The Syndicate

Russtifinko wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have no interest in lynching Matt F. I am inclined to think he is incorrect about Mac, but I don't think he has malicious intent.

Same. Matt practically always comes out with the most ridiculous conspiracies and follows them until his dying breath, but it doesn't make him bad. If anything I think he does it more when he's a civ.

Reposting this because I meant to include it in my "Responses to JJJ" post.

Russtifinko wrote:Oooh, good job on Floyd! And yay bonus day!

sig wrote:I will be quickly looking over Russ again, what is the case against him since he has been a candidate for lynches and I can't seem to recall what the suscpioun is based on.

So this is a super good point. As far I know (and I admit I have skipped 2-3 pages at this point due my early night yesterday and stuff going on today), there isn't even anything resembling a case against me. The closest we've come is Matt F rereading me, and he came out feeling positive. And somehow, despite that, I got 3 votes yesterday, putting me in the realm of possible lynchdom. MM voted me without listing any reason whatsoever, he just bolds my name. motel room is NO Uing me, and his is the BEST vote I got. I have no clue whatsoever where Bullzeye's vote came from. It's really not sporting. If you actually suspect me and want me lynched, the burden should be on you to bring some type of evidence, however weak, against me. If you're not gonna do that, get off my lawn and go after actual baddies.

Russtifinko wrote:RIP Elo and sig.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 9 has ended. Elohcin has been killed by ?????. She was Animals.

No surprise there. RIP Elohcin.

No surprise? I was surprised. Why not be surprised about a kill from a Shadowy Figure coming in right before the Day ends??

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I reviewed your case on Bullzeye, Epi. I think you raise good points, particularly Bullzeye's awkward piggybacking of my Day 2 (?) beef with Golden. It's inconsistent with his prior stated civ read on Golden, and it also makes no sense for him to have the same mindset about Golden that I had when my mindset was completely based on my own interaction with Golden. Bullzeye can't exist inside my head.

It'd be groovy if anyone else who knows anything about Bullzeye's style could confirm/refute this:

Epignosis wrote:Now this is something I want to emphasize: In my experience, when Bullzeye is called bad, his retorts can be caustic and nerve-wracking to the accuser. I went against him a few times and he breathed fire through the Internet.

because his tame treatment of Mac's accusations was something that I found curious as well.

I have played with Bullz a number of times, and mainly when he's been a baddie, I believe. The one thing I remember well is that he gets HYPER defensive over relatively little things, and generally over defends himself and convinces everyone he's bad. Iirc he's had some pretty spectacular flameouts as a baddie.

Russtifinko wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Finally home. I'm going to jump right back into my project here, but if y'all have pressing concerns for me just stick 'em in my face and I'll try to maintain dialogue as a I go. My focus will be on ISOmania though.

Wait, JJJ is going to post MORE of those enormous cases?? Lord ha' mercy.

So, my reread of Bullz:

He's a hard guy to get a read on, and that's largely because he's interacted with very few players during the game. He basically votes me as a default option ever since he joined, based on a case FZ. made on Day 2. He hasn't really added anything to his suspicion of me since. He started out thinking Sorsha was bad, but came around to thinking she was good and ended up defending her by voting Devin (though he never expressed an opinion about Devin). He was accused of trying to discredit Golden, but insisted that he was only disagreeing with him. He did talk with Matt F and JJJ some, and in the past 2 days he's been interacting more with people because a number of cases have come out against him.

So not counting responses to recent cases, I count what I'd consider significant interactions with 5 players. (Of course that is subjective.) Reading through his content, it feel like, even more than Choutas, he's content to develop a read and then stick to it, without seeming to really update much. To be fair, he has posted a number of times about being super duper busy, which I sympathize with. To me his behavior looks potentially SK-ish, because he doesn't put a huge amount of effort into developing reads. (Not trying to say this in a mean way at all. I feel a little bad about how I worded my thoughts on his baddie play style yesterday. Again, Bullz, I mean no insult at all, yesterday or today, and I always love playing with you, sincerely. I just perceive you as scum hunting to a lesser degree than most this game, and think it might be indicative of a role that doesn't care who is or isn't scum.)

Linki: Diiny, which shenanigans? Info dumps? I'm always against them, categorically. When info dumps have happened in previous games, I've decided to play as closely as I could to pretending they never happened. (See Mikhail Rasputin in the X-Men game for an example of me doing that and people hating it. Luckily I was immune to lynches!)

Did you see my post asking you for your current suspicions? Any definitive ideas on specific players?

Russtifinko wrote:Oh! But before I go, a strangely (I think, anyway) noncommittal thing from Bullz:

Matt F wrote:Bullz is here! Bullz, look at my case on Rico. A lot different then my "wild theories", am I right?

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:It certainly isn't wild. Or crazy. Some of it is even reasonable. I dunno how I feel about it personally though, I like and dislike it. I would have to think on it more to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

You're killin' me smalls.

Well, I mean, I know Crazy Matt very well. Sane Matt I'm not as familiar with. The fact I think your case isn't Crazy must mean something right? I expected you'd be happy that I don't think you're insane for a change.

So I think he doesn't want to offer tons of opinions so he can't be held to task for them later. Doesn't speak super well in my book.

Russtifinko wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Diiny J3 still wants me lynched. This time he's specified the reason down just the Floyd interaction. As an aside, J3, you don't know how funny it is that you're crediting all of these "great townie mindsets" to a supposedly scum Fuzz. My scum game is pretty poor. Just got a chuckle out of that.

J3, weird question, but could you tell me your cleanest 3 players? Excluding yourself, of course.

Wilgy voted to break my tie and save me, so from a purely personal perspective I almost have to believe he's civilian at this point.

If the other person on that tie had been a baddie, I'd agree with you 100%, Fuzz. But I think it's very dangerous for you to assume someone is a civ just because they saved you, when the day's lynch resulted in another civ dying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I've been thinking something about recent Bullzeye content: he's been responsive, but not productive. By that I mean he has made the effort necessary to address points about him and in some cases about general discussion -- but it's been a while since he has produced something truly original in this game.

I said this already. If only you read as much as you wrote...

Linki: He's been asking tons of questions, but making very few statements. I get the same vibe as Bullz from him, that he's trying not to leave tracks, although his quantity is clearly higher than Bullz's. Add that to the fact that he clearly doesn't remember Day 7 despite playing a major part in it, and I don't think it's a good look at all.

Russtifinko wrote:

motel room wrote:It's 3-3-3 on Bullzeye, Choutas and I (assuming Russ follows through on that vote he reckons he cast), I wonder what happens in the next couple hours.

Oh crap, thanks!

Choutas wrote:Bullz will tell Russ to stay low and vote for MM. Bullz will wait until the last minute to put the final vote. Seriously watch it unfold. I'm leaving. My work here is done. Nice game everyone.

You caught us; good sleuthing. Reeeeeeally tough to figure out that I'm going to vote motel room, whom I've voted the past 2 days and already posted that I intended to vote today. Just forgot to actually put it up. And yes, it's likely Bullz won't vote for himself, that being against the rules and all.

I don't see a potential civ motivation in that post. If Choutas is bad, he just fed us all a WIFOM-burger, and if he's civ he made the world's worst case: 1) Say obvious things that will happen. 2) Say those things make me and Bullz bad, when in my case they don't in the slightest. Choutas, you could be right on Bullz, but the better play here would be going hard after someone you really think is bad for TODAY, not setting up tomorrow's result in advance. If you want my vote on Bullz, convince me why he's a better case than motel.

motel room

Russtifinko wrote:

motel room wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:convince me why he's a better case than motel.

motel room

What's your case on me again there pal? That I was ok with a lynch of jjj but that I said he was probably town?

Now that you think its obvious that jjj is town and the suspicion on him has passed for now, have I tried to have him lynched or done anything to suggest that what I said back then was just exactly what I was thinking? Explain it from a scum angle please.

Yeah, easy way to push for a JJJ lynch without seeming to do so. He's clearly a major threat to the baddies, and he was close enough to dying that a comment like yours could easily have swung it if anyone had agreed with you. And then when it blew over it was easy for you to back off. Not sure what's hard to see about this.

Choutas, I'm not buying your defense at all. You're giving up, but throwing out names to see what sticks. Your case on me is I'm Bullz's teammate because I forgot to place my vote after declaring it. If you honestly think I'm bad and want to do something worthwhile with your time, build a case on me to convince people. You're not doing that, and it makes me feel better about where the poll is. You, Bullz, and motel all look terrible to me right now.

I'm off to bed.

Linki: haha Choutas, you are either the world's worst or best predictor of votes, I'm not sure which. Bullzeye is from England, so it's 4am where he is. You're right that he's unlikely to vote you right now, he probably forgot to place it.

Russtifinko wrote:RIP Choutas.

Rico, I'm in a similar state to yours. I really thought Choutas would flip bad based on what he was saying at EOD. And every single player has major points for and against them now, LC voters probably more than most.

To me it's looking increasingly likely that baddies just distributed their votes elsewhere on D2. That seems the smarter move, because with the final tally what it was, 3 additional baddies would've had to vote bcornett for it not be revealed that LC was Flowers. That is a lot of baddies to all be voting together that early in the game, and they probably figured the risk was too big.

JJJ, I personally don't find the scum spew analysis super valuable. No offense meant here, but it reads like you go into it with your read on a player, mention how the mafia has brought that player up, and state that whatever was said solidifies your read. I know I was the one who asked you to look at more obscure things, but it just feels like a reach when I read it. That said, maybe I'm also reading it with bias since I think motel room is bad and you don't. I also think MM's move off of motel room makes motel look worse in addition to MM. If one of them is bad, I'd bet dimes to dollars the other is.

Reading Rico's post does convince me that Bullz and Fuzz (and all non-bcornett or LC voters from D2) are worth a closer look.

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:I am putting a vote onto Russ, based on what MacDougall said. I really don't have the time to catch up fully and form a solid opinion right now. Voting for Russ is the best I can do.

Black Rock replaced AceofSpaces. This was one of AceofSpaces' only two posts of the game before he subbed out, in which he followed a known teammate's suspicion to vote Russti, being the second vote on him and about an hour before the deadline.

I asked Mac if he wanted to lynch Russti, who had quickly gained four votes, and was looking like a decent lynch candidate (trailing birdwithteeth 4-7). Instead, Mac left his vote on the less popular reywas (now RadicalFuzz).

These things considered, I think Russtifinko is mafia.

Finally someone agrees!