The Syndicate

I think that "rule" is foolish, especially at this stage of the game, so I don't care about that.

I do think Mac is an odd choice if your intent is to follow the LC / bad bunny pattern. Those two were hard POE for most people and Mac wasn't even fringe POE for most.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:03 am I think that "rule" is foolish, especially at this stage of the game, so I don't care about that.

I do think Mac is an odd choice if your intent is to follow the LC / bad bunny pattern. Those two were hard POE for most people and Mac wasn't even fringe POE for most.

I figured made, martin, gnome were all before him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, I think I'm probably conf-biased somewhat on Allcrab. I don't want to be on him as my legacy if I get mischopped; that would be potentially problematic for town if they heed the dead at all. His answer to me was overall a good look imo, 75 times out of 100 I say town is more likely to say this than wolf/3P.

I re-evaluated LoMo just in case and I still think he's town. I don't think I need to re-evaluate JJJ or Sloon.

I'm going to look at Tangy/TSP when I get the chance.

Because in terms of mech solve fmpov if poisoner is not Allcrab then it MUST be within Mac / TSP. It could technically be Made but I suspect him for being mafia.

I think I need to re-evaluate Mac just in general for whatever at some point regardless of EoD's flips.

@MartinGG99 could you just briefly explain what it is you were looking for from Allcrab in your exchange? That is: what would have been the wrong answer?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:58 am @MartinGG99 could you just briefly explain what it is you were looking for from Allcrab in your exchange? That is: what would have been the wrong answer?

A wrong answer would have been anything that would be too far from the concept of trying to solve for their purposes.

For example:

"I thought Mac was a likely poison target" - This doesn't hint to me at all whether they think their poisoner-hunting needs more assistance than their mafia-hunting

"I had no clue who the night-kill target would be" - This doesn't hint to me at all whether they think their mafia-hunting needs more assistance than their poisoner-hunting. (I.e. the reverse of the above)

In general: A bad answer would be something that did not give me a glimpse as to why they may have prioritized one kind of targeting or mech-play over the other, or focused a bit too much on explaining (especially if it contained their own reads).

Speaking of the dead. Hawk did have these on D3:

hawkataine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:17 pm TL;DR, yeah, I think it's like 82% likely that gnome is scum here. The only thing that makes me doubt that is that I think I've been wrong on her before, because her style just doesn't gel with mine. Also Kito townread her but I don't remember how good he is at that lol.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:48 pm TL;DR: I don't trust him [Martin], but I don't see much obvious mafia potential here. I think I'm somewhere around 43% mafia, 56% 3P. No, those don't add up. I have no idea what system I'm using.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:41 pm Owner ISO (this one's pretty juicy):
[snip]
TL;DR, this looks fab for Seanzie, great for Alison and made, good for Act, decent for Dana and LoMo, and not great for Gnome.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:13 pm TL;DR: I'm super torn on this one. I don't have good meta on fable. I think this reminds me of his town play, but I really couldn't swear by that. There's very little here tbh. But I do think some of the more definitive moments of his game (claiming, his D1 entrance) have been pretty town. I'd say like 30% mafia, no comment on 3P.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:34 pm TL;DR: I think this is a pretty good look for LoMo. There's also a whole bunch of the sorts of offhand casual reads based on one post that I would expect from town!LoMo. Chance of mafia probably around 28%. I don't think 3P LoMo does the whole drawing attention watcher claim scenario either.

Just as a reminder and a refresher.

They also had done some for Act & Sonny/OC.

If the poisoner isn't Martin it's probably someone that hasn't claimed (Made, Mac, TangyStarkPrime).

I actually forgot LoMo was playing.

POE keeps leading me to the same small piles, so I think I'm just going to have to wait for Made to flip to determine how to proceed. I definitely think Made is the best chop on the board.

@lost monkey vote?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:22 am I actually forgot LoMo was playing.

That is indeed a vote.

Hello

I skimmed through the last few pages

I can't conceive many worlds with a town made and am happy to sleepwalk to a made exe today

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:29 am POE keeps leading me to the same small piles, so I think I'm just going to have to wait for Made to flip to determine how to proceed. I definitely think Made is the best chop on the board.

I would agree. If Made flips scum, the scramble will be to find Made's scum buddy, as well as the poisoner. My flip will just mean that you're going to have to be more accurate because the opportunity for mischops will grow smaller. If Made flips town, you're really going to have to be super accurate. Also, you need to look at the possibility of a really deep wolf in people who are consistently town read. It's too late to chop people just for playing scummy. You're going to have to put everyone in the PoE. No one should be getting an easy town pass at this point.

I take it we don’t care about testing alison’s claim today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:53 pm I take it we don’t care about testing alison’s claim today.

I’m fine with doing it just in case it’s a lie outright. If it’s true it’ll have little-to-no impact on my read though.

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

It’s tied (if my vote is doubled) and Made was there first. This doesn’t actually confirm anything in the current alignment.

If I don’t get the sense people are engaging or thinking the numbers through I will switch back.

I have an afternoon gardening job to go to in about half an hour and I don't expect to be back for EOD.
It is highly unlikely that I will survive the poison.
I want you all to know that I've had a lot of fun with this game. The cross-community game is awesome, and I am so happy that I got to play.
Please remember that the PoE now has to be everyone. Scum will be a lot harder to find at this point. Please don't assume that anyone is town on the basis of towny behavior! Anyway, those are my last words to you.
Good bye.
Go town!!!

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:04 pm I have an afternoon gardening job to go to in about half an hour and I don't expect to be back for EOD.
It is highly unlikely that I will survive the poison.
I want you all to know that I've had a lot of fun with this game. The cross-community game is awesome, and I am so happy that I got to play.
Please remember that the PoE now has to be everyone. Scum will be a lot harder to find at this point. Please don't assume that anyone is town on the basis of towny behavior! Anyway, those are my last words to you.
Good bye.
Go town!!!

Goodbye dear Gnome.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:07 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:04 pm I have an afternoon gardening job to go to in about half an hour and I don't expect to be back for EOD.
It is highly unlikely that I will survive the poison.
I want you all to know that I've had a lot of fun with this game. The cross-community game is awesome, and I am so happy that I got to play.
Please remember that the PoE now has to be everyone. Scum will be a lot harder to find at this point. Please don't assume that anyone is town on the basis of towny behavior! Anyway, those are my last words to you.
Good bye.
Go town!!!

Goodbye dear Gnome.

Goodbye, my dearest one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:49 am @lost monkey vote?

weirdly I’ve seen this before

3:30 eod is cruel

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:04 pm I have an afternoon gardening job to go to in about half an hour and I don't expect to be back for EOD.
It is highly unlikely that I will survive the poison.
I want you all to know that I've had a lot of fun with this game. The cross-community game is awesome, and I am so happy that I got to play.
Please remember that the PoE now has to be everyone. Scum will be a lot harder to find at this point. Please don't assume that anyone is town on the basis of towny behavior! Anyway, those are my last words to you.
Good bye.
Go town!!!

Martin I’m going to ask you a question which will certainly get Jay to suspect me for being the poisoner: do you have poison heals left?

My vote is on Made in spirit, but if I move it there it negates the Alison test.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:49 am @lost monkey vote?

weirdly I’ve seen this before

Seen what before where, and why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:51 pm My vote is on Made in spirit, but if I move it there it negates the Alison test.

As of right now the test is not active anyway. Made dies regardless of my vote count unless I have a triple or something.

I might just move back anyway. Alison is POE either way.

I feel more confident about Made than anyone else anyway. A test of this nature might be better left for a day when we have two equivalent options.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:49 am @lost monkey vote?

weirdly I’ve seen this before

Seen what before where, and why?

Daisy made a big deal of pinging LM to vote in skyrim

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Still open to the "test" dialogue if people care. Might not necessarily move again though. Orienting the wagons correctly demands attention.

I’m against tests of that sort in general. The vigilance required is harder to muster up than it is for a mafioso to disturb the process

Someone tell me what the test you're talking about is so I can tell you its a bad idea

Has Alison and Mac claimed?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:31 pm Has Alison and Mac claimed?

Alison claimed she can distribute +1 votes. She gave me one today.

Mac didn't claim.

The lack of claims from Made and Mac are among the worst things going for both of them. Well for Made it's one bad thing among a pile of bad things.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:26 pm Someone tell me what the test you're talking about is so I can tell you its a bad idea

Alison says she gave jay a double vote. It can be tested by making jay’s vote the tiebreaker.

It is not happening. I floated as a “hey this option exists if we want to do it” play, and no one seems to want to do it, so that’s that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:32 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:31 pm Has Alison and Mac claimed?

Alison claimed she can distribute +1 votes. She gave me one today.

Mac didn't claim.

Will we know it at the end of the day when the total vote is counted?

Mac not claiming looks bad.

Mac said he hasn’t claimed because his role looks bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:26 pm Someone tell me what the test you're talking about is so I can tell you its a bad idea

Alison says she gave jay a double vote. It can be tested by making jay’s vote the tiebreaker.

It is not happening. I floated as a “hey this option exists if we want to do it” play, and no one seems to want to do it, so that’s that.

If the vote is plus 1, wont it be shown at the end of the day when the vote is counted?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:33 pm Will we know it at the end of the day when the total vote is counted?

Doubt it. It can only be checked by a direct test.

I am ambivalent about the idea. Lying Alison is probably mafia. Truthful Alison can still be mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:34 pm Mac said he hasn’t claimed because his role looks bad.

Yeah I award no points for that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:34 pm Mac said he hasn’t claimed because his role looks bad.

He should just claim.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:26 pm Someone tell me what the test you're talking about is so I can tell you its a bad idea

Alison says she gave jay a double vote. It can be tested by making jay’s vote the tiebreaker.

It is not happening. I floated as a “hey this option exists if we want to do it” play, and no one seems to want to do it, so that’s that.

If the vote is plus 1, wont it be shown at the end of the day when the vote is counted?

This has not been the case on any previous days. Alison says she distributed vote bonuses every night except one.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:34 pm Mac said he hasn’t claimed because his role looks bad.

He should just claim.

@MacDougall u hearin this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:26 pm Someone tell me what the test you're talking about is so I can tell you its a bad idea

Alison says she gave jay a double vote. It can be tested by making jay’s vote the tiebreaker.

It is not happening. I floated as a “hey this option exists if we want to do it” play, and no one seems to want to do it, so that’s that.

Yeah that's a bad idea