

Referring to this, to be clear.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:55 pm Town reads:
Tony
Simon
Falcon
Wilgy

Townlean:
Moto
Epi

Scumlean:
JJJ
Long con

SCUMREAD:
Princess Abbi

TALK MORE:
Lorab
Sig
Abbi sophia
Referring to this, to be clear.

I could just as easily (more easily) say "JJJ and LC" killed Scotty. It'd be a less radical theory.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:02 pm**

Talk to me about why you specifically tied me with moto in your scenario rather than Long Con.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:05 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:02 pm Talk to me about why you specifically tied me with moto in your scenario rather than Long Con.

Because Wilgy said it, and I had thought about it at least once prior. You and motobot fit together like a glove if I ignore the things that make you look like civilians on your own. I have no good reason to say that about Long Con and motobot. It's also possible, just not as overt.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:06 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:02 pm I could just as easily (more easily) say "JJJ and LC" killed Scotty. It'd be a less radical theory.

That's similar to what I was just discussing with LC.

We might need a radical theory. Generic theories are 0 for 2, and I have zero confidence about staying the course.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:07 pm**

Shingen has powers. Ask him.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:07 pm**

Also had BTSC with Abigail Sophia, so... that's something.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:08 pm**

One thing I will say and then refuse to expand on. Anyone is free to explore for themselves though.

DrWilgy is a strange kill following Abigail Sophia's flip.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:08 pm**

If we stick with Abigail voters then we can keep Shingen safer?

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:09 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:07 pm Also had BTSC with Abigail Sophia, so... that's something.

Yep- pretty easy to work out who isn't that role.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:09 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:08 pm One thing I will say and then refuse to expand on. Anyone is free to explore for themselves though.

DrWilgy is a strange kill following Abigail Sophia's flip.

He's not Shingen.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:10 pm**

Please do not inform the mafia if they do not already know.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:31 pm Thoughts before the kids pull me away again.

My brain has observed a pattern with Jay that appears wolfy. I will probably require a flip to solve. Do I push for said flip and vote there or allow the opportunity for a Jay solve that's often highly beneficial for town?

Probably should yeet Falc.

No other thoughts.

Oh, Sig is probably town.

I don't really remember much else from my skin so what I advised from D1 still applies.

Just mulling over Wilgy reads for the sake of night kill analysis. It's unlikely he was killed for the right reason, so we can examine the wrong reasons (e.g., feeling threatened or something similar).

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:10 pm Please do not inform the mafia if they do not already know.

Does it matter after today?

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 pm**

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:13 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:10 pm Please do not inform the mafia if they do not already know.
Does it matter after today?

Sure, if it results in double-kills.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:13 pm**

Falcon was clearly Wilgy's big suspect. He attempted a possible hot potato onto him at the end there.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:14 pm**

Scotty town read falcon, but he didn't actually say anything about falcon. It's a minor hang-up, not necessarily a theory-breaker.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:14 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:13 pm Falcon was clearly Wilgy's big suspect. He attempted a possible hot potato onto him at the end there.

I was a bit irked at myself for not following him. I kinda figured it'd just get me killed.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:14 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:10 pm Please do not inform the mafia if they do not already know.
Does it matter after today?
Sure, if it results in double-kills.

I don't think it's a good strategy to avoid discussing something like that, because I doubt it's likely they don't know.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:16 pm**

Could be, I dunno. The Wilgy kill suggests that at the very least, they don't have a grip on how to achieve that bonus.

If Tony is a civilian he is going to hate this conversation.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:17 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:10 pm Please do not inform the mafia if they do not already know.
Does it matter after today?
Sure, if it results in double-kills.

Didn't remember the setup properly.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:19 pm**

Who's most likely to miss this critical factor and make a bad mechanical kill?

falcon - maybe I guess, he's only kinda here
LoRab - could be, has missed a ton
motobot - could be, new to mechanical problems like this
Simon - could be, new to mechanical problems like this
sig - maybe I guess, he's only kinda here
Long Con - less likely
Epignosis - less likely
Tony - almost certainly not

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:22 pm**

I mean, by that logic, we have a POE of five. I still think Epi's sons look like civilians. So...

falcon, LoRab, sig

How do we feel about that?

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:22 pm**

I guess sig would be the last on the chopping block from that list, given the reeds earlier.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:23 pm**

LOL voice to text.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:23 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:08 pm RIP Wilgy.

I thought the thief WAS Kagemusha, from the opening description. The thief is identical to the daimyō, but is Shingen the daimyō? And Kagemusha replaces Shingen, so I thought they would be identical.

But now I don't know, because AS didn't flip Kagemusha, so the thief is someone different? Hopefully, a Wolf? Also, there was no alignment given in the host post?

The thief is kagemusha

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:23 pm**

sig killing Wilgy would be a bit odd. Maybe that points to a team of two then? falcon and LoRab?

We'd said it's possible to have a small team with the double-kill mechanic in play. Dangerous to bank on it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:23 pm**

I should be cleared by wilgy kill lol

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:24 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:23 pm I should be cleared by wilgy kill lol

Agreed mostly

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:24 pm**

Me too TBQFH

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:25 pm**

I’m considering it

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:25 pm**

The Scotty and Wilgy kills are both done by someone who knows that they're very good.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:25 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:16 pm Could be, I dunno. The Wilgy kill suggests that at the very least, they don't have a grip on how to achieve that bonus.

If Tony is a civilian he is going to hate this conversation.

shut up mr teddy bear

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:25 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:25 pm The Scotty and Wilgy kills are both done by someone who knows that they're very good.

Consistent with falconRab theory.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:26 pm**

ok super late

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:26 pm**

falconRab is buyable

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:28 pm**

I’m getting this out now since I don’t think it matters but probably adds to my win percentage. I’m a 3p survivor. I can only win with town. I don’t add to parity, so wolves — don’t kill me. If you (town) think I’m lying and waste time trying to kill me you will almost certainly lose the game to mech. I will spite anyone who tries this.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:30 pm**

I hereby acknowledge Tony's post and continue voting Not Tony.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:31 pm**

And I’ll prove I’m genuinely invested in a town victory by continuing to play the game despite the fact that a 3p survivor claim at this stage in this game should just float

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:31 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:30 pm I hereby acknowledge Tony's post and continue voting Not Tony.

Yeah that’s really all the talking that needs to be done about it but I’d like it selfishly if we could make sure wolves saw it so they didn’t kill me

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:33 pm**

I don’t think Moto can be a wolf now. I think we shouldn’t kill anyone in the “should be a wolf kill” pool (though if Abigail was actually Kage I’ll hope for a smart bus). I’ll clear Epi/LC/hesitantly Jay for now. Three, maybe four reasonable candidates left, pool of two for the day.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:34 pm**

But lets be real if Jay is town and wolves had the opportunity to get that flip and passed it up, either they’re silly or they had info or they just weren’t around

Which like also clears me along with all the other things that clear me

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:37 pm**

Now if they did have info it would make up for the small team along with the 3p role

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