The Syndicate

Ok catching up now.

I think that SVS's logic re:llama being taken off the poll is pretty sound. I've had take someone of the poll roles many times and if I were a Donner I would absolutely take my teammates of the poll. Especially early in the game where I don't have any feels for anyone.

I'm starting to feel less sure on Rico. I like his latest responses better although I did skim a little sorry.

I don't know what's going on with LC tbh but I still don't feel right voting there.

I have to look some at the other players, and hopefully finish reading the thread. There is still a big chunk in the middle I haven't gotten to

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Although, the fact that FZ seems so pissed off about this is starting to make me hesitate...

Nah, just wanting to be sure.
I'm pissed about the info dumping stuff, not this

The thing that's making me hesitate is the fact that he did indeed defend Epi more than once, which maybe in this game is different, but usually baddies don't defend each other strongly, and the fact I don't see any reason for him to admit as a baddie that he had the screenshot and then not give it.

By the way, llama, what do you think of SVS?

She's always a tricky one for me to read, but I think I am seeing her civ game, at least so far. She's being helpful and logical, and she's agreeing with me, which is a rare treat indeed.

Thanks for the response, I feel better about my vote now.

fingersplints wrote:I think that SVS's logic re:llama being taken off the poll is pretty sound. I've had take someone of the poll roles many times and if I were a Donner I would absolutely take my teammates of the poll. Especially early in the game where I don't have any feels for anyone.

I think the more obvious reason for taking one's own Donner teammate off the poll is that they may have only one chance to EVER use the power, so of course they will choose one of the only people they know for a fact is Civvie.

And I just realized that Metalmarsh was Tamsen Donner. That really really sucks for the Civvies, Tamsen could have been the key to winning the game.

I appreciate Rico's attempts to defend himself, but they haven't really changed my mind. I acknowledge that I don't feel THAT strongly about him, but it's Day 2 and I can't fathom a better player for my vote before the roles change.

Sorry, Rico.

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:And I just realized that Metalmarsh was Tamsen Donner. That really really sucks for the Civvies, Tamsen could have been the key to winning the game.

Here is more of my evidence against LC - "That really sucks for THE CIVVIES!?" Don't you mean - "That really sucks for us?"

I see the evidence against Rico, it is fair, but not as good as the evidence I see against LC and Russ (and now maybe TySlayer thanks to FZ). I will keep my vote for LC to ensure that he doesn't fall off the civvie lunching radar for D3.

@FZ - thank you for your analysis of how hard it is to make a real case in this game without being accused of some sort of bad sportsmanship. However, I will do my best to soldier on and find the bad guys wherever they may be! Watch out Wasatch, Hunger and GSLD - I'm looking your way!!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I appreciate Rico's attempts to defend himself, but they haven't really changed my mind. I acknowledge that I don't feel THAT strongly about him, but it's Day 2 and I can't fathom a better player for my vote before the roles change.

Sorry, Rico.

A better player is LC or Russ. Just sayin'

@ Rico - If you vote for Llama you are more than likely voting for a civ. You are making it hard for us to believe that you aren't bad when you do that. I have made a very good case for LC and Russ, and TySlayer voted for you for no reason. If you are really good, why add flame to the fire by voting for Llama?

Zomberella12 wrote:
@FZ - thank you for your analysis of how hard it is to make a real case in this game without being accused of some sort of bad sportsmanship. However, I will do my best to soldier on and find the bad guys wherever they may be! Watch out Wasatch, Hunger and GSLD - I'm looking your way!!

I'm right here, though, aren't I?

Zomberella12 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:And I just realized that Metalmarsh was Tamsen Donner. That really really sucks for the Civvies, Tamsen could have been the key to winning the game.

Here is more of my evidence against LC - "That really sucks for THE CIVVIES!?" Don't you mean - "That really sucks for us?"

I see the evidence against Rico, it is fair, but not as good as the evidence I see against LC and Russ (and now maybe TySlayer thanks to FZ). I will keep my vote for LC to ensure that he doesn't fall off the civvie lunching radar for D3.

@FZ - thank you for your analysis of how hard it is to make a real case in this game without being accused of some sort of bad sportsmanship. However, I will do my best to soldier on and find the bad guys wherever they may be! Watch out Wasatch, Hunger and GSLD - I'm looking your way!!

I seem to have done a pretty good one on Rico without using any info.

Zomberella12 wrote:@ Rico - If you vote for Llama you are more than likely voting for a civ. You are making it hard for us to believe that you aren't bad when you do that. I have made a very good case for LC and Russ, and TySlayer voted for you for no reason. If you are really good, why add flame to the fire by voting for Llama?

Didn't you hear? Making others believe you are not bad doesn't work in Mafia.

Follow your case, whatever that is. I did that on D1 and look where I am now.

I have to be honest and say that if I vote for Rico, it's only because I don't see anyone really trying hard to defend him....And if you want to talk about unfair, I'm thinking this is it, and not because of info dumping, but because of game mechanics.

So I'm wondering if I'd rather vote for Russ, whose line from the first day regarding how he'd be okay with voting civvies as well, is still pinging me. The more I think of it, I can see it as a way of trying to make the civvies just go against each other.

@linki: Ilama, I don't think you can call that without info

I counted two actually, but unfortunately that does not get me off the hook.

Ricochet wrote:I counted two actually, but unfortunately that does not get me off the hook.

I'd expect people who know a civ is getting lynched to try harder than that

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I counted two actually, but unfortunately that does not get me off the hook.

I'd expect people who know a civ is getting lynched to try harder than that

I don't believe blatant defending is the key to teammateship or detecting teams at all, but I'm currently getting lunched for that, so...

Ricochet wrote: Didn't you hear? Making others believe you are not bad doesn't work in Mafia.

I'm never giving you helpful advice again.

Have fun twisting in the wind.

Ok so I'm voting Ricochet because I don't see anything that sticks out more to me.

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote: Didn't you hear? Making others believe you are not bad doesn't work in Mafia.

I'm never giving you helpful advice again.

Have fun twisting in the wind.

I never considered you giving me any, to be honest.

Not much of a Weather out there.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I'm voting Ricochet because I don't see anything that sticks out more to me.

Eloquent enough reasoning.

To be noted, Snowman changed his vote to LC with even less reason than voting me in the first place. The priviledges of having amnesty, I presume...

Actually, scratch that. He said something the other day. My bad.

Zomberella12 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I see the evidence against Rico, it is fair, but not as good as the evidence I see against LC and Russ (and now maybe TySlayer thanks to FZ). I will keep my vote for LC to ensure that he doesn't fall off the civvie lunching radar for D3.

I am SO bad, my friends, that even when the rotation happens at the end of this Day, I will be unable to assume a Civvie role.

That's so badass.

Could LC just be a jester? Or is he acting like that to make us think he is, so we don't lynch him?

Has anyone considered that LC is just having fun? I doubt he's bad, he's playing like he has nothing to hide.

I just finished pages of reading, I just read my other game as well. I need to put my thoughts together. Plus I'm trying to type with a two year old on my lap banging the keyboard

FZ. wrote:Could LC just be a jester? Or is he acting like that to make us think he is, so we don't lynch him?

No one wants to lynch a jester! But no, I'm just a regular Civvie dude, I don't know who's bad or anything. I'll try to find a new place for my vote now.

Bass could be bad. I don't think anyone has vouched for him, have they?

Black Rock wrote:Has anyone considered that LC is just having fun? I doubt he's bad, he's playing like he has nothing to hide.

I just finished pages of reading, I just read my other game as well. I need to put my thoughts together. Plus I'm trying to type with a two year old on my lap banging the keyboard

I think the players can find it hard to believe that, given that Epig acted that way and turned out to be a baddie.

They can't even believe me not voting Epig doesn't make me bad.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:Could LC just be a jester? Or is he acting like that to make us think he is, so we don't lynch him?

No one wants to lynch a jester! But no, I'm just a regular Civvie dude, I don't know who's bad or anything. I'll try to find a new place for my vote now.

No, but I don't find him suspicious for now, and I think the votes are spread enough. What do you think about Russ? Zomb and Splints were considering him as well, so we can all vote there

Wtf????

Isn't Levinah supposed to be s civvie??

Apparently she thought Llama was a non-Civvie. Now <<the Civvies>> have lost two important Donner-Civvies!

The only person gunning for Llama was Rico...

I guess Ricochet, Llama's only seeming suspecter according to the current poll...



... will have to vote for someone else!

There was a reason why it was likely Llama was a Donner before his death, right? Was it that he was off the poll on Day One? I think that was it.

RIP llama. I really had a hard time reading that story

I wonder if that was on purpose to signal us that he's not Epi's partner but Levina

If it is it was a crappy thing to do tbh.

That would make sense with the "no one supports Rico" thing.

Also, despite the anti-Civvie choice of who to kill, I'd rather lose Jacob Donner than Levinah Murphy. Sort of.

Hey, don't the Donners have a rezz? Or was it someone else? They can rezz llama

@linki: yeah, but we don't know if it was on purpose

Yeah, I think I'll switch to LC now.

I think that seals the deal for me on voting Russ. Anyone care to join me? I think Ty was Epig's partner

Ricochet wrote:Yeah, I think I'll switch to LC now.

You scum, you should have killed me and voted Llama, at least.

And I call you scum in only the friendliest way, not in any personal way. I call my two-year-old "scum" on a daily basis. True story.

Linki: I think voting Russ makes no sense, I have gotten a Civvie vibe from him this round. And if you suspect Ty, why not vote Ty?

FZ. wrote:Hey, don't the Donners have a rezz? Or was it someone else? They can rezz llama

@linki: yeah, but we don't know if it was on purpose

They HAD a lynch stop.

I need to walk away from here for a bit. See you all later

The Reeds can rezz.

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hey, don't the Donners have a rezz? Or was it someone else? They can rezz llama

@linki: yeah, but we don't know if it was on purpose

They HAD a lynch stop.

I need to walk away from here for a bit. See you all later

Don't get your feathers too ruffled. Maybe you'll come back after tonight as a baddie, and you'll be lovin' it like Mickey D's!

And Sarah Keyes has a rezz, maybe she can rez Llama (or Metalmarsh) now!

I'm thinking that Rico just killed Llama, or someone else did it to frame him. If Rico did it, he is a bad civvie. Does that exist?

Not in this games. The civ and bad are clear teams. Murphy is just a civillian that has three kills as a power.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Yeah, I think I'll switch to LC now.

You scum, you should have killed me and voted Llama, at least.

And I call you scum in only the friendliest way, not in any personal way. I call my two-year-old "scum" on a daily basis. True story.

Linki: I think voting Russ makes no sense, I have gotten a Civvie vibe from him this round. And if you suspect Ty, why not vote Ty?

I don't know. Russ just seems like he's not helpful at all (no offence). As for Ty, I don't know. I think he's a baddie, but no one seems to say anything about it, so I'm not pushing it because...I don't know why actually.

How has Russ seemed Civvie to you?

Wow, that's surprising. RIP Llama.

Occam's Razor suggests the following scenario:
Rico is Murphy and used one of his three kills because he strongly believed Llama to be bad and didn't want to be lynched this period. Not only did it accomplish the use of one of his three available abilities, but it worked as a signaling mechanism.

As a result, I'm switching my vote to LC.

Zomberella12 wrote:I'm thinking that Rico just killed Llama, or someone else did it to frame him. If Rico did it, he is a bad civvie. Does that exist?

No, but civvies make mistakes all the time.

So, a civvie was just killed and the vote is split between two likely civvies (imo).

I'm voting for Bass as well, unless someone can tell me why I shouldn't.