The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:52 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:57 pm Methinks that kill will backfire.

I’m a little worried about that too. I was surprised that the game didn’t officially end after the votes were in.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:57 pm**

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:57 pm Methinks that kill will backfire.
I’m a little worried about that too. I was surprised that the game didn’t officially end after the votes were in.

I meant for the scum.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:02 am**

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:57 pm Methinks that kill will backfire.
I’m a little worried about that too. I was surprised that the game didn’t officially end after the votes were in.

Games don't usually end immediately unless the host is using hammer voting. Besides, I'm fairly sire dunya is in bed by now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:40 am**

Votes aren't locked in. They will lock in when the poll ends.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:05 am**

The game has not ended b/c I am civ! The cop is wrong. I have seen a cop who claims things about those they haven't checked. I have, I have.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:06 am**

I'm not even going to vote. B/c you are all wrong. And civs are going to lose.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:14 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:44 pm Mata and I are both town, I guarantee it. It's either eloh or daisy. If I die lynch eloh because as of now I have more reason to believe it is her and that is all I'll say on the matter.

This isn't even a CLAIM!!! This is speculation. It's either Mac or Daisy if Mata is civ as nutella has most definitely CLAIMED here. Seriously people....listen to me. It is either Mac or Daisy.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:16 am**

Mata, I have thought you were civ from the get-go. Please listen to me.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:17 am**

If I were bad, I would be giving up at this point. Go check me out in other games.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:46 pm**

I hate lylo

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:47 pm**

Elo you have scum read me all game long and now at lylo I am here and you claim to be a civ. Why haven't you sought to case make against me now?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:10 pm**

Forget a grand entrance. Everybody knows it's the exit they'll remember.
Sorry ladies. Les jeux sont faits. Thanks for playing. Each other.

Elohcin was lynched. She was...

Spoiler: show

Congratulations to Spacedaisy (self-aligned role controller, shows as mafia if checked by cop), indiglo and Owner of a Lonely Heart for meeting their win conditions and seeing town eliminated.

thanks everyone for playing. civ's downfall was not talking to each other more, making it easy to hide. also lynching mongoose day 1. she was your inventor and could have distributed some helpful tools to town. nailing owner and indiglo the way you guys did was scary impressive, but after indiglo was lynched, the momentum just died.

huge thanks to Epignosis and speedchuck for helping me balance the game and providing feedback along the way.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:14 pm**

Ugh, so sorry everyone and especially eloh. I really didn't expect to die for real so I should have made it more clear that I wasn't sure either way. The one reason I leaned that way was that I was controlled the night I tried to cop eloh and didn't get a result, but obviously that wasn't related to her role and I guess Daisy controlling me helped her win since it biased me. I would have checked Daisy when I died.

So like you guys really shouldn't have taken my last post as gospel and it's not totally my fault but I feel really bad still. Congrats Daisy.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:21 pm**

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:23 pm**

Congrats Daisy and Owner and indigo! I can see why I died N1, but why wasn't it Jay instead of me since he named you guys first? I really was suspicious of that vote post for Mongoose that Daisy made and was disappointed no one followed up on my questions to Daisy about it that I asked N1. Was the mafia's win condition tied into Daisy surviving somehow? I can see why Daisy won but I'm a little confused about the mafia. Anyway, congrats to you three!

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:23 pm**

Congratulations bad guys. Still not sure what self-aligned role controller means exactly, it’s not in the Wiki role list, but it sounds fun. Thanks for hosting, Dunya!

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:24 pm**

Nice! I had a feeling about Daisy. Our N1 kill was down to between juliets and Daisy. I'm so glad we didn't go with Daisy. I just felt like you were communicating to me in the thread that we were on the same side. Maybe I read too much into your posts, but either way it worked.

I knew that killing 3J and allowing myself to be lynched was a risk, but I thought there was a good chance it would be worth it in the end.

That was a fun reintroduction to mafia. Sorry to juliets for putting you out of the game, and for the Mongoose mislynch day 1.

Got some crazy good gut readers out there, but if I play again (if I can find the time) I will take the lessons learned here with me, that's for sure!

Linki~

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:28 pm**

Oh yes thanks for hosting dunya and for having the dead chat!

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:29 pm**

I almost never win as Indy roles, so frankly I'm pretty stoked by that.

I think it's funny everything that you all took as so suspicious. I just legitimately had no idea who anyone was and my reads were 100% just my reads, my votes weren't aiming for a civ I just had shitty reads. I wasn't trying to protect anyone or anything since I knew who no one was. Except I did find out nutella was the role cop after I controlled her. So I knew I had to kill her the next night or she would've checked me. I didn't know that I would inherit the kill after the mafia were eliminated until I was given it.

I wasn't faking or trying to hide behind being busy either, I just was.

Linki: I wasn't mafia Juliets. I think they just won because the civs died, don't need to be alive to win I guess.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:30 pm**

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:24 pm Nice! I had a feeling about Daisy. Our N1 kill was down to between juliets and Daisy. I'm so glad we didn't go with Daisy. I just felt like you were communicating to me in the thread that we were on the same side. Maybe I read too much into your posts, but either way it worked.

I knew that killing 3J and allowing myself to be lynched was a risk, but I thought there was a good chance it would be worth it in the end.

That was a fun reintroduction to mafia. Sorry to juliets for putting you out of the game, and for the Mongoose mislynch day 1.

Got some crazy good gut readers out there, but if I play again (if I can find the time) I will take the lessons learned here with me, that's for sure!

Linki~

You definitely read too much into my posts. I just didn't think you were bad. I didn't consider myself mafia, I was Indy. So I was just scum hunting like a civ and trying to survive, hoping you guys wouldn't kill me.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:29 pm I almost never win as Indy roles, so frankly I'm pretty stoked by that.

I think it's funny everything that you all took as so suspicious. I just legitimately had no idea who anyone was and my reads were 100% just my reads, my votes weren't aiming for a civ I just had shitty reads. I wasn't trying to protect anyone or anything since I knew who no one was. Except I did find out nutella was the role cop after I controlled her. So I knew I had to kill her the next night or she would've checked me. I didn't know that I would inherit the kill after the mafia were eliminated until I was given it.

I wasn't faking or trying to hide behind being busy either, I just was.

Linki: I wasn't mafia Juliets. I think they just won because the civs died, don't need to be alive to win I guess.

I don’t understand that last part. There was still two civs. Did you turn in a kill right after7 or something?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm**

I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:43 pm**

Never mind. Neither civ had an ability to survive, so that was that. I would have to take classes in mafia to ever catch up!

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:45 pm**

I am glad no one thought of it. I did but I wasn't bringing it up.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:58 pm**

I will never win again.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:12 pm**

For curiosity's sake, when's the last time town even won here?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:14 pm**

Number of posts in game when I died on Night 2: approximately 720

Number of posts in game after I died: 124

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:15 pm**

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:12 pm For curiosity's sake, when's the last time town even won here?

2018 Game of Champions and the Daily Fantasy heist are the two I recall.

It hasn't always been so rare. This is truly a barren streak.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:19 pm**

Being a cop is difficult. It is difficult knowing the allignment of people and giving reasons to back up your "thoughts" when you just know it b/c you know it. But....it should be obvious that cops need to be careful on who they call bad and word it in the correct way so once they are dead and their role is revealed people don't take every word they said as gospel truth. Also, to those who are not the cop, don't take everything ba cop says as gospel truth. I have seen this hurt civs too many times. You guys should have listened to me when I brought up Nutella's post. She never claimed I was bad. Never. She speculated only. Yes, nutella, you could have been a bit clearer on your speculation and made it known that this wasn't a claim. But... I also think anyone who read that as a claim should have known better. I don't fully blame you.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pm**

When I was lynched in Community Mafia, I was less annoyed by getting lynched than I was that nobody other than the two people I suspected engaged with my posts at all. I was a foregone conclusion, much like Elohcin here, and one nobody even revisited.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:19 pm Being a cop is difficult. It is difficult knowing the allignment of people and giving reasons to back up your "thoughts" when you just know it b/c you know it. But....it should be obvious that cops need to be careful on who they call bad and word it in the correct way so once they are dead and their role is revealed people don't take every word they said as gospel truth. Also, to those who are not the cop, don't take everything ba cop says as gospel truth. I have seen this hurt civs too many times. You guys should have listened to me when I brought up Nutella's post. She never claimed I was bad. Never. She speculated only. Yes, nutella, you could have been a bit clearer on your speculation and made it known that this wasn't a claim. But... I also think anyone who read that as a claim should have known better. I don't fully blame you.

Or just vote no lynch and win the game.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.

I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:22 pm**

This last day should have been a no lynch. The absence of conversation will kill any civilian team though, so it hardly matters. This is something that has been damaging in three straight games -- Shockheaded Peter, Community, and now Gossip Girl. The conversation has to keep moving continuously.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.
I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.

Well, I can see why Daisy wouldn't answer it, she wouldn't have wanted you to be knowledgeable. And Mata probably didn't know because that's new terminology and she hasn't played in a while. Did Mac even see it?

Also [mention]Matahari[/mention] don't let this game get you down. Play another with us.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:08 pm**

Thanks Juliet. I think I’m going to watch a few games before I play again. There is too much I don’t understand. The last game I played, roleclaiming wasn’t allowed, POE as a term was not used, and people posted way more. I’m sorry Elohcin, I’ll know more before I try to play again.
I was a vanilla civ of course, someone’s mother (played by the fabulous Margaret Colin). I wasn’t even aware there would be so many vanillas in the game, but I guess it was because of being a small game. I like the old days when nearly everyone had an ability.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.
I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.
Well, I can see why Daisy wouldn't answer it, she wouldn't have wanted you to be knowledgeable. And Mata probably didn't know because that's new terminology and she hasn't played in a while. Did Mac even see it?

Also @Matahari don't let this game get you down. Play another with us.

@Juliets NO ONE would talk to me or respond to anything. Mac finally said ONE thing to me not even related to anything I had said and it was too late for anything. Civs did this to themselves.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 pm**

Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:08 pm I like the old days when nearly everyone had an ability.

Don't sit out Mata. Jump in.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:47 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pm When I was lynched in Community Mafia, I was less annoyed by getting lynched than I was that nobody other than the two people I suspected engaged with my posts at all. I was a foregone conclusion, much like Elohcin here, and one nobody even revisited.

And I was central to the plot of both. Mac knows how to lose a Lylo game as a civ it seems.

Come one come all Mafia teams, don't ever kill me.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.
I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.
Well, I can see why Daisy wouldn't answer it, she wouldn't have wanted you to be knowledgeable. And Mata probably didn't know because that's new terminology and she hasn't played in a while. Did Mac even see it?

Also @Matahari don't let this game get you down. Play another with us.
@Juliets NO ONE would talk to me or respond to anything. Mac finally said ONE thing to me not even related to anything I had said and it was too late for anything. Civs did this to themselves.

You tunnelled me all game long. At least I was right about you. If the shoe was on the other foot and nutella dies immediately after telling you guys to lynch me I am a dead person the same way you were. Shit happens. Was an unfortunate game but it's not easy to win as a civilian when the game is at lylo and the person who is left isn't even actually a Mafia.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:51 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.
I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.
Well, I can see why Daisy wouldn't answer it, she wouldn't have wanted you to be knowledgeable. And Mata probably didn't know because that's new terminology and she hasn't played in a while. Did Mac even see it?

Also @Matahari don't let this game get you down. Play another with us.
@Juliets NO ONE would talk to me or respond to anything. Mac finally said ONE thing to me not even related to anything I had said and it was too late for anything. Civs did this to themselves.
You tunnelled me all game long. At least I was right about you. If the shoe was on the other foot and nutella dies immediately after telling you guys to lynch me I am a dead person the same way you were. Shit happens. Was an unfortunate game but it's not easy to win as a civilian when the game is at lylo and the person who is left isn't even actually a Mafia.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:52 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pm When I was lynched in Community Mafia, I was less annoyed by getting lynched than I was that nobody other than the two people I suspected engaged with my posts at all. I was a foregone conclusion, much like Elohcin here, and one nobody even revisited.
And I was central to the plot of both. Mac knows how to lose a Lylo game as a civ it seems.

Come one come all Mafia teams, don't ever kill me.

I'm shit as hell at endgame. I truly am.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:56 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.
I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.
Well, I can see why Daisy wouldn't answer it, she wouldn't have wanted you to be knowledgeable. And Mata probably didn't know because that's new terminology and she hasn't played in a while. Did Mac even see it?

Also @Matahari don't let this game get you down. Play another with us.
@Juliets NO ONE would talk to me or respond to anything. Mac finally said ONE thing to me not even related to anything I had said and it was too late for anything. Civs did this to themselves.
You tunnelled me all game long. At least I was right about you. If the shoe was on the other foot and nutella dies immediately after telling you guys to lynch me I am a dead person the same way you were. Shit happens. Was an unfortunate game but it's not easy to win as a civilian when the game is at lylo and the person who is left isn't even actually a Mafia.

Spoiler: show
Vote no lynch.

Why? We had a dead cop that told us to lynch her lol.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:01 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pmit's not easy to win as a civilian when the game is at lylo and the person who is left isn't even actually a Mafia.

Yep, I don't fault y'all for that confusion (nor do I fault dunya). A 12-player game is very friendly to the presence of an independent by the numbers. You'd just emerged from the 9 vs. 3 Community though, and that begs to bias the mindset. Spacedaisy was rightly dissociated from the mafia team. Unfortunately that says nothing about her as a candidate for being an independent. Shit sandwich.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:02 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:56 pm Why? We had a dead cop that told us to lynch her lol.

Hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think this is where some discussion was sorely needed. nutella didn't indicate that she'd ID'd Elohcin as a mafioso (she maintained Daisy as a candidate). Oh well.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:03 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 pm I do not understand why "no lynch" wasn't the unanimous decision here.
I asked the thread what mylo was and why there would even be a no lynch option. No one would even talk to me. It was kind of rude actually.
Well, I can see why Daisy wouldn't answer it, she wouldn't have wanted you to be knowledgeable. And Mata probably didn't know because that's new terminology and she hasn't played in a while. Did Mac even see it?

Also @Matahari don't let this game get you down. Play another with us.
@Juliets NO ONE would talk to me or respond to anything. Mac finally said ONE thing to me not even related to anything I had said and it was too late for anything. Civs did this to themselves.
You tunnelled me all game long. At least I was right about you. If the shoe was on the other foot and nutella dies immediately after telling you guys to lynch me I am a dead person the same way you were. Shit happens. Was an unfortunate game but it's not easy to win as a civilian when the game is at lylo and the person who is left isn't even actually a Mafia.

Spoiler: show
Vote no lynch.

Why? We had a dead cop that told us to lynch her lol.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:44 pm Mata and I are both town, I guarantee it. It's either eloh or daisy. If I die lynch eloh because as of now I have more reason to believe it is her and that is all I'll say on the matter.

I agree this was a poor swan song, but nobody talked about the OR here?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:05 pm**

One lesson I take away from this is the value of voting no lynch sometimes. I always consider it a non-starter but when it gets down to Mylo it's worth taking a look at. Maybe it would be best if we just focus on what we learned. I don't want dunya to think we are slamming her game, she did a good job.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:08 pm**

dunya did a great job!

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:09 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:05 pm One lesson I take away from this is the value of voting no lynch sometimes. I always consider it a non-starter but when it gets down to Mylo it's worth taking a look at. Maybe it would be best if we just focus on what we learned. I don't want dunya to think we are slamming her game, she did a good job.

It's an easy tool:

If you have three civilians and one mafia, 100% vote no lynch unless you know there are powers that can influence votes in play.

No-lynch forces mafia to reduce the pool for you. It prevents you from making a critical mistake. A 3 civilian -1 mafia lynch should almost never happen if a no-lynch is available.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:15 pm**

Oh thanks Epi, good rule, I'll remember it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:58 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:56 pm Why? We had a dead cop that told us to lynch her lol.
Hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think this is where some discussion was sorely needed. nutella didn't indicate that she'd ID'd Elohcin as a mafioso (she maintained Daisy as a candidate). Oh well.

No that was obvious. I knew she hadn't ID'd her. But the cop is still in a far better place to make the final call than distracted ass Mac. I just hoped she was correctuuuuu with her deductions. Part of me was like ... deja vu.

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