The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:05 pm There’s zero proof we have multiple teams and it’s weird that suddenly once we’ve got a full flips Mac wants to fully commit to finding “this other team”

I’m unsure if he thinks there are two teams or if he can’t handle that he was so wrong about Sean/Allison or what, but it’s again playing into his super erractjce playstyle this game
I am fully committing to finding the other team because currently there are a lot more of them. And I also think the seanzie team's chances of winning this mafia game have come to an end with Alison's death.

There is zero evidence of said “other team”

All your doing is diverting attention from the known mafia members it’s illogical or scummy
Sig says zero evidence

named faction
named 3p faction with a name that implies multiple members (cough this is a non town extra faction)
KP out the ass everywhere
Syndicate GOC
Mafia always have names

whaaaaat

Named faction is the Soup mafia? You’re saying since they have a name it means there are two teams this isn’t logical

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm The simple fact is you can’t settle on me literally every time you post you change your mind on what I am.

I think you’re mad that I hero vigged someone you were town reading so you’re scrambling

I need to iso you but Mac isn’t wrong that the posts he’s posting don’t support that you would choose to vig Alison.

Could you explain exactly what changed and why?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:01 pm @Sloonei how many GOCs have there been that weren't multiball btw?

I don't know. Probably a few. I don't think this game needs to follow the conventions of every GoC ever. It's already been quite different thematically and structurally than previous installments.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm**

A third party team is not a "gee guys they're just some 3ps ya know".

It's literally a second non town faction. It's literally a minority faction.

The team is called Mod Squad. Ilario has partners. They are not town partners.

We are in multiball demonstrably. Please stop humouring the idea that we are not. The only question is whether we have two MAFIA factions PLUS the "third" party, but that would make them "fourth" party so I am just going to assume the second faction is the ilario team.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:14 pm Alright friendos

I know mafia is going to get us worked up and stuffs and I'm certainly someone who gets toxic sometimes.

But we are all friends here and we all sign up to this game knowing we are gonna get accused of lying and being evil and murdering our friends

And people might not always agree with what we see and it sucks knowing your town and people don't understand what your seeing and trying to tell people and can't word well enough for them to get it.

But we are all friends. I love you all. And I don't want this game to get toxic again so like I think we should all give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they aren't trying to piss us off or ruin our games or insult us.

Because in almost all cases I do not think that's true I think we are all just worked up and anxious and want to win and we misunderstand things

Tldr I love you all uwu let's be kinder and give people more benefit of the doubt
u say this 5 mins after u get mad at me for scumreading u

At no point was I mad lol

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm**

Sig can be mafia.

Literally was in my POE before the shot so I'm happy to say if we assume Multiball to leave Sig in there.

However I don't think Neon is ever mafia. I still don't think Mac is mafia.

I also still think Rondo is 100% wolf.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:12 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:09 pm

Do you really think I am mafia? Unreal.
if theres only 1 mafia i think youre probably in it. alison defended u for no reason. you could be making a hail mary play with the multiball stuff (even though im having similar thoughts and im not mafia)
Literally spewed clear from Sabi and am one of the main reasons Seanzie got POE'd and his wagon didn't die. And I am vibing your solving and want to work with you. Please.
And Alison went after Sean also?

You literally said there was no way they’re on a team together in your world.

Or maybe you’re on said “other team”
Sure go ahead. Push that idea. Go ahead. Please. I implore you to case me.

You’re being unnecessarily aggressive and paranoid so no imma just ignore you for now
Okay then don't call me mafia if you aren't going to back it up.

Same to you.

Since you’re not “backing it up” with anything besides the fact that I changed my mind on a player which you’ve spent all game doing.

I mean shit you snarkly told someone that’s how the game worked literally last phase

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm**

Who shot ilario again? Seanzie right? Soup mafia?

Cool, mafia on mafia kill. Easy clap.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:12 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:11 pm

if theres only 1 mafia i think youre probably in it. alison defended u for no reason. you could be making a hail mary play with the multiball stuff (even though im having similar thoughts and im not mafia)
Literally spewed clear from Sabi and am one of the main reasons Seanzie got POE'd and his wagon didn't die. And I am vibing your solving and want to work with you. Please.
And Alison went after Sean also?

You literally said there was no way they’re on a team together in your world.

Or maybe you’re on said “other team”
Sure go ahead. Push that idea. Go ahead. Please. I implore you to case me.

You’re being unnecessarily aggressive and paranoid so no imma just ignore you for now
Okay then don't call me mafia if you aren't going to back it up.
Same to you.

Since you’re not “backing it up” with anything besides the fact that I changed my mind on a player which you’ve spent all game doing.

I mean shit you snarkly told someone that’s how the game worked literally last phase

Not backing it up? I've supplied more receipts than anyone needs to chop anyone in any given game and you've lied multiple times in defending yourself.

On day 2, your last stated read on Alison is to call her t/t with Golden.

You shot her.

You shot a townread.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm**

Sig, the townie who shoots his townreads y'all.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm**

Also I seriously think Golden is town for how he treated his claim on reread tbh.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:08 pm There is no way known to man sig is a town that shot Alison. Please read his interactions with Alison.

There's just no way. None. Zip zilch nada. That a town sig if he had no information, shoots someone he was talking to the way he was talking to Alison, who TOWNread him, and wasn't in the POE. None. Please. Stop. Humouring. It. It's not a reality. Never.
So there is a not impossible pathway to that.

The pathway is that sig shot pyxxy and Nutella and the mafia targeted me and it redirected to Alison and so sig was forced to vig claim the Alison kill.

It’s a path that feels improbable to me but given a kill from soup mafia targeting me would have killed Alison, it’s not impossible.
Errr this reality makes sig mafia anyway so ...

what?

That’s literally what I’m saying. There is a pathway to sig being soup mafia.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm**

You know what'd be funny?

If Sig shot Golden and killed Alison that way.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm**

Once again, I would to say that I am not rejecting the idea that we are in a multiball game. I was one of the first people to suggest it, even if it was indirect and quiet. I am just saying that I'm not operating from the point of view that we are definitely in a multiball game.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm**

is anyone else a dnd role except kate? (is she even one? she has to be coz of nutella's claim that she has lowkey mech info that kate is town? i havent read kate's posts i dont konw what she claimed)

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm Sig can be mafia.

Literally was in my POE before the shot so I'm happy to say if we assume Multiball to leave Sig in there.

However I don't think Neon is ever mafia. I still don't think Mac is mafia.

I also still think Rondo is 100% wolf.

If Rondo is mafia and is with Seanzie and Alison then Alison's play makes little sense.

Rondo can be other faction because there was a lot of pushing away from Rondo too, onto the likes of Marmot and SVS. SVS literally begged me to shoot her and feels like a lonely island and is presently in my towncore btw.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm**

Oh I'm just repeating what has been said lol. For some reason didn't realise.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm Once again, I would to say that I am not rejecting the idea that we are in a multiball game. I was one of the first people to suggest it, even if it was indirect and quiet. I am just saying that I'm not operating from the point of view that we are definitely in a multiball game.

You should because it's mod confirmed via Ilario's role.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm**

Someone tell me why we are ignoring these players and why I should believe they are town outside of any vibe reads

Players

DrWilgy
hollowkatt
Lilypetal
master radishes
Porscha

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:08 pm There is no way known to man sig is a town that shot Alison. Please read his interactions with Alison.

There's just no way. None. Zip zilch nada. That a town sig if he had no information, shoots someone he was talking to the way he was talking to Alison, who TOWNread him, and wasn't in the POE. None. Please. Stop. Humouring. It. It's not a reality. Never.
So there is a not impossible pathway to that.

The pathway is that sig shot pyxxy and Nutella and the mafia targeted me and it redirected to Alison and so sig was forced to vig claim the Alison kill.

It’s a path that feels improbable to me but given a kill from soup mafia targeting me would have killed Alison, it’s not impossible.
Errr this reality makes sig mafia anyway so ...

what?
That’s literally what I’m saying. There is a pathway to sig being soup mafia.

Yeah cool so he's either mafia or mafia. I'm glad to vibe with something on you.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:18 pm Sig can be mafia.

Literally was in my POE before the shot so I'm happy to say if we assume Multiball to leave Sig in there.

However I don't think Neon is ever mafia. I still don't think Mac is mafia.

I also still think Rondo is 100% wolf.
If Rondo is mafia and is with Seanzie and Alison then Alison's play makes little sense.

Rondo can be other faction because there was a lot of pushing away from Rondo too, onto the likes of Marmot and SVS. SVS literally begged me to shoot her and feels like a lonely island and is presently in my towncore btw.

My Rondo scumread is independent of the other wolves so sure.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:22 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm You know what'd be funny?

If Sig shot Golden and killed Alison that way.

Hey... that's why I asked if sig was maybe lying

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:22 pm**

Except it's gonna take some convincing that soup mafia is a faction of greater than 4 and I am pretty locked in on Scotty having way too much skin in the game when it came to trying to save Seanzie. You kind of only have to read the last few pages of the EOD to see it.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm**

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm Someone tell me why we are ignoring these players and why I should believe they are town outside of any vibe reads

Players

DrWilgy
hollowkatt
Lilypetal
master radishes
Porscha

DrWilgy has hit townpoint multiple times over multiple days.

100% not with Soup mafia

Mayyyybe outside chance of being non-Soup mafia but I still townread them.

Lily had some clearing reactions IMO but in multiball that means less.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm**

The problem with my worldview is that the town faction are still pretty far behind and I think a lot of the people not really trying are actually town. Like a lot a lot.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm Someone tell me why we are ignoring these players and why I should believe they are town outside of any vibe reads

Players

DrWilgy
hollowkatt
Lilypetal
master radishes
Porscha
DrWilgy has hit townpoint multiple times over multiple days.

100% not with Soup mafia

Mayyyybe outside chance of being non-Soup mafia but I still townread them.

Lily had some clearing reactions IMO but in multiball that means less.

Wilgy has also hard pushed sig and is literally never on his team.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm The simple fact is you can’t settle on me literally every time you post you change your mind on what I am.

I think you’re mad that I hero vigged someone you were town reading so you’re scrambling
I need to iso you but Mac isn’t wrong that the posts he’s posting don’t support that you would choose to vig Alison.

Could you explain exactly what changed and why?

Yea I already laid it out above.

Pre the Sean flip I thought (and still do) the POE being tossed around was 100% horrible filled with low hanging fruit with very little reasoning.

The thread was being run by a town core who wasn’t townie and I knew (which I said) one of said town core members wasn’t a town.

It was just a matter of picking which one and Allison lack of aggressiveness, Me civ reading her/her not pushing me, and gut led me to decide to shoot her.

Furthermore the entire premise that if I wasn’t civ I’d claim is kinda ridiculous. I wasn’t in extreme danger of being voted off today even though I was in POE I’d also say the fact Sean flipped mafia helps to further clear me.

Look Mac is being paranoid and wants to ignore the mafia team I don’t know why.

He also again is just jumping around from theory to theory. First there was another mafia team, then he seized on the 3rd oarty team, now he says there could be both. There isn’t any reason to randomly decide

1. I’m hunting another mafia team that might or might not exist
2. Let’s go 3P hunting after we get 3 mafia members down

SINCE if we assume there’s only one mafia team we’ve got another 3-5 members to lynch, 2 of the kills came from Vig shots so it isn’t like town is doing so hot from a voting perspective. We should be fosucing on hunting the known mafia members and it’s crazy we aren’t tbh

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:22 pm Except it's gonna take some convincing that soup mafia is a faction of greater than 4 and I am pretty locked in on Scotty having way too much skin in the game when it came to trying to save Seanzie. You kind of only have to read the last few pages of the EOD to see it.

I gotta focus on work soon so will need to come back to this. But I promise to reread EOD with this in mind and see if I agree.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm**

I thought there was one bad team because of how the tie breaker rule is worded:

Voting is plurality by default, with no hammer. If there is a change to how voting works, it will be announced. Ties are determined by the group mafia. If no tiebreaker is submitted within 5-10 minutes of the day ending, the tie will be resolved in mafia’s favor (and/or randomized if the tie is between players of the same alignment

This implies one mafia, does it not?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm You know what'd be funny?

If Sig shot Golden and killed Alison that way.

I’m not sure if vig shots or only mafia shots count but yeah I guess it could be either way around. Either way, they had to kill nutella as well to know that it was safe to claim the Alison kill.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm Someone tell me why we are ignoring these players and why I should believe they are town outside of any vibe reads

Players

DrWilgy
hollowkatt
Lilypetal
master radishes
Porscha
DrWilgy has hit townpoint multiple times over multiple days.

100% not with Soup mafia

Mayyyybe outside chance of being non-Soup mafia but I still townread them.

Lily had some clearing reactions IMO but in multiball that means less.
Wilgy has also hard pushed sig and is literally never on his team.

So in your world state he could still be mafia then?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm**

im holding onto a silly drwilgy scumread from d1

i thought hkatt was town coz he got mad at guillo. but he hasnt done anything

lily has to be town. townread by a lot of ppl. and stuff. i dunno

mr can die

porscha i think is town. i dont think she can fool everyone as mafia that much (at least not me). she looks way too towny. i thought that shes a vig from her attitude but maybe not

-t (this has been all tutuu today except one post scumreading mac earlier that was syn i think)

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:25 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm I thought there was one bad team because of how the tie breaker rule is worded:

Voting is plurality by default, with no hammer. If there is a change to how voting works, it will be announced. Ties are determined by the group mafia. If no tiebreaker is submitted within 5-10 minutes of the day ending, the tie will be resolved in mafia’s favor (and/or randomized if the tie is between players of the same alignment
This implies one mafia, does it not?

This could indeed reinforce why you might have an effective mafia team (the mod squad) that is counted as 3p not mafia.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:25 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm I thought there was one bad team because of how the tie breaker rule is worded:

Voting is plurality by default, with no hammer. If there is a change to how voting works, it will be announced. Ties are determined by the group mafia. If no tiebreaker is submitted within 5-10 minutes of the day ending, the tie will be resolved in mafia’s favor (and/or randomized if the tie is between players of the same alignment
This implies one mafia, does it not?

oh i didnt see this good catch svs

group mafia implies one big mafia team, and one or more lost wolves

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm**

Players

112 - wolfy
DrWilgy - wolfy
Dyslexicon - towny
EnderWiggin - towny
falcon45ca - towny
Golden - towny
Guillotine - idk lol
hollowkatt - idk lol
Kate - wolfy
Lilypetal - wolfy
MacDougall - towny
Marmot - idk lol probably towny on claim
master radishes - wolfy
Michelle - towny
Neon - towny
Party Crasher - idk lol
Porscha - towny probably but is only on vibes
RondoDimBuckle - idk lol
S~V~S - wolfy
Scotty - wolfy
sig - wolfy
Sloonei - idk lol
Urist - wolfy but everyone told me repeatedly I'm wrong

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm Sig, the townie who shoots his townreads y'all.

Are you bothering to read my posts?

Follow up have you ever played with me before?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm The simple fact is you can’t settle on me literally every time you post you change your mind on what I am.

I think you’re mad that I hero vigged someone you were town reading so you’re scrambling
I need to iso you but Mac isn’t wrong that the posts he’s posting don’t support that you would choose to vig Alison.

Could you explain exactly what changed and why?
Yea I already laid it out above.

Pre the Sean flip I thought (and still do) the POE being tossed around was 100% horrible filled with low hanging fruit with very little reasoning.

The thread was being run by a town core who wasn’t townie and I knew (which I said) one of said town core members wasn’t a town.

It was just a matter of picking which one and Allison lack of aggressiveness, Me civ reading her/her not pushing me, and gut led me to decide to shoot her.

Furthermore the entire premise that if I wasn’t civ I’d claim is kinda ridiculous. I wasn’t in extreme danger of being voted off today even though I was in POE I’d also say the fact Sean flipped mafia helps to further clear me.

Look Mac is being paranoid and wants to ignore the mafia team I don’t know why.

He also again is just jumping around from theory to theory. First there was another mafia team, then he seized on the 3rd oarty team, now he says there could be both. There isn’t any reason to randomly decide

1. I’m hunting another mafia team that might or might not exist
2. Let’s go 3P hunting after we get 3 mafia members down

SINCE if we assume there’s only one mafia team we’ve got another 3-5 members to lynch, 2 of the kills came from Vig shots so it isn’t like town is doing so hot from a voting perspective. We should be fosucing on hunting the known mafia members and it’s crazy we aren’t tbh

Please explain the bolded. How am I "ignoring" the mafia team? I have already offered my solution for that faction.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm The simple fact is you can’t settle on me literally every time you post you change your mind on what I am.

I think you’re mad that I hero vigged someone you were town reading so you’re scrambling
I need to iso you but Mac isn’t wrong that the posts he’s posting don’t support that you would choose to vig Alison.

Could you explain exactly what changed and why?
Yea I already laid it out above.

Pre the Sean flip I thought (and still do) the POE being tossed around was 100% horrible filled with low hanging fruit with very little reasoning.

The thread was being run by a town core who wasn’t townie and I knew (which I said) one of said town core members wasn’t a town.

It was just a matter of picking which one and Allison lack of aggressiveness, Me civ reading her/her not pushing me, and gut led me to decide to shoot her.

Furthermore the entire premise that if I wasn’t civ I’d claim is kinda ridiculous. I wasn’t in extreme danger of being voted off today even though I was in POE I’d also say the fact Sean flipped mafia helps to further clear me.

Look Mac is being paranoid and wants to ignore the mafia team I don’t know why.

He also again is just jumping around from theory to theory. First there was another mafia team, then he seized on the 3rd oarty team, now he says there could be both. There isn’t any reason to randomly decide

1. I’m hunting another mafia team that might or might not exist
2. Let’s go 3P hunting after we get 3 mafia members down

SINCE if we assume there’s only one mafia team we’ve got another 3-5 members to lynch, 2 of the kills came from Vig shots so it isn’t like town is doing so hot from a voting perspective. We should be fosucing on hunting the known mafia members and it’s crazy we aren’t tbh

Was your shot role or gift?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pm**

"The Mod Squad" could also be a small team that works against the town without performing a regular factional kill. We do not know what ilario's role actually did. I would not consider that a mafia team, and thus would not consider this multiball. But that's getting into pointless semantics.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:21 pm Someone tell me why we are ignoring these players and why I should believe they are town outside of any vibe reads

Players

DrWilgy
hollowkatt
Lilypetal
master radishes
Porscha
DrWilgy has hit townpoint multiple times over multiple days.

100% not with Soup mafia

Mayyyybe outside chance of being non-Soup mafia but I still townread them.

Lily had some clearing reactions IMO but in multiball that means less.

I like vibe with Wilgy but I don't see what makes them town

Lily is not even close to the town lily I know and adore

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm Sig, the townie who shoots his townreads y'all.
Are you bothering to read my posts?

Follow up have you ever played with me before?

Yes sig. But your explanation is "I shot Alison because I knew the towncore was infiltrated and chose her over others because she town read me".

1. We just killed a mafia. Why does your immediate reaction become "TOWNCORE MUST BE BOGUS".
2. The latter explanation is incomprehensible to me.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:28 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pmmultiball

even just a single neutral 3p makes a game multiball technically but yeah its just semantics

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:28 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pm "The Mod Squad" could also be a small team that works against the town without performing a regular factional kill. We do not know what ilario's role actually did. I would not consider that a mafia team, and thus would not consider this multiball. But that's getting into pointless semantics.

Are they town?

Are they a faction?

With a win condition?

They are a third faction.

Multiball is by definition town playing against multiple factions.

Yes it's semantics.

You're using semantics to try to win a semantic argument that's lost. There are members of a non soup mafia non town team in this game trying to win it.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:29 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pmmultiball
even just a single neutral 3p makes a game multiball technically but yeah its just semantics

A 3p faction with multiple members is the very definition of it imo.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:29 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm im holding onto a silly drwilgy scumread from d1

i thought hkatt was town coz he got mad at guillo. but he hasnt done anything

lily has to be town. townread by a lot of ppl. and stuff. i dunno

mr can die

porscha i think is town. i dont think she can fool everyone as mafia that much (at least not me). she looks way too towny. i thought that shes a vig from her attitude but maybe not

-t (this has been all tutuu today except one post scumreading mac earlier that was syn i think)

I've seen HK get very very bad as wolf and I would expect more from HK as town. I've only resisted pushing there because I like HK and feel bad pushing them while they are sick

Porscha I largely TR but I don't think we give Porscha enough credit when we day they are always polarized and a bad wolf

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:30 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:23 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:16 pm The simple fact is you can’t settle on me literally every time you post you change your mind on what I am.

I think you’re mad that I hero vigged someone you were town reading so you’re scrambling
I need to iso you but Mac isn’t wrong that the posts he’s posting don’t support that you would choose to vig Alison.

Could you explain exactly what changed and why?
Yea I already laid it out above.

Pre the Sean flip I thought (and still do) the POE being tossed around was 100% horrible filled with low hanging fruit with very little reasoning.

The thread was being run by a town core who wasn’t townie and I knew (which I said) one of said town core members wasn’t a town.

It was just a matter of picking which one and Allison lack of aggressiveness, Me civ reading her/her not pushing me, and gut led me to decide to shoot her.

Furthermore the entire premise that if I wasn’t civ I’d claim is kinda ridiculous. I wasn’t in extreme danger of being voted off today even though I was in POE I’d also say the fact Sean flipped mafia helps to further clear me.

Look Mac is being paranoid and wants to ignore the mafia team I don’t know why.

He also again is just jumping around from theory to theory. First there was another mafia team, then he seized on the 3rd oarty team, now he says there could be both. There isn’t any reason to randomly decide

1. I’m hunting another mafia team that might or might not exist
2. Let’s go 3P hunting after we get 3 mafia members down

SINCE if we assume there’s only one mafia team we’ve got another 3-5 members to lynch, 2 of the kills came from Vig shots so it isn’t like town is doing so hot from a voting perspective. We should be fosucing on hunting the known mafia members and it’s crazy we aren’t tbh
Please explain the bolded. How am I "ignoring" the mafia team? I have already offered my solution for that faction.

What you’re doing is ignoring the known mafia team by coming and wanting to lead a witch-hunt on a faction that might not exist (other mafia team)

Then it seems like you suddenly remembered the third party faction existed and want to lead town on a third party hunt.

So you’re ignoring the known and likely only mafia team to go on a wild goose chase

This is when we’ve got 3 mafia flips in a team of 6-8 and after you spent multiple day phases bemoaning how town was getting destroyed by mafia.

It makes no logical sense why you aren’t picking through the ISO of the two flipped players unless you’re either super paranoid or a member of their team and scrambling to distract

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:30 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:24 pm I thought there was one bad team because of how the tie breaker rule is worded:

Voting is plurality by default, with no hammer. If there is a change to how voting works, it will be announced. Ties are determined by the group mafia. If no tiebreaker is submitted within 5-10 minutes of the day ending, the tie will be resolved in mafia’s favor (and/or randomized if the tie is between players of the same alignment
This implies one mafia, does it not?
oh i didnt see this good catch svs

group mafia implies one big mafia team, and one or more lost wolves

Seems entirely plausible there are no lost wolves here tbh?
~sheep

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:32 pm**

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm Players

112 - wolfy
DrWilgy - wolfy
Dyslexicon - towny
EnderWiggin - towny
falcon45ca - towny
Golden - towny
Guillotine - idk lol
hollowkatt - idk lol
Kate - wolfy
Lilypetal - wolfy
MacDougall - towny
Marmot - idk lol probably towny on claim
master radishes - wolfy
Michelle - towny
Neon - towny
Party Crasher - idk lol
Porscha - towny probably but is only on vibes
RondoDimBuckle - idk lol
S~V~S - wolfy
Scotty - wolfy
sig - wolfy
Sloonei - idk lol
Urist - wolfy but everyone told me repeatedly I'm wrong

urist voting against seanzie wagon and being ride or die that golden is mafia makes him likely just a wolf at this point, if there are more than 1 member of soup mafia left or im wrong on scotty urist is someone who needs death.

SVS is just town for voting me. Scotty was pushing to get people to vote me all end of day and implying he was gonna end there and in the end chased a random Marmot CFD to try to save Seanzie instead. Scotty needs a cold cold bullet.

Lilypetal has done nothing but shield me and act confused, which I don't really understand the mafia faculty of, she is not pushing any team wolf agenda but should could easily be a 3p or just a town that's not posting much. I agree it's out of her meta.

Haven't seen marmot's claim yet but I think the way the eod went makes him quite likely not with seanzie or rondo.

Got no real comment on the rest of your reads.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:32 pm**

HK is kinda sick atm.

I know that from out of game.

Unfortunately, that means his play will be abnormal. (This is not a defense but anyone claiming HK definitely would town it up right now are probs wrong. Also I would expect something from them eventually?)

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:34 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm Sig, the townie who shoots his townreads y'all.
Are you bothering to read my posts?

Follow up have you ever played with me before?
Yes sig. But your explanation is "I shot Alison because I knew the towncore was infiltrated and chose her over others because she town read me".

1. We just killed a mafia. Why does your immediate reaction become "TOWNCORE MUST BE BOGUS".
2. The latter explanation is incomprehensible to me.

I was solidly convinced a member of the town core was mafia that flip didn’t matter to me at all. Since town core wouldve bussed

One of the like 5 reasons was she town read and I town read her yes.

Since when we’re both town 90% of the time we never town read each other. She was pocketing me which don’t get me wrong I enjoyed but the more I thought about it the less I liked it.

It’s like DDL with me whenever he town reads me he then pushes me. Same sort of logic.

If you mean the second part of the last portion it’s simple I do all sorts of stuff when I have a shot that might not make sense. I shot Nutella last GOC even though she was universally town read.

The Syndicate

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