The Syndicate

I'm not bad, Golden, and if you're looking for someone bad it's Bubbles.

You aren't hold a coherent theory together. First I was bad on elimination, then I was definitely Falcone, now I'm just not civ? Which is it? Whatever's most convenient for you to push?
Then with Bubbles, first she was 100% civ, and you were going to prove it and now you're conceding that the points against her are good-- or at least some of them are.

If we cannot make a concensus about who we think the Scarecrow is I will be voting for B is for Baddie Bubbles.

I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

I mean, I know you're kind of on my side on the bussing argument, but I also voted Sabie.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

I mean, I know you're kind of on my side on the bussing argument, but I also voted Sabie.

I read all your sabie/sprit stuff yesterday, when I was trying to figure out if I thought you fit the mould of Falcone. I felt like you were on the fence enough about which to vote that you were ready to go whichever way was advantageous. I think you are much more likely to have been bussing Sabie then, than you would be to be bussing Bubbles now if she came back bad.

I think that might be mold, not mould.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why would Scarecrow be honest?

Why would scarecrow lie? Both sides create wifom. I don't think we can assume that Scarecrow would do one or the other.

Well considering that the possible Scarecrow list consists of self reporters, why wouldn't he just say he was targeted? He knows everyone he targeted so he could just pick a night he targeted someone dead. Why wouldn't he lie?

I think DH is more likely to have targeted me than not.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why would Scarecrow be honest?

Why would scarecrow lie? Both sides create wifom. I don't think we can assume that Scarecrow would do one or the other.

Well considering that the possible Scarecrow list consists of self reporters, why wouldn't he just say he was targeted? He knows everyone he targeted so he could just pick a night he targeted someone dead. Why wouldn't he lie?

I think DH is more likely to have targeted me than not.

You not being targetted is interesting. It gave me a brief moment of paranoia, but I don't think you are the Scarecrow. But I do think it means you are in a telling position, in terms of mayeb having some insight into who would have targetted you by now.

I certainly would have targetted you

I would have targetted Typhoony too

Dom would have targeted me too I think, tbh.

@Dom - btw, yesterday as in day 9 gamewise.

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

I mean, I know you're kind of on my side on the bussing argument, but I also voted Sabie.

I read all your sabie/sprit stuff yesterday, when I was trying to figure out if I thought you fit the mould of Falcone. I felt like you were on the fence enough about which to vote that you were ready to go whichever way was advantageous. I think you are much more likely to have been bussing Sabie then, than you would be to be bussing Bubbles now if she came back bad.

And when both come back then? Am I some how going to be bad? Is your narrative going to shift to that I must be a terribly malicious inmate or something?

I understand how the Sabie vote could look, which is why I haven't brought it up until now, but I have only tried to hunt baddies.

@Dom - I don't think any inmate is 'terribly malicious' - I made clear from day zero my focus is on mafia. If Bubbles was lynched and came back bad, I think it likely I wouldn't go after you any more.

I'm having trouble thinking of who juliets would target. In my mind she is more likely to ask Epi if she can also win by not targetting anyone.
I think she would not be quick to target me or svs though.

Typhoony wrote:I'm having trouble thinking of who juliets would target. In my mind she is more likely to ask Epi if she can also win by not targetting anyone.
I think she would not be quick to target me or svs though.

I agree. I don't think Juliets would target SVS unless she needed to.

Typhoony wrote:I'm having trouble thinking of who juliets would target. In my mind she is more likely to ask Epi if she can also win by not targetting anyone.
I think she would not be quick to target me or svs though.

This.

Also trying to think who specifically would target Golden day one.

I could see Enrique, DH, or Typh doing that.

I would've needed an early civ read on Golden to target him n1 with Bullock as target, which I didn't have.
I want some thought on juliets. Do people think she can be scarecrow?

I could also see Jules not lying about being targeted. Lying is not something that automatically comes to mind for her, I think.

SVS, do you think Juliets would have targeted me if she was the Scarecrow?

That I cannot say; I agree with Typh, though, about who she would NOT have targeted until she had no choice.

It's true I would not have targeted Typh or SVS until late in the game but I also wouldn't have targeted Golden first. I would have targeted people I didn't know very well in the beginning. I am not the scarecrow but I can't think of any good way to prove it to you. I'm also not a good candidate for a lynch.

Also thank you Typhoony, it's not but what are you going to do except accept it and move on. And Golden thank you too

Dom wrote:I could see Enrique, DH, or Typh doing that.

I couldn't.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Dom wrote:I could see Enrique, DH, or Typh doing that.

I couldn't.

Not me, not you, not Typh?

Not me.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Dom wrote:I could see Enrique, DH, or Typh doing that.

I couldn't.

I think you would have targeted me at some point. Probably early, I would think. Maybe Day 1.

I don't know of any reason why Typh would specifically target Golden night 1. Or why he would not. No opinion here.

Enrique & Golden went nose to nose Day One, but *Enri* was the one screaming about how the inmates were bad bad bad, so I am not sure what I think of that. Him being one does not come right to mind.

I don't think Enrique is Mafia, but I think he could be inmate despite his yelling about them. Enrique has a tendency to talk about his role/role type in the thread often. i witnessed this in my first game when he repeatedly brought up the Haitian in teh thread during Heroes Mafia. HE was teh Hatian.

Sorry for being inactive, I'll check in after the next phase has started in Turf Wars.

lmao I don't remember that game at all but it's cool that you remember. I have a whole meta that even I'm not aware of apparently.

I'm civ in this game tho and I really wanna nail the Scarecrow ASAP. The game is getting small small small and he's just gonna continue to fuck with everybody till nobody really wins.

It was one of my first lessons in Mafia-- taught my Illyria

S~V~S wrote:

Typhoony wrote:I'm having trouble thinking of who juliets would target. In my mind she is more likely to ask Epi if she can also win by not targetting anyone.
I think she would not be quick to target me or svs though.

This.

Also trying to think who specifically would target Golden day one.

Yeah, it's an interesting question, right? I feel like it could be telling except that this group is full of the old crowd, and then you have someone like Enrique who is we are much newer to each other but we were quarrelling on night 0...

I don't think Enrique is scarecrow since he started this convo today.

Golden, so anyone who starts a conversation about finding a particular role isn't that particular role?

Dom wrote:Golden, so anyone who starts a conversation about finding a particular role isn't that particular role?

I mean I think he was genuinely targetted last night. His words sound genuine. Also, I think if someone wanted to distance themselves from being the Scarecrow they'd do it long before day 10.

I'm not saying that I can't be the Scarecrow, but I'm not. I brought this up because I got Scarecrow'd last night, otherwise there's no incentive really. Nobody was talking about the Scarecrow, and the last person to bring him up (Mac) is dead and buried.

You already used this against me earlier in the game, Dom, remember how I was the Joker? Well maybe I talk about my role sometimes but I also like talking about roles in general. This particular one had been floating under my radar but being his victim is not cool

^ (I just did a search and turns out the thing about Mac is inaccurate; MP brought him up in Day 8 and then there was that whole conversation about Golden. Point still stands, though.)

Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

What are you thinking?

Have any of the Scarecrow suspects gone after any of the Scarecrow victims? I feel that can be a good indicator. The Scarecrow does not want any of it's victims dead.

Matt wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

What are you thinking?

Little late in the game to be lurking especially after she's taken heat for that whacked out vote.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

What are you thinking?

Little late in the game to be lurking especially after she's taken heat for that whacked out vote.

I was thinking along those lines...

More like, Golden said she has trouble lying as a baddie, so maybe that's why she didn't post.

Matt wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

What are you thinking?

Little late in the game to be lurking especially after she's taken heat for that whacked out vote.

I was thinking along those lines...

More like, Golden said she has trouble lying as a baddie, so maybe that's why she didn't post.

Btw, I'd like to point out that SVS has hardcore fucked with my mind. I intentionally left out a "derp" at the end of that post because I didn't want SVS thinking I was bad for it.

DERP DERP DERP

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

I don't really know the answer to that. When she has been not civ in the past she hasn't lasted long.

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:Golden, so anyone who starts a conversation about finding a particular role isn't that particular role?

I mean I think he was genuinely targetted last night. His words sound genuine. Also, I think if someone wanted to distance themselves from being the Scarecrow they'd do it long before day 10.

I forgot he said he was targeted.

Matt wrote:

Matt wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:Golden - As a civ, is Bubbles more or less likely to read the thread and not post anything? Same question as a baddie, I suppose. Last night she was lurking but didn't post.

What are you thinking?

Little late in the game to be lurking especially after she's taken heat for that whacked out vote.

I was thinking along those lines...

More like, Golden said she has trouble lying as a baddie, so maybe that's why she didn't post.

Btw, I'd like to point out that SVS has hardcore fucked with my mind. I intentionally left out a "derp" at the end of that post because I didn't want SVS thinking I was bad for it.

DERP DERP DERP

Ha ha ha~

Actually you would have to go into derp overdrive to catch up to GOC since you have more posts here, so you are safe from me using Derpanomics against you

Even if Bubbles is bad, do we think she's the Scarecrow? Because I'd like to take out Scarecrow first unless Falcone plans on taking out MP soon (no offense MP).

Matt wrote:Even if Bubbles is bad, do we think she's the Scarecrow? Because I'd like to take out Scarecrow first unless Falcone plans on taking out MP soon (no offense MP).

I don't think she is Scarecrow. She definitely didn't visit the site in about a three day (real life) period before the dawning of this day, because I checked her most recent visit time very early in this day period. And if Enrique isn't Scarecrow (for example, because Bubbles was) there is no reason for him to lie about being targetted last night.

This day seems to be going nowhere. If we can get enough people to pop in, maybe we should do a G2H.

I'd like a civ/bad/inmate GTH. I'm having trouble figuring out how some people would differentiate their civ/inmate play.