The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:57 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:38 am - My gut and brain are torn on so many of these reads. My brain says Jay is strong town, my gut says he's slight town. Similar deal with Quin. Reverse it with Dizzy and lapluie; slight town from brain and strong town from gut. Colin, Marmot, and Kyle are all in a similar boat, but I feel like at least one of the three is bad, and GTH right now I think that player is Kyle. I could totally be off though, and this begs reassessment and further evaluation as to why exactly I feel that way. To try to elaborate why I feel that way now... Colin and Kyle are more liked by my brain but my gut is skeptical. Marmot is absolutely loved by my gut but my brain says he's possibly the worst looking player right now; the gut read is a bit stronger in the end. Why Kyle sticks out of the 3 is... hard to say, other than I thought his continued discussion of Choutas looked forced and inauthentic -- exactly the opposite of what Jay took out of the posts. Charlienosis, Elohcin, and Scotty are the biggest question marks in my mind right now and default to slight mafia; they need to come in and town it up ASAP if they are town.

When you get a chance, can you explain what you mean in the colored sction? I don't know what sort of game-related situation that connects the three of us that would make at least one of the three of us is bad, and so I don't understand why you'd say such.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 pm As mafia, you know everyone's role, so each player is not the same in your eyes, nor are their actions. It is thus possible you'd treat them differently.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:58 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 7:55 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:55 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:25 pm Here's My Reads list, I'll try to provide a small quip next to each one (just in the order i saw them)
Order of the Manboob
Wolbre04 - lord and savior
JJJ - t/t argument with MP7, me and Lilefer have a similar way of playing as t/t against each other


Knights of the Nipple

Kyle
Lapluie - compared to a previous civ game, u look good
Colin
Quin
Nova - fine except that JJJ vote
MP7 - Argument with Jay seems t/t
Marmot/Mac - got us info that makes laplui look pretty good
Quin


Charlie Black Man - baseball guy who isn't actually a black man
Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Dizzy - dont like your vote on JJJ
Scotty - always wants me dead
Choutas - Who is she

Sekiy
Elohcin
Floyd - Who is she

really exhausted tbh, ima get some sleep, cya guys later

Choutas is in this rainbow twice.

Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Choutas - Who is she

wolbre, what in the world does this mean? You wrote off that Choutas has the meta of low-posting, and asked who she was??

I don't know why, but this struck me as pretty funny.

lol which part

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:59 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 am Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 pm As mafia, you know everyone's role, so each player is not the same in your eyes, nor are their actions. It is thus possible you'd treat them differently.

Can you not fathom a town explanation for my behavior?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:00 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:59 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 am Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

I legitimately want to know what could tie me to this? Many times it feels like people are grasping hard at straws and it feels like you're tinfoiling.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:19 pm Makes sense. It looked like a player salad (is that the right use of the term?)

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 pm As mafia, you know everyone's role, so each player is not the same in your eyes, nor are their actions. It is thus possible you'd treat them differently.

Can you not fathom a town explanation for my behavior?

Nope. 8|

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm I suspect Marmot more than MP.

I think the focus needs to be broader moving forward. If I'm dead, don't leave stones unturned.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:19 pm Makes sense. It looked like a player salad (is that the right use of the term?)

What did, you mean the you, Colin, and Kyle thing?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:03 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:59 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 am Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm if i die tonight please do everything you can to prevent speedchuck from replacing in in a civ role. I really need this, guys.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm I suspect Marmot more than MP.

I think the focus needs to be broader moving forward. If I'm dead, don't leave stones unturned.

Explain.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm I suspect Marmot more than MP.

I think the focus needs to be broader moving forward. If I'm dead, don't leave stones unturned.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:10 am This argument makes me want to stick a sewing needle in my eye

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm I suspect Marmot more than MP.

I think the focus needs to be broader moving forward. If I'm dead, don't leave stones unturned.

Explain.

I perceive an accusation/return-fire dialogue primarily happening right now. That's fine, sure, do that, but don't let it drag out. Take a stance when it's there and move the crosshairs elsewhere.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:37 am The manager gets pretty upset when we're on the Internet and not listening to him, but I'm in the bathroom right now to squeeze this in:

I believe wolbre04 is in the same lineup as Cooties. The reason I say this is when he had my name in blue, he said he was thinking about "Upickem," which reminded me of this one Iranian ball player Hassan Upickem, who many years ago killed a man and acted like the victim was still alive. Crazy guy actually got away with it. This feels like a similar ruse.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:26 pm If y'all lynch Kyle you're probably dumb.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:03 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:59 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 am Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

What's your point?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 10:24 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:58 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:45 am Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Charlie Blackmon can keep your heart. I'll take a read or two instead.

I think you, jay, and dyslexicon seem trustworthy.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm if i die tonight please do everything you can to prevent speedchuck from replacing in in a civ role. I really need this, guys.

Legacy reads? Quickly?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:27 pm nova has done nothing since his earliest spat with Quin and I. High suspect.

Charlie Baseball has done nothing since he did nothing. High suspect.

wolbre04 has problem moments, and someone needs to check his ISO against the one he produced in Ass Class.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:03 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:59 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 am Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

What's your point?

I was explaining my confusion. What's confusing to you here?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:27 pm nova has done nothing since his earliest spat with Quin and I. High suspect.

Charlie Baseball has done nothing since he did nothing. High suspect.

wolbre04 has problem moments, and someone needs to check his ISO against the one he produced in Ass Class.

I'm with you. People need to do things. Too many inactives this game.

What alignment was wolbre in Ass Class?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:29 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm if i die tonight please do everything you can to prevent speedchuck from replacing in in a civ role. I really need this, guys.

Legacy reads? Quickly?

Is this customary on this forum to ask for this kind of thing? What sort of reason would you or Kyle have to suspect he's dying tonight...?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 10:43 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:38 am - My gut and brain are torn on so many of these reads. My brain says Jay is strong town, my gut says he's slight town. Similar deal with Quin. Reverse it with Dizzy and lapluie; slight town from brain and strong town from gut. Colin, Marmot, and Kyle are all in a similar boat, but I feel like at least one of the three is bad, and GTH right now I think that player is Kyle. I could totally be off though, and this begs reassessment and further evaluation as to why exactly I feel that way. To try to elaborate why I feel that way now... Colin and Kyle are more liked by my brain but my gut is skeptical. Marmot is absolutely loved by my gut but my brain says he's possibly the worst looking player right now; the gut read is a bit stronger in the end. Why Kyle sticks out of the 3 is... hard to say, other than I thought his continued discussion of Choutas looked forced and inauthentic -- exactly the opposite of what Jay took out of the posts. Charlienosis, Elohcin, and Scotty are the biggest question marks in my mind right now and default to slight mafia; they need to come in and town it up ASAP if they are town.

I have a lot of work to do today; I'll probably not be around until D2.

I get a strong “thinking out loud” vibe here, which is NAI and fine, but you do realize this doesn’t tell us much at all, right? That’s a lot of words for “I don’t know” and feels like it could almost be exaggerated.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:31 pm MP, who are your town reads?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:34 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:06 am I'm torn on Marmot because my gut still thinks he sounds genuine, but another thing I just thought of: Marmot said something to the effect of not understanding the suspicion on him. He also suspects me despite the fact that his EoD behavior is essentially the most comparable to my own. I tend to think I throw out statements like that more when I'm mafia than town, but again, that's a self-assessment off the top of my head so it could be completely inaccurate, and otherwise I'm certainly not comparable to everyone else. Is there any anecdotal evidence about this? Are players more likely to make a statement re: not understanding suspicion as town or mafia, or does it depend on the player?

You’re posing a lot of questions of “would mafia do this” in these posts in a row. But every person is different, soooo trying to read into what the general mafioso would do is like trying to blindly read the nutritional facts on a cereal box.

Would mafia ask so many questions about asking so many questions?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:36 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:23 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:19 am I'm taking in all of what you're saying, MP. Don't think I have an actual response though.

What happened with you and Jimmeeey mi day, btw? That quarrel/discussion thing seemed out of the blue to me and pops up in my head now and then.

I appreciate it. I'm just thinking out loud as much as I can, and hopefully at least some of it is useful. We've hit an awesome result, but while we can continue to kick ass and I hope we do, it can unfortunately go awry from here, so I'm trying to consider all of the possibilities. I've seen town blow something like before by being too closed-minded.

I'm not sure I could articulate anything particularly illuminating other than what's already in the thread. I was distrusting of Jay. I still am, very slightly, but he's OK for now. He apparently thought something I said was nonsense and pushed me on it. I'm not sure what he thinks right now exactly.

How much of jay’s interactive analysis do you agree with? You don’t trust him, so is there anything he brought up that looks awry? I know you already answered your own analysis

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:23 pm if i die tonight please do everything you can to prevent speedchuck from replacing in in a civ role. I really need this, guys.

Legacy reads? Quickly?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:32 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 10:43 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:38 am - My gut and brain are torn on so many of these reads. My brain says Jay is strong town, my gut says he's slight town. Similar deal with Quin. Reverse it with Dizzy and lapluie; slight town from brain and strong town from gut. Colin, Marmot, and Kyle are all in a similar boat, but I feel like at least one of the three is bad, and GTH right now I think that player is Kyle. I could totally be off though, and this begs reassessment and further evaluation as to why exactly I feel that way. To try to elaborate why I feel that way now... Colin and Kyle are more liked by my brain but my gut is skeptical. Marmot is absolutely loved by my gut but my brain says he's possibly the worst looking player right now; the gut read is a bit stronger in the end. Why Kyle sticks out of the 3 is... hard to say, other than I thought his continued discussion of Choutas looked forced and inauthentic -- exactly the opposite of what Jay took out of the posts. Charlienosis, Elohcin, and Scotty are the biggest question marks in my mind right now and default to slight mafia; they need to come in and town it up ASAP if they are town.

I have a lot of work to do today; I'll probably not be around until D2.

I get a strong “thinking out loud” vibe here, which is NAI and fine, but you do realize this doesn’t tell us much at all, right? That’s a lot of words for “I don’t know” and feels like it could almost be exaggerated.

I think, coupled with my other posts in this game, it tells more than you let on. To be fair though, which specific reads did you have a question about? I'll happily elaborate if that eases any concerns.

I also think it's misrepresentation to say any of these are "I don't know". Of course I don't know anyone's alignment. I'm trying to clearly articulate why I feel about people the way I do. Why would it be exaggerated, and is that a bad thing? If so, how?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 5:41 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 5:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 4:32 pm If right now it was Day 2 and I had ten seconds to place a final vote, it would be for Charlie Blackmon.

Why?

Of the people who have made at least one post, he is the only one for whom I cannot think of one favorable point.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:38 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:32 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 10:43 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:38 am - My gut and brain are torn on so many of these reads. My brain says Jay is strong town, my gut says he's slight town. Similar deal with Quin. Reverse it with Dizzy and lapluie; slight town from brain and strong town from gut. Colin, Marmot, and Kyle are all in a similar boat, but I feel like at least one of the three is bad, and GTH right now I think that player is Kyle. I could totally be off though, and this begs reassessment and further evaluation as to why exactly I feel that way. To try to elaborate why I feel that way now... Colin and Kyle are more liked by my brain but my gut is skeptical. Marmot is absolutely loved by my gut but my brain says he's possibly the worst looking player right now; the gut read is a bit stronger in the end. Why Kyle sticks out of the 3 is... hard to say, other than I thought his continued discussion of Choutas looked forced and inauthentic -- exactly the opposite of what Jay took out of the posts. Charlienosis, Elohcin, and Scotty are the biggest question marks in my mind right now and default to slight mafia; they need to come in and town it up ASAP if they are town.

I have a lot of work to do today; I'll probably not be around until D2.

I get a strong “thinking out loud” vibe here, which is NAI and fine, but you do realize this doesn’t tell us much at all, right? That’s a lot of words for “I don’t know” and feels like it could almost be exaggerated.

I think, coupled with my other posts in this game, it tells more than you let on. To be fair though, which specific reads did you have a question about? I'll happily elaborate if that eases any concerns.

I also think it's misrepresentation to say any of these are "I don't know". Of course I don't know anyone's alignment. I'm trying to clearly articulate why I feel about people the way I do. Why would it be exaggerated, and is that a bad thing? If so, how?

You're right that you do have a strong body of contributions so far in the game, so maybe I was a little hasty to say that. But the first time I read this I just got confused by where you were aligning people — "these three may be bad, and if it is it's Kyle, but it might not be, and also, Colin and Kyle appeal to these 2 things, Kyle and Marmot to these 2, and..." ... you probably don't see where I'm coming from, because they're your thoughts, but I had a hard time getting a precise meaning here and it pinged me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:40 pmwolbre good

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:40 pm No need to apologize! But to answer your second questions, exaggerating your uncertainty as scum is something I see a lot — hell, it's something I do a lot. You might not do it, I don't know if I've ever played you as scum (don't think so) but it seems reliable. So that's why it pinged me the way it did, too.