The Syndicate

Interested on any and all opinions on DH's thing about being disappointed if he 'loses' after being lynched and others who stay alive 'win'...

Am I being overly paranoid to feel like its a slip?

Golden wrote:I don't think there is any way epi will give a win to people who aren't playing.

Also, I know in my case, that my death is not what will determine whether I win, so it's interesting you are equating death with loss.

Personally I think there's a difference between actually winning, and being on the winning team. That difference is death. I don't care about wins wasn't alive for. Take my opinion on the subject with a pinch of salt though, it's not like I ever actually win anything.

S~V~S wrote:
Bullzeye: Blendy as always. A possible baddie. Or not. I don't recall much he has said, and GTH means no ISOs lol.

Since when am I "always" blendy? I don't really remember anything you've said either tbf and you've made loads more posts than I have.

Golden wrote:Or are they aware of the Penguin being alive at any time recently?

I'm pretty sure the Riddler is still around.

I wonder if the Penguin is dead, it's been a long time since anyone suggested someone's actions might be down to him. I agree that Riddler is probably still around, but most of the curses seem to be gone by now.

Matt wrote: Bullzeye - Town/indy, leaning indy

This should be interesting.


I did a G2H thing but pretty much everyone was down as a civ so I've scrapped it.

ok voted lorab cause i gotta get off and there isnt many others that stand out

But why, Bubbles?

Well, it makes me think he has no "victims" since that would be an amazingly hypocritical thing to say if he had victims. And DH is not someone I have ever vieed as a hypocrite

I don't think he is a baddie or the Scarecrow.

Linki, you can be pretty blendy, Bullz. I have no clue about you, either way. You could be bad, or not. :Shrug:

Linki, ha ha

@Bullz - I do understand your perspective, but does the impact you had matter? Like, even in games where you have to be alive to win, I'll feel like a winner if I was a big help to my team and they end up winning.

yo wth i never said im an obvious civ, why are you making things up? i dont talk like that lol.

I'm curious as to where the juliets/Scarecrow connections are coming from? I could maybeee see it but I've been reading her as civ all game.

Typh, I like your idea of cross checking suspects vs victims. I'll see if I can do some research when I'm home later.

Seriously Bubbles?

I was leaning towards a Dom vote today, but I think I'm going to end up voting Bubbles tbh. I feel she's bad, and even if that means the game ends and I lose (assuming she's the last baddie), oh well.

Linki - Oh, Enrique? Could've swore you recently said you were. I'll ISO you real quick.

@Matt - I think a Dom vote is a great vote!!!

I will definitely vote for Dom if I can get enough others voting that way.

Bubbles wrote:* agree with matt about lorab

also if lorab is a girl i'm sorry for the pronoun mixup :P

OK, this just got me. I am voting for Bubbles. I don't want to vote for Jules today, and I just don't think DH is that role.

Linki @ Enri, yeah, suspects vs. victims, this is why I am thinking Jules could be Scarecrow.

@Matt - there is zero chance of bubbles being the last baddie. She didn't send in a PM last night.

Matt wrote:Seriously Bubbles?

I was leaning towards a Dom vote today, but I think I'm going to end up voting Bubbles tbh. I feel she's bad, and even if that means the game ends and I lose (assuming she's the last baddie), oh well.

Linki - Oh, Enrique? Could've swore you recently said you were. I'll ISO you real quick.

I did cross myself off my own list for obvious reasons but like... come on that's not the same thing lol.

Golden, was the Falcome cop lynched?

Enrique wrote:My list isn't a list of possibilities as such. I took myself and MP out of it for obvious reasons.

Apologies. I was vaguely thinking of this post when mentioning the "obvious civ" thing, but what you were saying was that you obviously weren't Scarecrow.

I also won't be voting for juliets today.

Golden wrote:@Bullz - I do understand your perspective, but does the impact you had matter? Like, even in games where you have to be alive to win, I'll feel like a winner if I was a big help to my team and they end up winning.

I dunno, I just personally don't feel like I won unless I was alive at the end. Can't really explain why, I just don't. Perhaps it's because I've played so many games where you HAD to be alive to be counted as a winner.

S~V~S wrote:Golden, was the Falcome cop lynched?

No, as far as we know there could still be two of them alive. Bubbles could be the cop, but as Dom pointed out she wouldn't have to send in the kill (team PMs are allowed). But I don't think she could be the last baddie. If she is one, someone else needed to send in the PM.

Matt wrote:

Enrique wrote:My list isn't a list of possibilities as such. I took myself and MP out of it for obvious reasons.

Apologies. I was vaguely thinking of this post when mentioning the "obvious civ" thing, but what you were saying was that you obviously weren't Scarecrow.

Whatever I meant, I wanna stress that any personal list I make is gonna account for what I know my role to (not) be. I would take myself off a list of potential baddies for that same reason, I'm simply not looking at me.

Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Linki, Right. There could be one Falcone, and their cop.

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:@Bullz - I do understand your perspective, but does the impact you had matter? Like, even in games where you have to be alive to win, I'll feel like a winner if I was a big help to my team and they end up winning.

I dunno, I just personally don't feel like I won unless I was alive at the end. Can't really explain why, I just don't. Perhaps it's because I've played so many games where you HAD to be alive to be counted as a winner.

I get it. I personally still prefer alive to win just because it was our culture, you know?

So you would lean towards DH not being a slip?

Maybe the cop is sending the PMs?

I'd like to point something out btw.

I defended Bubbles early on in the game against Lorab, and even recently (maybe a phase or two ago?). Bubbles earlier in the game defended me, and now suddenly "agrees with Matt on Lorab".

If Bubbles IS bad, a mafia and there is one more on her team...what she is doing is implicating me as being her partner, IMO. I don't like it, and wanted to address this immediately.

If it makes me look bad, whatevs, but I'm really not liking Bubbles buddying up to me the way she has.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think Catwoman has a role that facilitates being told you were targeted.

Would be kind of a bummer if you didn't know you had no win condition.

I read it as copying the win condition rather than removing it.

I interpret this the same way btw.

S~V~S wrote:Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Yeah, but, why? I mean, its stuff like that which always gets bubbles lynched, people find her fishy with the stuff she says, but is it really any different to her other civ games? I don't know that it is. She always gets lynched for odd stuff like that.

@SVS - either role could be sending in the PMs, but TBH, if bubbles is bad, I think she is more likely the recruited cop. I don't think epi would start the game with a team of bubbles and lovedelic.

Golden wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:@Bullz - I do understand your perspective, but does the impact you had matter? Like, even in games where you have to be alive to win, I'll feel like a winner if I was a big help to my team and they end up winning.

I dunno, I just personally don't feel like I won unless I was alive at the end. Can't really explain why, I just don't. Perhaps it's because I've played so many games where you HAD to be alive to be counted as a winner.

I get it. I personally still prefer alive to win just because it was our culture, you know?

So you would lean towards DH not being a slip?

I haven't actually decided. DH is one of the people I didn't label civ in my scrapped g2h. I could see him being an inmate but that doesn't necessarily make him an inmate I want dead. I'd need more reason to think he was before I voted him.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Yeah, but, why? I mean, its stuff like that which always gets bubbles lynched, people find her fishy with the stuff she says, but is it really any different to her other civ games? I don't know that it is. She always gets lynched for odd stuff like that.

@SVS - either role could be sending in the PMs, but TBH, if bubbles is bad, I think she is more likely the recruited cop. I don't think epi would start the game with a team of bubbles and lovedelic.

So if she is the recruited cop then the last baddie is sending them.

Matt wrote:I'd like to point something out btw.

I defended Bubbles early on in the game against Lorab, and even recently (maybe a phase or two ago?). Bubbles earlier in the game defended me, and now suddenly "agrees with Matt on Lorab".

If Bubbles IS bad, a mafia and there is one more on her team...what she is doing is implicating me as being her partner, IMO. I don't like it, and wanted to address this immediately.

If it makes me look bad, whatevs, but I'm really not liking Bubbles buddying up to me the way she has.

But is it any different to her saying "I agree with golden about glorfindel, voting SVS"?

I mean, some people came away from that, I think, seeing bubbles as possibly my teammate.

But again, look through ALL her civ games, her posts have a very recognisable pattern...

When she votes, she comes in and says 'I agree with person x, I like their case on y. Voting y"... she always has.

S~V~S wrote: Linki, you can be pretty blendy, Bullz. I have no clue about you, either way. You could be bad, or not. :Shrug:

I'm never deliberately blendy. I think you have blendiness confused with not having a lot of time to keep up.

omfg what is with all the linki tonight

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Yeah, but, why? I mean, its stuff like that which always gets bubbles lynched, people find her fishy with the stuff she says, but is it really any different to her other civ games? I don't know that it is. She always gets lynched for odd stuff like that.

@SVS - either role could be sending in the PMs, but TBH, if bubbles is bad, I think she is more likely the recruited cop. I don't think epi would start the game with a team of bubbles and lovedelic.

So if she is the recruited cop then the last baddie is sending them.

Yep. If Bubbles is Falcone, this is what I think must be happening.

I know it isn't deliberate Bullz, it is just your style. No judgment.

And Golden, I am more concerned with her posts in *this* game.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Linki, you can be pretty blendy, Bullz. I have no clue about you, either way. You could be bad, or not. :Shrug:

I'm never deliberately blendy. I think you have blendiness confused with not having a lot of time to keep up.

I haven't found you blendy this game. Take your mac suss as an example of having very clear independent views. I've found dom and lorab more blendy.

S~V~S wrote:I know it isn't deliberate Bullz, it is just your style. No judgment.

And Golden, I am more concerned with her posts in *this* game.

I understand that... but I still think the comparison is relevant.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Becasue if the Falcone cop was not lynched, maybe that is who is sending in the PMs? That bit calling LoRab a he, then immediately correcting herself? WTF?

Yeah, but, why? I mean, its stuff like that which always gets bubbles lynched, people find her fishy with the stuff she says, but is it really any different to her other civ games? I don't know that it is. She always gets lynched for odd stuff like that.

@SVS - either role could be sending in the PMs, but TBH, if bubbles is bad, I think she is more likely the recruited cop. I don't think epi would start the game with a team of bubbles and lovedelic.

So if she is the recruited cop then the last baddie is sending them.

Yep. If Bubbles is Falcone, this is what I think must be happening.

So why do you keep saying, Bubbles can't be bad, she was not around to send in the PM, if there could be two of them left?

I could see a Bubbles vote tonight if only to end all the discussion around her.

Linki - I disagree that it is my style.

Does anyone think DH is good at all?

I mean, how many times do we lynch bubbles as civ for the exact same reasons before we stop finding the behaviour suspicious?

linki @SVS - I don't keep saying that. I did say it once at the start of the day (thinking the cop had to send the PM in, I didn't realise team PMs were a thing) and Dom corrected me. Since then, I've only pointed out she can't be Scarecrow for that reason.

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

Bizarrely enough, I do.

Linki @ Golden, once again, I am talking about her posts in this game. Not every game. Someone corrected her out of the thread about Lorabs gender, imo.

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

I dunno, do you?

Golden wrote:I mean, how many times do we lynch bubbles as civ for the exact same reasons before we stop finding the behaviour suspicious?

Fair question. Another question I have is "if we lynch bubbles and she flips civ, how may people will assume that some other no-show is obviously the real baddie?"

S~V~S wrote:

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

Bizarrely enough, I do.

Linki @ Golden, once again, I am talking about her posts in this game. Not every game. Someone corrected her out of the thread about Lorabs gender, imo.

I think you underestimate bubbles wildly if you think she is silly enough to have the gender corrected in btsc and then come in and post about it.

Golden wrote:@Matt - there is zero chance of bubbles being the last baddie. She didn't send in a PM last night.

3/6, 6:31

I think if the gender thing was to be meaningful and intentional, it would point more towards LoRab being her teammate and them distancing, than he being corrected and then saying so.

@SVS - as I said. There is zero chance of her being the LAST baddie.

Two alive does not make her the last.

3/16*

And I had BTS with Bubbles once, I don't underestimate her, she hates being bad and is nervous and it is a self fulfilling prophecy.

Linki, OK, that is word games. I read that as if it meant you thought there was only a last baddie.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

Bizarrely enough, I do.

Linki @ Golden, once again, I am talking about her posts in this game. Not every game. Someone corrected her out of the thread about Lorabs gender, imo.

I think you underestimate bubbles wildly if you think she is silly enough to have the gender corrected in btsc and then come in and post about it.

Also there's one minute between her referring to LoRab as male and then apologising if she used the wrong pronoun.

I call shenanigans on that post, Golden.

Bullzeye wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

Bizarrely enough, I do.

Linki @ Golden, once again, I am talking about her posts in this game. Not every game. Someone corrected her out of the thread about Lorabs gender, imo.

I think you underestimate bubbles wildly if you think she is silly enough to have the gender corrected in btsc and then come in and post about it.

Also there's one minute between her referring to LoRab as male and then apologising if she used the wrong pronoun.

Questions...

1) What did you mean when you said "This should be interesting" in response to my G2H'ing you Town/indy?

2) Can you please post your reads even if most are civ?

S~V~S wrote:I call shenanigans on that post, Golden.

Look, truth be told, if Bubbles is bad I'm being lynched the day after.

I have known that for a very long time. I'm kind of like, whatevs. Nothing I can do about it.

But I'm not going to stop standing up for what I think is correct. Perhaps, if Bubbles IS bad, then after lynching me and realising there are no shenanigans you can revisit the possibility of that statement I made about LoRab. I think it is far more likely than your explanation.

I still think the most likely explanation by a long margin is that bubbles went 'oh, maybe lorab is a girl', and just corrected herself.

I think people are fixated on bubbles even though there is quite literally no difference between this and all her civvie appearances, and saying you are focussing only on her posts this game and ignoring her content in other games doesn't do any favours to figuring out her affiliation, in my opinion.

Bullzeye wrote:

Enrique wrote:Does anyone think DH is good at all?

I dunno, do you?

Golden wrote:I mean, how many times do we lynch bubbles as civ for the exact same reasons before we stop finding the behaviour suspicious?

Fair question. Another question I have is "if we lynch bubbles and she flips civ, how may people will assume that some other no-show is obviously the real baddie?"

Not particularly, nah.