Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[EnderWiggin]

i learned there was a 2nd mafia team just now

Do you have a reason for this statement or are you just taking Mac/PC solving as fact?

Because if you have actual reason for a 2nd mafia team that 100% changes things.

well it makes sense? why would the wolves have [soup] mafia next to their name unless there was 2 teams

and mac's solving seems legit and makes sense

Because Nook trolling players is p much a rite of passage.

[MacDougall]

I absolutely think town sig literally never shoots Alison and anyone who believes that is seriously misleading people.

this ties it up neatly

kate, golden, neon, sig - non-soup mafia. they both have 2 vigs (neon and sig)

soup mafia has: sabi, seanzie, alison, +1. 2 vigs (seanzie and the last unknown one, that alison covered for)

in this case they would be two identical teams, maybe even the same roles

I actually vibe very hard with this.

I would be surprised if Kate/Golden are together as w/w.

I also independently townread Neon outside her vig shot. (See my D1.)

Golden/Sig being non-soup mafia I could see.

And in this world my roleclaim is…

I've never seen a wolf neighbouriser before. /s

Yeah, my roleclaim would have to be a lie, I think.

Did you see the /s.

[MacDougall]

i learned there was a 2nd mafia team just now

Do you have a reason for this statement or are you just taking Mac/PC solving as fact?

Because if you have actual reason for a 2nd mafia team that 100% changes things.

well it makes sense? why would the wolves have [soup] mafia next to their name unless there was 2 teams

and mac's solving seems legit and makes sense

Because Nook trolling players is p much a rite of passage.

Alison died to wolf kp. Town never kills her. She was literally my top town. That shot would be generational and if she flipped town and sig claimed it we would have 10 votes on him.

[EnderWiggin]

I absolutely think town sig literally never shoots Alison and anyone who believes that is seriously misleading people.

this ties it up neatly

kate, golden, neon, sig - non-soup mafia. they both have 2 vigs (neon and sig)

soup mafia has: sabi, seanzie, alison, +1. 2 vigs (seanzie and the last unknown one, that alison covered for)

in this case they would be two identical teams, maybe even the same roles

I actually vibe very hard with this.

I would be surprised if Kate/Golden are together as w/w.

I also independently townread Neon outside her vig shot. (See my D1.)

Golden/Sig being non-soup mafia I could see.

And in this world my roleclaim is…

I've never seen a wolf neighbouriser before. /s

Yeah, my roleclaim would have to be a lie, I think.

No?

I've legitimately been in games with wolf neighbouriser.

It means shit and all.

You neighbourising your highest wolfread to try and make a deal with another mafia team is 100% on the cards for things you could do.

[Sloonei]

I am solving in multiball.

Why?

Sig shooting Alison makes him so likely to be other faction wolf...

What other faction?

It being multiball...

Why is it multiball?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Out of the “town core” the two I most suspected were Mac and Allison.

I still suspect Mac to a degree but I don’t want to paranoidly get rid of him yet.

Lily, Kate, Wilgy should all probably be looked at just for being so under the radar.

For the love of God, am I really utr? All I've had time to do this game was defend. Hmph.

You could solve instead of defend

Give me all your reads

[MacDougall]

Sweet. Ok then yeah it’s my fault nutella died. Sorry nut.

Hard-claiming town neighbourhood. I brought in Alison yesterday. I told her I’d bring nutella in as a test.

I also did not trust Alison and lied entirely about the nature of my neighbourhood to her. I brought her into the neighbourhood because I thought she was wolf. I redirected any kill shot on me onto her which is why I was double checking… mafia kill could have been Alison. I was hoping I’d played my ability up as powerful enough that I’d be the one targeted and Alison would take the hit. Meh, never mind.

Anyway, bringing nut in was also not the truth. I’ll quote everything Alison said to me in the neighbourhood in here in due course (Ie not while I’m at work) in case it spews anything.

Does this mean sig is lying?

I have no reason to think sig is lying. But if sig is wolf and the factional kill actually killed Alison, and they’ve got a secondary vig who killed pyxxy and then nutella… I guess it’s within the realms of possibility.

Alison being vig shot by town is something that happens in this game literally never. You are an outed wolf with sig.

I have a request.

Let’s not use ‘outed wolf’ eh?

I don’t want to end up in another heated situation.

Just talk about your read. You can think I’m wolf if you want.

Sure but in my head you are so hence why saying it.

I do not think this is conducive to a productive thread environment, Macwell.

It is possible for someone to accept a reality in which another player is convinced they are mafia no?

[EnderWiggin]

Mac, wtf is your solving today.

What is wrong with my solving?

You're bouncing off the weirdest walls.

Interesting way to discredit me.

Bruv.

I've said I agree with some of your takes and disagree with others, but it feels like you're throwing a new thought out every 3 posts and I'm not near able to keep up with wtf you're thinking rn.

I am solving in multiball.

I believe Scotty is clearly Seanzie's partner and the last one being a vig makes it pretty clear to me it's him given he's confirmed to be one now.

Sig shooting Alison makes him so likely to be other faction wolf trying to shoot a strong town it's impossible not to confbias it. Golden pushing him as clear means he's with sig almost always if I'm right about sig.

It being multiball means a world I thought not viable might actually be which is you being mafia and Rondo being town because your insistence of Rondo being a wolf doesn't clear you due to its obvious sincerity anymore since mafia are now confirmed to be able to real solve.

Can you case Scotty for me then? I think if you're right clearing Soup mafia reduces KP against town.

And I've already said I agree with the possible Sig/Golden thing.

It's more your Kate/Neon stuff and the me read that were very weird for me.

[MacDougall]

I am solving in multiball.

Why?

Sig shooting Alison makes him so likely to be other faction wolf...

What other faction?

It being multiball...

Why is it multiball?

The mafia faction has a name.

Alison is never killed by town KP.

When wolf bodies stack up from a named mafia faction and there are no flips from the other you're playing a Syndicate GOC multiball setup. I've seen it all before.

[Party Crasher]

to be fair i told my hydra partners that im planning on thunderdoming alison today, during last night, and im not mafia. but i still like the idea of multiball, also lily and ender seem to be softing (?) something about mech (?) about knowing theres another mafia. i didnt really get it

-t

[Party Crasher]

Out of the “town core” the two I most suspected were Mac and Allison.

I still suspect Mac to a degree but I don’t want to paranoidly get rid of him yet.

Lily, Kate, Wilgy should all probably be looked at just for being so under the radar.

For the love of God, am I really utr? All I've had time to do this game was defend. Hmph.

You could solve instead of defend

Give me all your reads

this can't be a real post

has to be w/w right?

why are you asking this of kate?

kate isn't even scumread?

[Sloonei]

I know I have not read a lot of things in this thread, but I really really did not feel like Alison deserved to be anybody's top town read.

[Sloonei]

I am solving in multiball.

Why?

Sig shooting Alison makes him so likely to be other faction wolf...

What other faction?

It being multiball...

Why is it multiball?

The mafia faction has a name.

Alison is never killed by town KP.

When wolf bodies stack up from a named mafia faction and there are no flips from the other you're playing a Syndicate GOC multiball setup. I've seen it all before.

This is all possible. But we have no reason to assume it is the case.

[MacDougall]

Mac, wtf is your solving today.

What is wrong with my solving?

You're bouncing off the weirdest walls.

Interesting way to discredit me.

Bruv.

I've said I agree with some of your takes and disagree with others, but it feels like you're throwing a new thought out every 3 posts and I'm not near able to keep up with wtf you're thinking rn.

I am solving in multiball.

I believe Scotty is clearly Seanzie's partner and the last one being a vig makes it pretty clear to me it's him given he's confirmed to be one now.

Sig shooting Alison makes him so likely to be other faction wolf trying to shoot a strong town it's impossible not to confbias it. Golden pushing him as clear means he's with sig almost always if I'm right about sig.

It being multiball means a world I thought not viable might actually be which is you being mafia and Rondo being town because your insistence of Rondo being a wolf doesn't clear you due to its obvious sincerity anymore since mafia are now confirmed to be able to real solve.

Can you case Scotty for me then? I think if you're right clearing Soup mafia reduces KP against town.

And I've already said I agree with the possible Sig/Golden thing.

It's more your Kate/Neon stuff and the me read that were very weird for me.

Neon stuff meaning me saying I vibe hard with PC'S solving? That's... a weird thing to take issue with.

Kate fits hand in glove with a Golden led hidden faction based on him shielding her, her being wolfy and Alison the Queen of soup having a near lock wolf read on her.

Scotty is simply clearly mafia with Seanzie on interactions and was the main person trying to save him. That's all there really is to it.

[Sloonei]

Giving the mafia faction a team name could just be a way to distinguish its informed members from lost wolves.

[MacDougall]

I am solving in multiball.

Why?

Sig shooting Alison makes him so likely to be other faction wolf...

What other faction?

It being multiball...

Why is it multiball?

The mafia faction has a name.

Alison is never killed by town KP.

When wolf bodies stack up from a named mafia faction and there are no flips from the other you're playing a Syndicate GOC multiball setup. I've seen it all before.

This is all possible. But we have no reason to assume it is the case.

I choose to act based on probability. To which right now I consider this a 99% probability which is far higher than my bar for acting assumptively. You do you.

[EnderWiggin]

to be fair i told my hydra partners that im planning on thunderdoming alison today, during last night, and im not mafia. but i still like the idea of multiball, also lily and ender seem to be softing (?) something about mech (?) about knowing theres another mafia. i didnt really get it

-t

Mac's insistence that the Alison shot comes from wolf is a bit weird.

I can see it as an option but I personally have seen weirder hero shots (though most of them fail spectacularly.)

I know there is at least 1 more SOUP mafia. I have no knowledge of multiball.

[EnderWiggin]

I also have no knowledge that says multiball CAN'T exist, though. So it's like, null.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

... Rondo was townier sorry

[Kate]

I think that Golden and Kate are wolves on the other mafia team btw.

not implausible. alison wanted golden dead all game (im unsure if she changed her read). if so, sig would be with them and he shot her

I absolutely think town sig literally never shoots Alison and anyone who believes that is seriously misleading people.

this ties it up neatly

kate, golden, neon, sig - non-soup mafia. they both have 2 vigs (neon and sig)

soup mafia has: sabi, seanzie, alison, +1. 2 vigs (seanzie and the last unknown one, that alison covered for)

in this case they would be two identical teams, maybe even the same roles

Do you seriously not know what my role is? Put your heads together and think. Or read.

[EnderWiggin]

Also multiball or no I still think Rondo is mafia lel.

[MacDougall]

I know I have not read a lot of things in this thread, but I really really did not feel like Alison deserved to be anybody's top town read.

In a world where there is one mafia team and Seanzie is a vig on it Alison should never have been read as his teammate even if it turned out to be accurate. She bussed him perfectly imo. I implore you to read the latter part of her iso. There's no indication she should be with him. Shooting her as a townie makes no sense if you analyse the eod with depth.

[MacDougall]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

... Rondo was townier sorry

I also want it on the record that I have creature as town in my notes so this statement doesn't pass the pub test for me.

[EnderWiggin]

I know I have not read a lot of things in this thread, but I really really did not feel like Alison deserved to be anybody's top town read.

In a world where there is one mafia team and Seanzie is a vig on it Alison should never have been read as his teammate even if it turned out to be accurate. She bussed him perfectly imo. I implore you to read the latter part of her iso. There's no indication she should be with him. Shooting her as a townie makes no sense if you analyse the eod with depth.

This is where I point out that I can easily see a town vig not analysing EOD with depth.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

town vig claims:

scotty, silent shot iawy d2
neon, shot sabi n1, creature n2
sig, shot alison n2

i guess its not that many, i thought more

seanzie and unknown soup mafia also vigs. both night vigs

tsp might have killed himself by visiting a kiwi vt? whats up with that

I shot tsp holy fuck I've said this 10 times

[EnderWiggin]

This is why I'm finding Mac's reads rn actually kinda weird. There's assumptions in there that just don't measure up to my understanding of mafia play whatsoever.

[EnderWiggin]

Like, a decent number of the things are possible, I'll grant you that.

But the certainty is fuckin' wild.

[Party Crasher]

Out of the “town core” the two I most suspected were Mac and Allison.

I still suspect Mac to a degree but I don’t want to paranoidly get rid of him yet.

Lily, Kate, Wilgy should all probably be looked at just for being so under the radar.

For the love of God, am I really utr? All I've had time to do this game was defend. Hmph.

You could solve instead of defend

Give me all your reads

@Neon i opened your iso and control + f'd "Kate". i see no mention of her in the last few pages, your last post on her is on page 5 and you say she's null to you. correct me if im wrong

i find it really weird that you make this post at her now, at this time. it read awkward / partnery to me. it makes me feel like you're trying to distance / not look partnery

[Kate]

I know there are questions out there for me and I'm happy to see the thread getting exciting so I wish I could play more but my head is killing me and I have stupid court early tomorrow so I'm off. Night!

Ps svs I'd like to see day 3 svs now please. Love ya xo.

[MacDougall]

I know I have not read a lot of things in this thread, but I really really did not feel like Alison deserved to be anybody's top town read.

In a world where there is one mafia team and Seanzie is a vig on it Alison should never have been read as his teammate even if it turned out to be accurate. She bussed him perfectly imo. I implore you to read the latter part of her iso. There's no indication she should be with him. Shooting her as a townie makes no sense if you analyse the eod with depth.

This is where I point out that I can easily see a town vig not analysing EOD with depth.

And then they should into the POE or kill Rondo like they're supposed to.

I'm giving town sig credit that he wouldn't be so reckless with kp.

[EnderWiggin]

(Not a wolfy weird, yet. Also I didn't see what he's seeing with Scotty which probably doesn't help.)

[Sloonei]

I know I have not read a lot of things in this thread, but I really really did not feel like Alison deserved to be anybody's top town read.

In a world where there is one mafia team and Seanzie is a vig on it Alison should never have been read as his teammate even if it turned out to be accurate. She bussed him perfectly imo. I implore you to read the latter part of her iso. There's no indication she should be with him. Shooting her as a townie makes no sense if you analyse the eod with depth.

Nah, Alison is capable of bussing teammates, even if their roles are useful. I think you are giving too much weight to the perceived value of Seanie's ability.

It's also possible that a town vig (sig) did not read or consider any of these points at all. I would not have. Based on behavior alone, Alison was a viable suspect.

[Party Crasher]

town vig claims:

scotty, silent shot iawy d2
neon, shot sabi n1, creature n2
sig, shot alison n2

i guess its not that many, i thought more

seanzie and unknown soup mafia also vigs. both night vigs

tsp might have killed himself by visiting a kiwi vt? whats up with that

I shot tsp holy fuck I've said this 10 times

wait what?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i learned there was a 2nd mafia team just now

Me too. I don't believe it.

[EnderWiggin]

I know I have not read a lot of things in this thread, but I really really did not feel like Alison deserved to be anybody's top town read.

In a world where there is one mafia team and Seanzie is a vig on it Alison should never have been read as his teammate even if it turned out to be accurate. She bussed him perfectly imo. I implore you to read the latter part of her iso. There's no indication she should be with him. Shooting her as a townie makes no sense if you analyse the eod with depth.

This is where I point out that I can easily see a town vig not analysing EOD with depth.

And then they should into the POE or kill Rondo like they're supposed to.

I'm giving town sig credit that he wouldn't be so reckless with kp.

"Man why would town be this stupid."

Mafia players since whenever it was first played.

[Party Crasher]

oh u killed both. ok

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think that Golden and Kate are wolves on the other mafia team btw.

not implausible. alison wanted golden dead all game (im unsure if she changed her read). if so, sig would be with them and he shot her

I absolutely think town sig literally never shoots Alison and anyone who believes that is seriously misleading people.

this ties it up neatly

kate, golden, neon, sig - non-soup mafia. they both have 2 vigs (neon and sig)

soup mafia has: sabi, seanzie, alison, +1. 2 vigs (seanzie and the last unknown one, that alison covered for)

in this case they would be two identical teams, maybe even the same roles

I actually vibe very hard with this.

I would be surprised if Kate/Golden are together as w/w.

I also independently townread Neon outside her vig shot. (See my D1.)

Golden/Sig being non-soup mafia I could see.

Congrats your the only person in this gave not living in a tin foil house reading the game on a ton foil computer.

[MacDougall]

In the interest of not getting into a back and forth slapfight with anyone I'm going to focus on townsolving for the next while and won't be answering questions about my scumreads.

[Party Crasher]

yea i still dont see how nutella dies (even if she was innocent child) over neon who shot a wolf (if neon is town)

explain how

[Sloonei]

It is really really not difficult for me to envision a world where town sig shoots Alison in this game.

[EnderWiggin]

yea i still dont see how nutella dies (even if she was innocent child) over neon who shot a wolf (if neon is town)

explain how

The magic of wifom.

[Party Crasher]

yea i still dont see how nutella dies (even if she was innocent child) over neon who shot a wolf (if neon is town)

explain how

The magic of wifom.

wifom doesnt revive a dead corpse (if neon is town) (and she shot a wolf n2)

[Party Crasher]

yea i still dont see how nutella dies (even if she was innocent child) over neon who shot a wolf (if neon is town)

explain how

could mean multiball and they just didnt wanna cross kill?

i dunno

i think a lot of kills have been weird this game. coming from the mafia. and a lot of plays. multiball would explain some weird / questionable plays on the mafia team behalf

[Lilypetal]

mac's solving seems really towny especially for him

I mean I have been vocally of the opinion Mac is town for days now, so that fits fine with me.

Can you elaborate though?

the way mac is trying to world build is reminiscent of all of his town games in these same spots

objectively it's day 3 and jumping right into solving worlds is just a good look. ik it's one he can fake as a wolf but I town read him outside of it anyway

[EnderWiggin]

yea i still dont see how nutella dies (even if she was innocent child) over neon who shot a wolf (if neon is town)

explain how

The magic of wifom.

wifom doesnt revive a dead corpse (if neon is town) (and she shot a wolf n2)

I have left vigs alive because I'm certain they will shoot a town over me.

I have also been shot in the face for this as wolf.

But that was one time it went horribly badly. Most other times I'm correct and I get free KP from town.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Out of the “town core” the two I most suspected were Mac and Allison.

I still suspect Mac to a degree but I don’t want to paranoidly get rid of him yet.

Lily, Kate, Wilgy should all probably be looked at just for being so under the radar.

For the love of God, am I really utr? All I've had time to do this game was defend. Hmph.

You could solve instead of defend

Give me all your reads

this can't be a real post

has to be w/w right?

why are you asking this of kate?

kate isn't even scumread?

Kill me and find out

Losing town kp would be pretty dope

[MacDougall]

Nutella seems pretty obviously to be the soup mafia factional kill given she was the main reason Seanzie died. That's a "we can't ever push her anymore" type kill.

Not that I think it happened but it's not entirely impossible that both mafia teams shot Nutella. I've seen it before.

The idea that Neon always has to die over Nutella is probably not a fair one given Nutella is probably more of a threat to wolves than Neon due to wim and persuasiveness in thread (no offence Neon, it's more of a Nutella is a goat than an indictment on you), and she was just really really obviously not with Seanzie.

[MacDougall]

@Sloonei how many GOCs have there been that weren't multiball btw?

[MacDougall]

Neon is also absolutely spewing towny entitlement right now to the point where it's like almost townslipping. That attitude is impossible to disregard, it's palpable. I will be stunned if Neon is mafia and is able to project that emotion through the screen that well.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

... Rondo was townier sorry

I also want it on the record that I have creature as town in my notes so this statement doesn't pass the pub test for me.

I want it on the record that I'm not you

I'm an independent person I don't need to see the game the way you do to be town and if I see someone soft defending someone while voting them and they flip wolf I'm going to shoot them