Re: Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:31 pm
Yes.Ricochet wrote:Hosts: can a baddie send in the kill and also perform its usual ability, during a Night phase?
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Yes.Ricochet wrote:Hosts: can a baddie send in the kill and also perform its usual ability, during a Night phase?
Let's go through this by steps...Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yes, because reasons.FZ. wrote:MM, do you have a really goo reason to trust Matt?
If he's bad, he would have been a fool to try to nightkill you or myself last night, which is why the kill choice points to him.
But this silencing bizness Matt is talking about, I don't understand. He says I should, but I don't.
1) YesMatt wrote:Let's go through this by steps...Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yes, because reasons.FZ. wrote:MM, do you have a really goo reason to trust Matt?
If he's bad, he would have been a fool to try to nightkill you or myself last night, which is why the kill choice points to him.
But this silencing bizness Matt is talking about, I don't understand. He says I should, but I don't.
1) Do you remember what I did last night?
2) How is it possible Sorsha is silenced?
3) The only way it's possible, is if bea, using her position 4 power of redirect, redirected me off of a certain someone.
I'm not really understanding how you're having trouble with this.
And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.
Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.
I have reason to believe her vote is not helpful for her. I might have finally done something good.Ricochet wrote:And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.
Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.
If you mean as a night poll effect, then yes. Gross.
If there is a silencer, I don't know who it is. All I'm saying, is that if bea REDIRECTED me off of someone last night, based on what I can do, then and only then is it possible Sorsha was even silenced in the first place. That's all I'm trying to say.Metalmarsh89 wrote:1) YesMatt wrote:Let's go through this by steps...Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yes, because reasons.FZ. wrote:MM, do you have a really goo reason to trust Matt?
If he's bad, he would have been a fool to try to nightkill you or myself last night, which is why the kill choice points to him.
But this silencing bizness Matt is talking about, I don't understand. He says I should, but I don't.
1) Do you remember what I did last night?
2) How is it possible Sorsha is silenced?
3) The only way it's possible, is if bea, using her position 4 power of redirect, redirected me off of a certain someone.
I'm not really understanding how you're having trouble with this.
2) I don't think it's possible, unless she self-targeted or somethign
3) I'm still not sure I follow. I don't believe you have the ability to silence, nor FZ, so no matter how you look at it, I'm not sure this is related.
Cheeky cheeky.FZ. wrote:I have reason to believe her vote is not helpful for her. I might have finally done something good.Ricochet wrote:And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.
Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.
If you mean as a night poll effect, then yes. Gross.
I went to the first page to check who this Napoleon person is and I don't see that roleRicochet wrote:Then again, what's stopping us from profiling you as Napoleon Foy, FZ., despite the audacity of there being two vote wipers in the same team?
It's an extrapolation from all the baddie/indy roles in Llama's eligible games, a list I already posted Even Matt mentioned it.FZ. wrote:I went to the first page to check who this Napoleon person is and I don't see that roleRicochet wrote:Then again, what's stopping us from profiling you as Napoleon Foy, FZ., despite the audacity of there being two vote wipers in the same team?
True enough.FZ. wrote:In any case, do you really think there would be two who have the same power? isn't that a little lame?
What's an alignment switch?Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
An alignment switch? Oh that's right, you mean like a seemer.Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
Zebra's role had some kind of trickery with faking alignments. I'm asking MM if he thinks Team Llama had something similar.FZ. wrote:What's an alignment switch?Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
Which would explain why you think she's good...Matt wrote:Zebra's role had some kind of trickery with faking alignments. I'm asking MM if he thinks Team Llama had something similar.FZ. wrote:What's an alignment switch?Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
Perhaps. I also happen to believe I know which game her role is from, which would fit with her being on Team Llama, IMO.FZ. wrote:Which would explain why you think she's good...Matt wrote:Zebra's role had some kind of trickery with faking alignments. I'm asking MM if he thinks Team Llama had something similar.FZ. wrote:What's an alignment switch?Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
Zebra was not a seemer. So there is a window left for a seemer.Matt wrote:Perhaps. I also happen to believe I know which game her role is from, which would fit with her being on Team Llama, IMO.FZ. wrote:Which would explain why you think she's good...Matt wrote:Zebra's role had some kind of trickery with faking alignments. I'm asking MM if he thinks Team Llama had something similar.FZ. wrote:What's an alignment switch?Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
Still, though, is it possible two teams could seem players?
We don't even know what Mac's role was. What could he protect from.Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's an easy way to balance teams out, put similar roles on either team.
I would argue yes. Plus zebra's wasn't exactly a seemer. It could not protect her own team, only impact civs.
Idk, I'd endorse for us to keep talking, at least for another 9 replies.FZ. wrote:I think we're at a point where we're over analysing. I get why you're not willing to let what you know go, Matt, but first, look how many civvies were wrong based on information, and second, it does make sense that if one group has something, the other will have that too. Especially since coming back good is a very important power for baddies.
Sorsha is bad, period. If it's anyone else, I'll bow in the face of genius (sadly, that's not me, LOL)
I asked Mac if his role sounded like Boolean Boy yesterday. He did not react at all, so perhaps he had no clue wtf I was talking about, and it's not actually a role.Ricochet wrote:It's an extrapolation from all the baddie/indy roles in Llama's eligible games, a list I already posted Even Matt mentioned it.FZ. wrote:I went to the first page to check who this Napoleon person is and I don't see that roleRicochet wrote:Then again, what's stopping us from profiling you as Napoleon Foy, FZ., despite the audacity of there being two vote wipers in the same team?
But yeah, you're clearly not paying attention to anything I'm writing. Oh well.![]()
What? Mac was a role from llama's Brian Eno Mafia, and his ability was a Protector.FZ. wrote:We don't even know what Mac's role was. What could he protect from.Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's an easy way to balance teams out, put similar roles on either team.
I would argue yes. Plus zebra's wasn't exactly a seemer. It could not protect her own team, only impact civs.
Well, we still have three hours, and tbh, I'm not entirely sold on you being good.FZ. wrote:I think we're at a point where we're over analysing. I get why you're not willing to let what you know go, Matt, but first, look how many civvies were wrong based on information, and second, it does make sense that if one group has something, the other will have that too. Especially since coming back good is a very important power for baddies.
Sorsha is bad, period. If it's anyone else, I'll bow in the face of genius (sadly, that's not me, LOL)
Actually, civilians won every Game of Champions thus far. :PFZ. wrote:I'm going to bed. If the game ends tonight, please wait for me for the partyAnd don't change your mind. This is going to be a civvie win. I asked before but no one answered: Did the civvies win a championship game before?
linki: Where I come from, a protector could also protect from night investigation or any other target that could harm you. But if it's a known role then I don't know what I'm talking about
Are you a member of mafia?FZ. wrote:Is there anything more to discuss before I go to sleep?
First though, I think I have to run down at the farmacy at 11:40pm. I'm out of nose drops.Metalmarsh89 wrote:New single game post record goes to Ricochet. He gets lynched Day 1, but still manages to spew out 1,500 posts.
The last person to suss a person who trusted her was Lorab who sussed HB (I think it was him). That was one of the things that made me suspicious of her. Sorsha kept options open.Matt wrote:Well, we still have three hours, and tbh, I'm not entirely sold on you being good.FZ. wrote:I think we're at a point where we're over analysing. I get why you're not willing to let what you know go, Matt, but first, look how many civvies were wrong based on information, and second, it does make sense that if one group has something, the other will have that too. Especially since coming back good is a very important power for baddies.
Sorsha is bad, period. If it's anyone else, I'll bow in the face of genius (sadly, that's not me, LOL)
I also think it's possible that wrong information exists, however, consider this...
If I had stumbled onto Sorsha being civvie and she really wasn't, then why did she continue to suss me? Believe me, I've even dropped hints to her in thread that I knew her role, yet she continued to suss me. If she was bad, why wouldn't Sorsha use me as her little civ play toy and buddied me up?
I dunno. I think it's highly convenient that you wanted to analyze everything earlier, and now that we have three votes on Sorsha, it's time to call it quitsies and go home. If there were two vote manips on the Harry Stephen Keeler indy team, why couldn't there be on this game's baddie team?
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ScandalousMetalmarsh89 wrote:Actually, civilians won every Game of Champions thus far. :PFZ. wrote:I'm going to bed. If the game ends tonight, please wait for me for the partyAnd don't change your mind. This is going to be a civvie win. I asked before but no one answered: Did the civvies win a championship game before?
linki: Where I come from, a protector could also protect from night investigation or any other target that could harm you. But if it's a known role then I don't know what I'm talking about
But I think the last one was controversial because of info shenanigans.
FZ usually goes to bed around this time, I think.Matt wrote:Well, we still have three hours, and tbh, I'm not entirely sold on you being good.FZ. wrote:I think we're at a point where we're over analysing. I get why you're not willing to let what you know go, Matt, but first, look how many civvies were wrong based on information, and second, it does make sense that if one group has something, the other will have that too. Especially since coming back good is a very important power for baddies.
Sorsha is bad, period. If it's anyone else, I'll bow in the face of genius (sadly, that's not me, LOL)
I also think it's possible that wrong information exists, however, consider this...
If I had stumbled onto Sorsha being civvie and she really wasn't, then why did she continue to suss me? Believe me, I've even dropped hints to her in thread that I knew her role, yet she continued to suss me. If she was bad, why wouldn't Sorsha use me as her little civ play toy and buddied me up?
I dunno. I think it's highly convenient that you wanted to analyze everything earlier, and now that we have three votes on Sorsha, it's time to call it quitsies and go home. If there were two vote manips on the Harry Stephen Keeler indy team, why couldn't there be on this game's baddie team?
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No, plain and simple. I can also tell you that my role comes from a game that had no revealed roles from yet. I believe I'm the only one.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Are you a member of mafia?FZ. wrote:Is there anything more to discuss before I go to sleep?
I was lynched Day 1, so not my fault.DharmaHelper wrote:ScandalousMetalmarsh89 wrote:Actually, civilians won every Game of Champions thus far. :P
But I think the last one was controversial because of info shenanigans.
Ok, which game?FZ. wrote:No, plain and simple. I can also tell you that my role comes from a game that had no revealed roles from yet. I believe I'm the only one.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Are you a member of mafia?FZ. wrote:Is there anything more to discuss before I go to sleep?
Again, Frisky Dingy kinda fits.FZ. wrote:No, plain and simple. I can also tell you that my role comes from a game that had no revealed roles from yet. I believe I'm the only one.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Are you a member of mafia?FZ. wrote:Is there anything more to discuss before I go to sleep?
Go check my ISO post called "DAY 3.5" and tell me how my walkthrough reads out to you. Including Mac's final vote being to push FZ into the tie. Is that really FZ teamie indicative?Matt wrote:I keep going back to the day Lorab was lynched.
Despite vote shenanigans, no matter how you cut it, Wilgy changed his vote last second. So did Golden, but Wilgy didn't know that.
3J, Lorab, MM, and FZ were part of the four way tie that day.
3J was civ. Lorab was Noses. Wilgy actually VOTED for MM.
So who does that leave us with?
I'm not saying I'm definitely going to switch back, but you can't ignore Wilgy's switch that day.
You positive?Metalmarsh89 wrote:You're allowed to say your own role and/or what game it comes from, as far as I know.
It's that you're not allowed to discuss nightpoll outcomes, nor are you allowed to reveal anything about players other than yourself.