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Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:41 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:10 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:20 pm top 2 town and top 2 mafia?
Currently?

Nanook and Lily.

Belzy and Dya. Maybe Neon instead of Dya.
Actually Wisp and Lily.

I forgot how towny votecount on D1 is for Wisp.
Lilypetal is pretty convinced that if there's a wolf that's trying to snow me here that it's Ilario.

Do you really think that we'd be in this gamestate if the solve was 3 of Belzy/Dya/Neon/Porscha without Ilario playing the way that he has intentionally to support them? If I think of that mafia team, I struggle to see how Ilario would have had to have accidentally wolfsided to the degree that he would have to make it viable.

I have mentioned at times that I think illario is possible wolf.

I am however focusing on my Dya read. Not going to bother with thinking about anything else until this is done.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:46 am**

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:47 am**

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.
yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that
Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?
I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.
ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?
aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:49 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm Wisp Voters: Seanzie, Belzy, MacDougall, staypositivefriend (+Alison in spirit)

This slot literally cannot be town...

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:50 am**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm I just don't feel like aro believes any of his votes so far lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:55 pm [VOTE: millium] aubergine

choo choo

Bruh

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:50 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:50 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:52 pm I just don't feel like aro believes any of his votes so far lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:55 pm [VOTE: millium] aubergine

choo choo
Bruh

@Millium bruh how u be townreading Lily from your vantage point if town?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:52 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:34 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:23 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:22 am Esp if we hit a wolf I can just rb belzy plus one other person

And then say a kp goes through the night then the other person might be clear
Mac you should seriously consider this if you think I’m town and can trust me
It is going to heavily depend on who's getting chopped instead.

@MacDougall let me ask you something

take flips out of the game. take out the fact on perceived player skill. whose been right. whose been wrong. remove all that and focus purely on posting. take out the idea of how you would expect certain slots to play if theyre mafia or town, pretend these are all strangers to you. take out spew as well.

tell me who are the 2 most scummiest slots/2 least towny slots to you

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:53 am**

and i dont mean belzy

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:53 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:34 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:23 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:22 am Esp if we hit a wolf I can just rb belzy plus one other person

And then say a kp goes through the night then the other person might be clear
Mac you should seriously consider this if you think I’m town and can trust me
It is going to heavily depend on who's getting chopped instead.

@MacDougall let me ask you something

take flips out of the game. take out the fact on perceived player skill. whose been right. whose been wrong. remove all that and focus purely on posting. take out the idea of how you would expect certain slots to play if theyre mafia or town, pretend these are all strangers to you. take out spew as well.

tell me who are the 2 most scummiest slots/2 least towny slots to you

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:53 am**

it isnt

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:53 am**

Belzy and Nanook
3rd place is you

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:54 am**

welp then nvm about this exercise LOL, lets just go for belzy

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:55 am**

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:01 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:00 pm So I dont have to bother looking at this thread anymore while I'm busy, and stress myself out.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine
Good luck
Bruh wisp ;/

Plz don’t do this, you can self pres on Porscha. Why are you doing this??

A fair and valid question indeed

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:56 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:54 am welp then nvm about this exercise LOL, lets just go for belzy

anyways, the team is rondo/wisp/belzy

after reading d1 again i wanna flip rondos slot the most today but ill leave it upto mac

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:57 am**

chance of neon in there, but i dont really think anyone else is a wolf outside those 4 names

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 am**

Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?

Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.

Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.

Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.

If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.

And you're operating entirely around all of them.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:04 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 am Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?

Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.

Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.

Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.

If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.

And you're operating entirely around all of them.

If you aren't mafia then Lilypetal is almost always mafia for trying to convince me that you're the mafia instead of going after someone in this group (ie. Dyachei mainly).

I think there's probably a single town inside Lilypetal/Ilario/Dyachei/Millium. It's either Lilypetal or you I think.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:04 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 am Bro I just think you're mafia you're just ignoring all the stacks of evidence against actual wolves and pushing randoms. Dyachei, Lilypetal and Millium all hard threw themselves into saving Porscha. If there are no wolves in that group what the fuck were the mafia even doing?

Dyachei's day 1 was entirely comprised of antagonising townies (mostly Seanzie). Literally townreads Aro until EOD and comes in throws a random vote on him and then starts representing it like it was a godread.

Lilypetal was pretty much openwolfing to shield Porscha at times and pushing townies.

Millium straight up refused to self preservation vote Porscha, his wagon before it fell apart has nothing but dead town on it.

If there are no wolves in three three we deserve to lose.

And you're operating entirely around all of them.

okay lets get millum then

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:07 am**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:33 pm why do i have three votes? are yall that lazy to find a wolf in the people who have played?

@staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Tilgarial

Pop quiz. What are the alignments of these three slots?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:08 am**

millums decision to give the gift to me doesnt make sense, he said our reads aligned but i was pushing him and seven at eod whilst he was calling it a tvt wagon. i think belzy has had tmi on millums slot, there was a lot of nuance to his push on wisp i think porcha saying "eh idc" when voting wisp on d1 can also be partnery since a wolf voting a town would probably try to come up with something better than that. spf was calling out wisps handling of belzys push d1 too.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:09 am**

On day you have 1 (possibly 2 if millium is one) wolf wagons.

You think the wolves are entirely players outside the arogame vote that contributed dick and balls to the actual outcome of arogame's death?

As opposed to a player who literally was townreading him, dropped it for no valid reason and then hard pushed him.

As opposed to a player who literally self voted instead of voting out Porscha.

As opposed to a player who literally made this post.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:44 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:33 am exercise for y'all

which players have confident reads they shouldn't have
I want to say Porscha on Lily tbh
why? lol

this is probably the most interesting take I could see
Bruh, weren’t u surprised as well with how confident she came to tr u at the time?
not a single bit lol porscha and I have played like a dozen games together in the past 2 months or so

she is one of my hydra partners after all :3

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:10 am**

rondos d1 is howling and wisp kinda struggles with tmi. i remember the reason i trd him in finals was because he was the only other person that was sus of lumi and tilg with me that game. i dont think wisp would be overly enthused to rand wolf in a team of porcha/belzy/rondo considering he doesnt know any of them and after so many wolf rands i can see him just asking them to bus him on d1.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:10 am**

Ilario, have you read the day 1 back since it occurred?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:11 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:10 am Ilario, have you read the day 1 back since it occurred?

i am in the process of doing that. i started it previously on another day but got busy and stopped. i started again fresh not long ago with belzy and now ur alignment confirmed in mind

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 am**

Dya's top two scum

Rondo/Nanook

Ilario's little bait before?

MAC ASK YOURSELF WHO THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS ARE IGNORING ALL EVIDENCE JUST THE TWO PLAYERS THAT ARE BEING THEIR USUAL OBSTINATE SELVES

nah man I think the jig is up

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 am**

lily is an awkward wet noodle as a wolf. i dont really think its her

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:13 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 am lily is an awkward wet noodle as a wolf. i dont really think its her

Fucken bullshit she is. Lily is a beast.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:13 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 am Dya's top two scum

Rondo/Nanook

Ilario's little bait before?

MAC ASK YOURSELF WHO THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS ARE IGNORING ALL EVIDENCE JUST THE TWO PLAYERS THAT ARE BEING THEIR USUAL OBSTINATE SELVES

nah man I think the jig is up

i think nook is lock town lol, the correct answer to that question is that nook is town. he doesnt made a single scummy post all game

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:14 am**

or hes 3p, but hes not a wolf

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:17 am**

How the fuck are you gonna sit here and watch dyachei go through an entire mafia game burying town and low flying and completely disregard the possibility they are mafia the entire time?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:18 am**

Okay Ilario let's play a game. I'm gonna pull a few quotes. You tell me why a town makes the post.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:21 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:17 am How the fuck are you gonna sit here and watch dyachei go through an entire mafia game burying town and low flying and completely disregard the possibility they are mafia the entire time?

i have regarded the fact that they may just be pocketing me but i need a better argument than them burying town because i think other villagers have buried more town

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:22 am**

Hold that thought I'm downloading more information.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:24 am**

@ilario start here with me. Let's unpack this together.

viewtopic.php?p=975213#p975213

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:24 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?
Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio
are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?
Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

Nanook is

Lock town

Agreed?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:25 am**

I know you agree you already said he was. So that's great. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you have been upgraded to incontrovertible town by all participants. You will now be getting night killed in this game because you are a green check.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:25 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:24 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?
Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio
are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?
Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig
Nanook is

Lock town

Agreed?

sure, idt hes scum

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:26 am**

Okay I clicked ur link, pg 42

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:26 am**

Now like...

Lilypetal can read Porscha.

Porscha isn't a hard read.

How is Lilypetal not just outed for those posts?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:27 am**

Or at least let's agree that this, and this alone, puts Lilypetal into the firm POE for us to continue to look for reasons to resolve. Can we agree on that?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:28 am**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?
Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio
are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?
Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig
If Nanook is town, this makes me feel better because these are people that can also read Porscha fairly well lol
and when porscha flips V you'll be able to blame those pesky porscha voters that can read her well for getting her alignment wrong?

this doesnt feel like tmi

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:29 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:27 am Or at least let's agree that this, and this alone, puts Lilypetal into the firm POE for us to continue to look for reasons to resolve. Can we agree on that?

im happy to put her into the look into pile if you feel strongly enough about it

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:29 am**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm See this is what I mean, I bounce my vote around and every time it’s met with “omg, why does this person deserve this many votes”
i mean i checked vc and she had 5 votes

and i just looked at her iso and saw nothing bad

so im rightfully confused?
So can you explain why you believe I’m scummy then?
how about u dont vote lhf the entire game if ur town

Not only is Lily absolutely fiercely defensive of Porscha (who was straight up in her obvious wolf meta)...

Lily is burying Arogame for sussing her.

Like, Lilypetal is a must resolve.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:28 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:42 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:40 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?
Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio
are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?
Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig
If Nanook is town, this makes me feel better because these are people that can also read Porscha fairly well lol
and when porscha flips V you'll be able to blame those pesky porscha voters that can read her well for getting her alignment wrong?
this doesnt feel like tmi

Get real man you are acting like Lilypetal is fucking Hydreigon25. Have you actually seen Lilypetal wolf?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am**

Do you really think that Lilypetal does not have the skill as a mafia player to fake that post?

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am**

I’ve seen her wolf yeah , she’s pretty decent at it

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:31 am**

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?
The last time you defended her like this you were scum. You didn't seem to have a problem eliminating her in the Night Before Terror

Interesting post from our dearly departed.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:31 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am Do you really think that Lilypetal does not have the skill as a mafia player to fake that post?

If it were just a singular post in an otherwise bad iso then I would be more bothered. I am keeping in mind her posts earlier to me a few hours ago that felt really towny

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am**

The closest thing to lilys wolf game is that some of her townreads have at times felt like tmi to me, she tends to tmi alota villagers as wolf lol

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am**

Yes Lilypetal has been townie since, ergo I am not going to tunnel her but wolfy players do towny shit. They also do wolfy shit. The towny shit doesn't undo the fact that Lilypetal pretty much outed to save Porscha, someone who is polarised.

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