The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:09 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:08 am Did Sean claim before dying cause I have a second question

Mostly

Do we know what the modified was

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:08 am Did Sean claim before dying cause I have a second question

He implicitly claimed tracker way before he died, yes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:34 am Let me express how much I care about anyone volunteering or calling to be shot:

Dude there is such thing as context.

I find Guillo more suspicious for calling for it.
I find Orange mildly more townie.

It has everything to do with meta, how they are positioned and also your face.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:34 pm The point of the quote was to show that your view wasn't merely a trustfall hypothetical.

@MacDougall

That was much later and I didn't find them townie for it, nor was that really a defense. The operative word is more.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:09 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:08 am Did Sean claim before dying cause I have a second question

Mostly

Do we know what the modified was

I do not.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:09 am I did post a Sonnycrush review that I thought might be in Mac's favor. I haven't been able to get any feedback yet. I grant that Mac is still deep in my own POEparanoia tinfoil rivalry confbias.

ftfy

I appreciate the cheek, but who the hell else should be in my POE?

Everyone except Esooa and TSP.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:13 am Everyone except Esooa and TSP.

No.

I think there's a solid chance the POE game leads to a loss eventually otherwise Jay would be dead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:08 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:04 am And not claiming is anti town right now so the real question is why aren't you claiming.

I disagree

I disagree

Given that I know my role I maintain my disagreement and would invite the proverbial wolves to shoot me if they want to find out

@JaggedJimmyJay did Gnome and you lover up last night again?

The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:17 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:13 am 1. TSP implies I have TMI on who was poisoned
2. TSP later implies Nanook was the likely poison

Someone explain to me how TSP as a villager is able to figure out Nanook was the likely poison independently but when I imply it in my post it's TMI. Ftr I don't think it's a hard thing to figure out that Nanook was the likely poison and I think TSP knows this which means TSP was purposefully shading on grounds he should know don't make sense.

Am I wrong here?

I agree that it's a reach to call it TMI and for Mac to call it a good point.

I was the first person to post when day broke and I literally said the poisoner and mafia might have targeted the same person. So at the very least, even if someone doesn't think of that they are going to see it in my post. I don't think anyone's going to struggle to come to that conclusion.

Mac called what a good point?

The thing TSP said or something that you said? Because I can't find what's being referred to easily.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

Why not wolves?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:13 am I think there's a solid chance the POE game leads to a loss eventually otherwise Jay would be dead.

My POE has been an ever-changing machine. You and Alison are deep POE now. Not long ago with Allcrab and Martin. Pretty much everyone alive that has a reasonable mafia case has had plenty of reasons to kill me.

If you want to sell me on Sloonei or lost monkey, then you'll need to do that.

The only floater still here with a clear "keep Jay alive" agenda would have to be Gnome.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:16 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:17 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:13 am 1. TSP implies I have TMI on who was poisoned
2. TSP later implies Nanook was the likely poison

Someone explain to me how TSP as a villager is able to figure out Nanook was the likely poison independently but when I imply it in my post it's TMI. Ftr I don't think it's a hard thing to figure out that Nanook was the likely poison and I think TSP knows this which means TSP was purposefully shading on grounds he should know don't make sense.

Am I wrong here?

I agree that it's a reach to call it TMI and for Mac to call it a good point.

I was the first person to post when day broke and I literally said the poisoner and mafia might have targeted the same person. So at the very least, even if someone doesn't think of that they are going to see it in my post. I don't think anyone's going to struggle to come to that conclusion.

Mac called what a good point?

The thing TSP said or something that you said? Because I can't find what's being referred to easily.

TSP pointed out a post in which Allcrab exhibited poisoner TMI. I looked at it again afterwards and didn't see it the same way. Call it excitement.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:14 am @JaggedJimmyJay did Gnome and you lover up last night again?

Yes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:16 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:13 am I think there's a solid chance the POE game leads to a loss eventually otherwise Jay would be dead.

My POE has been an ever-changing machine. You and Alison are deep POE now. Not long ago with Allcrab and Martin. Pretty much everyone alive that has a reasonable mafia case has had plenty of reasons to kill me.

If you want to sell me on Sloonei or lost monkey, then you'll need to do that.

The only floater still here with a clear "keep Jay alive" agenda would have to be Gnome.

If Sloonei is a wolf the game is lost so there's really no point.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

no

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:14 am @JaggedJimmyJay did Gnome and you lover up last night again?

Yes.

Interesting. Do you think it's more or less towny for her to engage you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:16 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

Why not wolves?

Currently I’m agreeing with Jay’s take on it

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

no

Are you claiming that the wolf is in fact not shooting based on rng

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:16 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

Why not wolves?

Currently I’m agreeing with Jay’s take on it

I am not entirely sure it makes sense if the poisoner is a 3p and based on the flips.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am If Sloonei is a wolf the game is lost so there's really no point.

I'll give you specific prompts so you don't have to dig.

Explain the rationale for Sloonei day killing his mafia teammate when he was not in any state of meaningful pressure that necessitated mechanical clearance.

I just don’t really think I can see 6 wolves two 3P here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:18 am Interesting. Do you think it's more or less towny for her to engage you?

She's done it every night since Night 2. To me that suggests enthusiasm with the lover flavor, which has very much borne out in our conversations. We really are lovers. With that in mind I don't think there needs to be some mafia agenda ascribed to it.

There still could be. When we both activate, the mafia literally cannot kill me without killing her too. So she'd have to really work me into a pocket. I don't think she's really even tried to do that. I remain open to her as a suspect only because I have too few clear-cut reasons not to.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am If Sloonei is a wolf the game is lost so there's really no point.

I'll give you specific prompts so you don't have to dig.

Explain the rationale for Sloonei day killing his mafia teammate when he was not in any state of meaningful pressure that necessitated mechanical clearance.

Its all just wifom isn't it. There's no adequate way to answer this question as you've already obstructed it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am If Sloonei is a wolf the game is lost so there's really no point.

I'll give you specific prompts so you don't have to dig.

Explain the rationale for Sloonei day killing his mafia teammate when he was not in any state of meaningful pressure that necessitated mechanical clearance.

There’s no rationale that’s the point

Hmmm where did the poisoner is a 3p thing start?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 am Its all just wifom isn't it. There's no adequate way to answer this question as you've already obstructed it.

Weird things happen and sometimes JJJ is a jackass. So I will listen if you really believe in it enough to talk about it.

I don’t buy mafia poisoner with that shot pattern but I could be swayed

I don’t really buy mafia shooter with that shot pattern either tbh what the hell is going on

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

no

Are you claiming that the wolf is in fact not shooting based on rng

kito and nanook, how can there kills be rng? Poisoner has been basically following jay's read somewhat except for the alison thing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:23 am Hmmm where did the poisoner is a 3p thing start?

I've considered it almost obvious since the very first poison. The second poison really sold it. If it's mafia it's sorely overpowered and the targets are wack. If it's town then I have no idea why their first target is Alison and why they haven't just told the truth.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 am Its all just wifom isn't it. There's no adequate way to answer this question as you've already obstructed it.

Weird things happen and sometimes JJJ is a jackass. So I will listen if you really believe in it enough to talk about it.

Has Sloonei been particularly townie since he made the shot? If all of his game was characterised by his play subsequent to it and without out how would you read him?

Who did the n2 vig shot or was that something else

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am If Sloonei is a wolf the game is lost so there's really no point.

I'll give you specific prompts so you don't have to dig.

Explain the rationale for Sloonei day killing his mafia teammate when he was not in any state of meaningful pressure that necessitated mechanical clearance.

There’s no rationale that’s the point

Does this imply you are entertaining Sloonei as mafia?

Mac trying to add Sloonei to the POE is flailing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:23 am Hmmm where did the poisoner is a 3p thing start?

I've considered it almost obvious since the very first poison. The second poison really sold it. If it's mafia it's sorely overpowered and the targets are wack. If it's town then I have no idea why their first target is Alison and why they haven't just told the truth.

I think it's at least somewhat plausible that the last mafia is a limited shot poisoner and is out of shots.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:26 am Mac trying to add Sloonei to the POE is flailing.

This is not what I am doing.

The amount of wifom from mac and tsp is staggering.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:26 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am If Sloonei is a wolf the game is lost so there's really no point.

I'll give you specific prompts so you don't have to dig.

Explain the rationale for Sloonei day killing his mafia teammate when he was not in any state of meaningful pressure that necessitated mechanical clearance.

There’s no rationale that’s the point

Does this imply you are entertaining Sloonei as mafia?

I don’t think it’s an interesting idea. Sloonei doesn’t do that kind of thing. Sloonei should be hard cleared and should have a bullet in him but that’s besides the point

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 am Its all just wifom isn't it. There's no adequate way to answer this question as you've already obstructed it.

Weird things happen and sometimes JJJ is a jackass. So I will listen if you really believe in it enough to talk about it.

Has Sloonei been particularly townie since he made the shot? If all of his game was characterised by his play subsequent to it and without out how would you read him?

When he has made posts he has looked like town Sloonei to me. That has been consistent. My only gripe would be that it's been sporadic and at times lazy. I've been fine attributing that to his job and to general vibes. Sometimes people don't feel like doing all kinds of shit.

@Sloonei can talk about this for himself though.

Yep.

Be Mac.
Be in POE.
Attempt to solve every slot.
Jay asks question.
Play Devil's advocate.
wIdEnInG tHe PoE

Just flip me at this point. I can't operate under these conditions.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:27 am The amount of wifom from mac and tsp is staggering.

What one does when they are wrongly in the POE for 100

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

no

Are you claiming that the wolf is in fact not shooting based on rng

kito and nanook, how can there kills be rng? Poisoner has been basically following jay's read somewhat except for the alison thing.

I don’t know anything about Kito and Nanook is roughly never an optimal kill there.
What happened to Gav

Oh Dana could have succeeded n3

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:04 am The holistic production of this review is pretty much a non-decision for Allcrab. My view doesn't change much. However I did highlight the one Made post that speaks to me a good amount, and in Allcrab's favor. I invite perspectives on that one especially.

It favors allcrab fairly (but far from completely).

I think its important to note that Made didn't have a lot of posts (when he has been capable of low and high posting as both alignments) so it may inherently be trying to not show much.

Though it feels like Allcrab did a bit of (metaphorical) dancing on that Made read and not picking a side. If my word is worth anything though, for a long time I only ever slightly town-read Made and wasn't sure of him either though.

Also no N1 kill?

Someone explain all three of these things to me

Made was in anti-spew essentially of day 5. Read his posts with that in mind.