The Syndicate

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:I voted for Finnian last lynch but the more i have thought about it the more I have decided I let my supreme irritation overcome my logic. If Finnian were nefarious I think his team would have been all over him to cast a ballot, and just told him who he should cast a ballot for so he wouldn't even have to study the thread. Not only would they have wanted him to cast a ballot because they wanted the ballots but because they needed the night power.

This doesn't mean I'm totally dismissing Finnian and saying he's definitely on the sunny side but I'm no longer seeing a reason to ballot for him at this time. For some of you who still see him in the crosshairs, why do you think his not balloting adds up to him being nefarious? Don't you think his team would have been after him and convinced him just to ballot who they say? Maybe I'm missing something important here in the logic.

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Shand Azureye wrote:Carmen was voted for by: Fane (6), Etain (9), Lyel (10), Eurolyvn (12), Miyuki (13), and Ameerah (14). My question to you guys -- have you at all changed your mind about Carmen, or are you prepared to vote for her again today?

Bac Wunderelin wrote:During the Jorhan lynch she put words in my mouth and grouped me in with people making a particular argument (I believe the discussion was re your theories, Gob) when I had no part of that discussion. Then when asked to put her money where her mouth was and bring the proof, she couldn't do it, but still implied it was so.

Just slippery IMO

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Bac Wunderelin wrote:During the Jorhan lynch she put words in my mouth and grouped me in with people making a particular argument (I believe the discussion was re your theories, Gob) when I had no part of that discussion. Then when asked to put her money where her mouth was and bring the proof, she couldn't do it, but still implied it was so.

Just slippery IMO

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Bac Wunderelin wrote:During the Jorhan lynch she put words in my mouth and grouped me in with people making a particular argument (I believe the discussion was re your theories, Gob) when I had no part of that discussion. Then when asked to put her money where her mouth was and bring the proof, she couldn't do it, but still implied it was so.

Just slippery IMO

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Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Will you tell us whom would have gotten your vote?

No idea, to be honest.

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:Did this bother anyone as it did me? From here: viewtopic.php?p=19712#p19712

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Will you tell us whom would have gotten your vote?

No idea, to be honest.

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Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Shand Azureye wrote:Carmen was voted for by: Fane (6), Etain (9), Lyel (10), Eurolyvn (12), Miyuki (13), and Ameerah (14). My question to you guys -- have you at all changed your mind about Carmen, or are you prepared to vote for her again today?

Carmen is/was still on the top of my list. I have some reservations now due to this supposed role hinting. But if they aren't really role hints then I don't feel like I have a reason to trust her.

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Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:Did this bother anyone as it did me? From here: viewtopic.php?p=19712#p19712

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Will you tell us whom would have gotten your vote?

No idea, to be honest.

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Really? Day 1? I wasn't around, hadn't really followed the thread, would you have liked me to pick a name out of thin air? Because that's what I would have had to do to give a different answer. I really have no clue who I would have voted for Day 1, other than someone from the table I was told to vote from.

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Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:

Carmen Brightsun wrote:I have been crazy busy this week and I should be working right now, but I am choosing Mafia . I think the best case we have is against Finnian. All of the suspicions you have about me are just suspicions. Why did I survive the lynch? Who knows. As some of you have mentioned, there are several possibilities. There is no real evidence showing that I am bad. Now, what we have on Finnian, that is evidence. He failed to vote (meaning he would lose his night ability) then we have no night kills. I definitely believe he should be on the chopping block today.

linki with Mainchin - What if Rumple saved me from the lynch to throw everyone off, confuse you all, make you think I am mafia so you will lynch me and not one of his own.

linki with Etain - Yes. If you were Rumple and had enough votes to manipulate any way you'd like, why not do so. Who cares who you are saving one civvie and getting rid of another. You would do it just to mess with people's heads. I think I would.

Point out to me which role says it has the power to kill each night. You won't find it, I know because I looked. It has become increasingly more popular among hosts creating games to make the night kill a team power rather than a role power, and I would be willing to bet that is the case here too. The case that Finnian is bad because he did not vote and then we did not have night kills. Therefore he is a Baddie does not hold water. I do not know if he is bad or not, I still need to read his posts myself, which I will do in a bit here, but this evidence ou point to is fundamentally flawed and the fact that it has been pointed out before that this is the case and yet you are still beating that drum does not make me feel better about you.

I will, however, concede that the last two points are possible. But given all the other reasons you were already suspected,it is harder for me to dismiss this as you as being framed.

Shand Azureye wrote:Carmen was voted for by: Fane (6), Etain (9), Lyel (10), Eurolyvn (12), Miyuki (13), and Ameerah (14). My question to you guys -- have you at all changed your mind about Carmen, or are you prepared to vote for her again today?

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At this point I would say I am prepared to vote for her again. But I will say this, the other people who were serious contenders for the last lynch should be considered this time around too, because if it does happen to be a frame up job, then most likely one of those others Is on team rumple. Those people would stand to benefit the most from framing Carmen.

@ The Djinn, I think it was probably not the wisest move to provide such a word tool in the thread. But I agree with your sentiment. I suspect it is easier for Team Rumple to steal our choices in the poll than we think, all it takes is some clever thinking on the part of Rumple as far as his word choice. I remain convinced this is likely why Carmen did not die.

Shand Azureye wrote:Here's another thought about Rumpel. I'm not sure at this point how useful this is, but hopefully it may lead us to something at some point in the game, if not today.

One way of looking at Rumpel's ability is that the mafia (team of four) has complete anonymity in the lynch polls. They can vote for each other, thereby distancing themselves from their evil teammates, say the magic word, and voila, Rumpel moves over all their votes to whoever they wish to lynch. Rumpel and his team doesn't even have to get the townies to say the magic word, they just say it themselves. In this light, it may be useful to go over all posts from day 3 and find out if an uncommon word was said by four players. It's a long shot, but worth trying, I think.

What this also means is we have to be careful looking back at voting records. Just because someone voted a mafia doesn't necessarily mean they are not mafia themselves.

Linki with Miyuki: I've meticulously read Carmen's posts on nights 2 and 3, but I don't see the role hint. I'll try to check again. But even if it's there, it still doesn't help us much in deciding about her affiliation.

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Oh good god, I had not considered this possibility regarding Rumple's ability. We cannot count on the vote record telling us anything if this is the case... This makes it very hard for us.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Okay, see if anything jumps out at anyone, if it does, do you believe it? Just coincidence? If you don't believe it, then is it just a 2 night set-up, trying to appear to be a townie role? That seems risky to me, as it invites checking.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=19909#p19909
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=20142#p20142

I can see what you mean about the first one, but I don't get what you are seeing in the second one.

Regarding Finnian, something he said made me realize who that player is, and if I am correct I will say Finnian probably really is as busy as he claims. Of course, that does not mean he is a goody two shoes, either. Just sayin'

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Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:Did this bother anyone as it did me? From here: viewtopic.php?p=19712#p19712

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Will you tell us whom would have gotten your vote?

No idea, to be honest.

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Really? Day 1? I wasn't around, hadn't really followed the thread, would you have liked me to pick a name out of thin air? Because that's what I would have had to do to give a different answer. I really have no clue who I would have voted for Day 1, other than someone from the table I was told to vote from.

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Yes really- Day 1. Why? Because no Night period preceded it, which means it is the only poll we have where people could vote without their votes getting appropriated. I therefore think analyzing Day 1 is a good thing.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:

Bac Wunderelin wrote:During the Jorhan lynch she put words in my mouth and grouped me in with people making a particular argument (I believe the discussion was re your theories, Gob) when I had no part of that discussion. Then when asked to put her money where her mouth was and bring the proof, she couldn't do it, but still implied it was so.

Just slippery IMO

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That sounds like a Gargoyle I know!

This new discussion about role hints, as well as Finnians sudden "throw another inactive player into the line of fire" tactic are making me rethink my thoughts about Carmen. While it's difficult to say I completely dismiss her as a suspect ( I don't, not yet anyway) I am slowly starting to lean to a Finnian vote.

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Bac Wunderelin wrote:

Bac Wunderelin wrote:

Carmen Brightsun wrote:These "random" votes for Jorhan don't sit right with me. Especially this one:

Fane Winebattle wrote:I haven't been feeling well and the names are confusing me lol.
I will randomize my vote and I got Jorhan.

According to the chart, Fane, you are seated at the table of Happiness, and therefore you could not have voted for Jorhan.

This makes me think Jorhan is likely good. And because I'm beginning to trust Shand, I am going to vote for Caillic Lustroushair.

So you think him good based on the behavior of others? What think you of him showing up to make a second post soon after taking a vote for not posting, yet not voting?

The two lottery style votes made me nervous as well, but that one post soon after taking a vote really is one of those things that make you go "hmmm".

Yes. Ms Mightyfeet, you are correct

It WAS Carmen who pointed this out. I am not a fan of role hints, and never see then anyhow, while the illustrious Lady of the Imps made a good point, this also nags at me; thanks for the reminder

Maybe that Razor thing applies here, and Carmen it was who was saved, and Carmen it was whom I offended?

Simulpost with Ameerah. I shall do so

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Shand Azureye wrote:As we move close to the deadline, I once more find myself devoid of any level of certainty. It's uncanny how well the mafia have been hiding thus far. There's just that small element of doubt about Carmen and Finnian which makes me wary of voting for either today. Carmen's alleged role hinting, and Finnian, if he were a baddie would he miss lynch polls, thereby surrendering his nightly powers?

Talking of this later, in the absence of any other strong candidates, I thought it might not be a bad idea to look at low posters who were not missing the lynches. They, I believe, are much more likely to be mafia, flying under the radar, but ensuring that they have full use of their evil powers at night.

I found two names: Fane with 11 posts, and Dierdre with 15. Both have voted in all lynches so far. Anyone have any thoughts on these two? All the other low posters have missed at least one vote.

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Shand Azureye wrote:As we move close to the deadline, I once more find myself devoid of any level of certainty. It's uncanny how well the mafia have been hiding thus far. There's just that small element of doubt about Carmen and Finnian which makes me wary of voting for either today. Carmen's alleged role hinting, and Finnian, if he were a baddie would he miss lynch polls, thereby surrendering his nightly powers?

Talking of this later, in the absence of any other strong candidates, I thought it might not be a bad idea to look at low posters who were not missing the lynches. They, I believe, are much more likely to be mafia, flying under the radar, but ensuring that they have full use of their evil powers at night.

I found two names: Fane with 11 posts, and Dierdre with 15. Both have voted in all lynches so far. Anyone have any thoughts on these two? All the other low posters have missed at least one vote.

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Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Shand Azureye wrote:As we move close to the deadline, I once more find myself devoid of any level of certainty. It's uncanny how well the mafia have been hiding thus far. There's just that small element of doubt about Carmen and Finnian which makes me wary of voting for either today. Carmen's alleged role hinting, and Finnian, if he were a baddie would he miss lynch polls, thereby surrendering his nightly powers?

Talking of this later, in the absence of any other strong candidates, I thought it might not be a bad idea to look at low posters who were not missing the lynches. They, I believe, are much more likely to be mafia, flying under the radar, but ensuring that they have full use of their evil powers at night.

I found two names: Fane with 11 posts, and Dierdre with 15. Both have voted in all lynches so far. Anyone have any thoughts on these two? All the other low posters have missed at least one vote.

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All I've noticed about Fane is that, when he does post, it's usually about having too much to read and it being hard for Fane to keep up. This is not unusual and I am in a similar situation. But I still find this odd. Even though I haven't posted much of late, I do manage to catch up on what is being said. This might not mean he is a baddie, but it could be as Fane may be, as you suggest, flying under the radar. I'm not sure, though.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Re-reading Deidre, one thing that sticks in my crawl a bit is the Day 2 vote. Deidre spends a good deal of time talking about Laine, and some time talking about Mainchin, but very quickly plops a vote in for Jorhan Day 2. If we're considering the possibility that Rump's team is using the word to conceal their ACTUAL votes, it's worth noting that perhaps Deidre did a drive-by vote for the "strong" Jorhan case after saying the word at one point, knowing he'd be busy and trusting his team to place his vote wherever it was needed?

Just a thought/theory. Anyway, next I'm off to re-read Lane!

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Carmen Brightsun wrote:

Bac Wunderelin wrote:

Bac Wunderelin wrote:

Carmen Brightsun wrote:These "random" votes for Jorhan don't sit right with me. Especially this one:

Fane Winebattle wrote:I haven't been feeling well and the names are confusing me lol.
I will randomize my vote and I got Jorhan.

According to the chart, Fane, you are seated at the table of Happiness, and therefore you could not have voted for Jorhan.

This makes me think Jorhan is likely good. And because I'm beginning to trust Shand, I am going to vote for Caillic Lustroushair.

So you think him good based on the behavior of others? What think you of him showing up to make a second post soon after taking a vote for not posting, yet not voting?

The two lottery style votes made me nervous as well, but that one post soon after taking a vote really is one of those things that make you go "hmmm".

Yes. Ms Mightyfeet, you are correct

It WAS Carmen who pointed this out. I am not a fan of role hints, and never see then anyhow, while the illustrious Lady of the Imps made a good point, this also nags at me; thanks for the reminder

Maybe that Razor thing applies here, and Carmen it was who was saved, and Carmen it was whom I offended?

Simulpost with Ameerah. I shall do so

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I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. Sounds like mumbo jumbo to me.

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Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:Fane also hasn't posted since May 14th. I don't know whether to chalk that up to inactivity because he's trying to fly low or inactivity because he is still confused about the game. He (or she) did indicate earlier that they were a new mafia player so that may account for it if it's true. Fane, I think it would be in your best interest to speak up and tell us what is going on and what you're thinking about your ballot today.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Watch away

I am just pointing out that
A) It seems like you're taking the path of least resistance by poking at other less-active players and
B) The sort of "wait not me, them!" style unnerves me.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Interesting observation Etain. I will hold my vote to see how this shakes out.

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Etain Royalskull wrote:What's funny to me is there was a sort of rush to push the thread away from Finnian who was the second lynch candidate for a while now. Low posters get mentioned and then all of a sudden bam a *low poster* gets a vote.

I think I shall vote Finnian.

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Etain Royalskull wrote:What's funny to me is there was a sort of rush to push the thread away from Finnian who was the second lynch candidate for a while now. Low posters get mentioned and then all of a sudden bam a *low poster* gets a vote.

I think I shall vote Finnian.

Uggggggggggh.

Or maybe me at least making some forms of attempts are assuaging the suspicions of some? Is there really no excuse for anyone to drop their suspicion ever? Since there was talk of easy targets earlier, don't I sort of make one? You are the second person so far to drop previous things to come after me. If I get lynched, when I come up civ I think people doing this should really be looked at. I mean the "easy target" I picked I have basically no chance of voting for as I was making note of them, and not really suspecting them.

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Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Etain Royalskull wrote:What's funny to me is there was a sort of rush to push the thread away from Finnian who was the second lynch candidate for a while now. Low posters get mentioned and then all of a sudden bam a *low poster* gets a vote.

I think I shall vote Finnian.

Uggggggggggh.

Or maybe me at least making some forms of attempts are assuaging the suspicions of some? Is there really no excuse for anyone to drop their suspicion ever? Since there was talk of easy targets earlier, don't I sort of make one? You are the second person so far to drop previous things to come after me. If I get lynched, when I come up civ I think people doing this should really be looked at. I mean the "easy target" I picked I have basically no chance of voting for as I was making note of them, and not really suspecting them.

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I asked you earlier and I'll ask you again....who do you want deaded?

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Well as the game presses on I think each lynch is getting more and more informative, even though the results are poo. Observing how the votes come in and the discussion and theories about players is at least somewhat illuminating
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Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Etain Royalskull wrote:What's funny to me is there was a sort of rush to push the thread away from Finnian who was the second lynch candidate for a while now. Low posters get mentioned and then all of a sudden bam a *low poster* gets a vote.

I think I shall vote Finnian.

Uggggggggggh.

Or maybe me at least making some forms of attempts are assuaging the suspicions of some? Is there really no excuse for anyone to drop their suspicion ever? Since there was talk of easy targets earlier, don't I sort of make one? You are the second person so far to drop previous things to come after me. If I get lynched, when I come up civ I think people doing this should really be looked at. I mean the "easy target" I picked I have basically no chance of voting for as I was making note of them, and not really suspecting them.

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I asked you earlier and I'll ask you again....who do you want deaded?

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For now I would say Carmen although I am not totally sure. Me being gone for the majority of the game has left me in a very confused position. Right now I'm at a point of making observations but most of it depends on someone getting lynched and flipping to be a certain role. If, however, Carmen does get lynched and flips bad, I think Etain is bad. Just the way I read it.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Well as the game presses on I think each lynch is getting more and more informative, even though the results are poo. Observing how the votes come in and the discussion and theories about players is at least somewhat illuminating
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That's honestly something I haven't reviewed much yet. Perhaps I should. :P

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