The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:On RYM, the concept of "infodumping" doesn't exist (until #88 when I brought it from here) because revealing role-related information is considered the norm and not some kind of controversial behavior. That's why I think guys like seaside, Choutas, and Strawhenge all struggled mightily with that rule in this game -- it's foreign to RYMers and they've never been faced with that particular variable.

Diiny wrote:Can someone link the voting histories?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:To be fair Rico, I don't think Diiny being Mac's counterwagon on Day 6 precludes him from being mafia-aligned. I do think there is other evidence to suggest that though.

Yes, the reveal that only MacBaddie voted on that counterwagon, despite requesting it in the open, makes me wonder just a bit, but does Mac's attitude tell you he was resigned to Diiny, as teamie, becoming his counterwagon, or indifferent, knowing Diiny is not his teammate?

Mac openly resisted Diiny as the counterwagon on Day 6 (he literally told motel room he wanted it to be DrWilgy). I later interpreted this as a WIFOMburger in Diiny's favor and not in Doc's favor. It's possible I had it backwards.

Diiny wrote:How. Long. Has. This. Fucking. Thread. Existed.

Diiny wrote:I haven't got it in me to case Rico/Russ tonight but I still can't tear myself away from the thread. If you've any actually defensible shit to fling at me, now's the time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Diiny wrote:I haven't got it in me to case Rico/Russ tonight but I still can't tear myself away from the thread. If you've any actually defensible shit to fling at me, now's the time.

I readily grant that the case against you is largely process of elimination right now. That's not something you can defend against -- and I'm sorry for that. The best thing you can do for yourself right now if you're town is convince me and others that someone else is what you're accused of being.

a2thezebra wrote:If The Great Curve is out there reading this, I suggest they use their one-time power today.

Also, I think someone claimed he was a terrorist, claimed to avert a catastrophe.

Diiny wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Diiny wrote:I haven't got it in me to case Rico/Russ tonight but I still can't tear myself away from the thread. If you've any actually defensible shit to fling at me, now's the time.

I readily grant that the case against you is largely process of elimination right now. That's not something you can defend against -- and I'm sorry for that. The best thing you can do for yourself right now if you're town is convince me and others that someone else is what you're accused of being.

This is why I'm waiting to case Rico and Russ, I know that town's chances are based on me doing this to the best of my ability.

Diiny wrote:I mean I'm waiting to do it because I don't want to fuck it up and I want to do it properly and not in bed at 2am; I understand what you mean.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:This game has actually been going on since September 30th, if we include Day 0.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:This game has actually been going on since September 30th, if we include Day 0.

Shouldn't this be in pedantic pink?

Diiny wrote:Although, J, why do you suspect I'm SK over Rico/russ? Why do you inherantly trust them above me? I don't see why you don't case us all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt F wrote:HOSTS - If the Mafia or Serial Killer is prevented from making a kill for whatever reason, do you still show their kill attempt in the Night Post? If the Mafia or Serial Killer simply don't make an attempt, do you completely ignore them in the Night Post?

Thank you

Yes to both questions.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If The Great Curve is out there reading this, I suggest they use their one-time power today.

Also, I think someone claimed he was a terrorist, claimed to avert a catastrophe.

Wert zebra being Pulled Up, there is this post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^and this post came on Night 3, just after the lynch that seaside presumable "looked" at.

Strawhenge wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, I just had a dream in which zebra, Choutas and MacBaddie were posting without their dead color on and interfering with the endgame. Thing is, I wasn't even at home in my dream, I was at the countryside. Now where did I put those meds...

Choutas wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, I just had a dream in which zebra, Choutas and MacBaddie were posting without their dead color on and interfering with the endgame. Thing is, I wasn't even at home in my dream, I was at the countryside. Now where did I put those meds...

Choutas wrote:Let's not forget the theme.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think you need more host posts about buildings and food.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think you need more host posts about buildings and food.

I am currently located in a building.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If The Great Curve is out there reading this, I suggest they use their one-time power today.

Also, I think someone claimed he was a terrorist, claimed to avert a catastrophe.

Wert zebra being Pulled Up, there is this post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^and this post came on Night 3, just after the lynch that seaside presumable "looked" at.

He could have instinctively asked for Great Curve to check what might happened after a Day phase in which Golden won a lynch with 6 votes, yet bea got killed with no votes. ... although it's a bit murky to understand why zebra would request vote manipulations to be checked, when what happened was more a thing of roles manipulation.

Ricochet wrote:Plus, for the umpteenth time, I don't understand why seaside would suspect seeing anything on JJJ or Diiny, if one of them is supposed to be Blind and there were no drugs involved (because Night 2 was skipped). If I would have had that role (the song is probably my favorite TH one) and had checked Day 3 and saw that there was one vote less (Blind) and/or one vote more (Pulled Up), both not fitting a baddie's role (Drugs giving +2), I would be pretty bad at my role to leave breadcrumbs on this being suspicious. Nothing against seaside, but I think we're making stuff out of a legacy that he didn't really leave. Or, if he did, it's not a good one.

Jay mentioned this before, and I agree with him (especially since he was the one who suggested it). Seaside checked the lynch, saw a number on you that was not 6 (so probably less than 6), and rather than assume all of the role possibilities, he assumed bad news.

On the other hand, Blind's vote should not have been randomized at that point, right? By my understanding, Blind's "range" should have been 0 on that day.

Ricochet wrote:Also, after a good night's sleep, I realized my "Pulled Up could have had +1 on LC D2" logic was 3am shit tier, because Pulled Up only gets empowered by non-civ lynches, not by civ mislynches.

So that leaves us with two explanations: Blind is Diiny and there was no interference with the main wagons. JJJ (or Russ? ) is Blind and their vote fortunately stuck on LC. Put this in a vacuum and, yeah, it's a 50-50 between Diiny and JJJ. But add in some other cues for Diiny being bad (unlikelihood of him being mafia, his absence), compared to JJJ pretty much being Satan incarnate if he's bad, plus some other factors I can (questioning JJJ to good result) or can't be specific about, and I'm leaning Diiny is bad, JJJ is Blind.

Ricochet wrote:Plus, for the umpteenth time, I don't understand why seaside would suspect seeing anything on JJJ or Diiny, if one of them is supposed to be Blind and there were no drugs involved (because Night 2 was skipped). If I would have had that role (the song is probably my favorite TH one) and had checked Day 3 and saw that there was one vote less (Blind) and/or one vote more (Pulled Up), both not fitting a baddie's role (Drugs giving +2), I would be pretty bad at my role to leave breadcrumbs on this being suspicious. Nothing against seaside, but I think we're making stuff out of a legacy that he didn't really leave. Or, if he did, it's not a good one.

Ricochet wrote:Also, after a good night's sleep, I realized my "Pulled Up could have had +1 on LC D2" logic was 3am shit tier, because Pulled Up only gets empowered by non-civ lynches, not by civ mislynches.

So that leaves us with two explanations: Blind is Diiny and there was no interference with the main wagons. JJJ (or Russ? ) is Blind and their vote fortunately stuck on LC. Put this in a vacuum and, yeah, it's a 50-50 between Diiny and JJJ. But add in some other cues for Diiny being bad (unlikelihood of him being mafia, his absence), compared to JJJ pretty much being Satan incarnate if he's bad, plus some other factors I can (questioning JJJ to good result) or can't be specific about, and I'm leaning Diiny is bad, JJJ is Blind.

Ricochet wrote:^Aren't you still in limbo, trying to find Mal?

*bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*



Forget Star Wars Episode VII.

Coming in a mafia forum near you, Summer 2016.

Ish.

MetalMarsh wrote:Jay mentioned this before, and I agree with him (especially since he was the one who suggested it). Seaside checked the lynch, saw a number on you that was not 6 (so probably less than 6), and rather than assume all of the role possibilities, he assumed bad news.

On the other hand, Blind's vote should not have been randomized at that point, right? By my understanding, Blind's "range" should have been 0 on that day.

Sloonei wrote: It came Winter of 2015, actually.

Ricochet wrote:

MetalMarsh wrote:Jay mentioned this before, and I agree with him (especially since he was the one who suggested it). Seaside checked the lynch, saw a number on you that was not 6 (so probably less than 6), and rather than assume all of the role possibilities, he assumed bad news.

On the other hand, Blind's vote should not have been randomized at that point, right? By my understanding, Blind's "range" should have been 0 on that day.

This is also true. Further evidence of not believing seaside really checked that Day or saw something on Jay and/or Diiny.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MetalMarsh wrote:Jay mentioned this before, and I agree with him (especially since he was the one who suggested it). Seaside checked the lynch, saw a number on you that was not 6 (so probably less than 6), and rather than assume all of the role possibilities, he assumed bad news.

On the other hand, Blind's vote should not have been randomized at that point, right? By my understanding, Blind's "range" should have been 0 on that day.

This is also true. Further evidence of not believing seaside really checked that Day or saw something on Jay and/or Diiny.

If Pulled Up and Blind's votes were both there, Golden still could have won the tie, right?

Ricochet wrote:What tie?

Golden won as top wagon. Blind being on me and misfiring would have just dropped me lower by one vote.

If Pulled Up voted Golden (say... b24) then he further pushed Golden into getting lynched. If Pulled Up didn't vote on either wagons (say... Zebra or Matt), it didn't change anything.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:What tie?

Golden won as top wagon. Blind being on me and misfiring would have just dropped me lower by one vote.

If Pulled Up voted Golden (say... b24) then he further pushed Golden into getting lynched. If Pulled Up didn't vote on either wagons (say... Zebra or Matt), it didn't change anything.

As I just pointed out, Blind couldn't have misfired on Day 3. On Day 1, a civilian was lynched, so his range went up to +1. On Day 2, mafia was lynched, so his range would go back down to 0.

So on Day 3, his vote would have been accurate.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I thought the 8-bit version of TMbtP I used for Wilgy's death was fun.