The Syndicate

Ok I'm taking a break, I've been here all day and have other things I need to do.

[mention]Evenstar[/mention] what reason did you have for scum reading 112?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm Ok I'm taking a break, I've been here all day and have other things I need to do.

That's a good idea. Breaks are important.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm @Evenstar what reason did you have for scum reading 112?

Their interaction with Iaafr was weird. I think that's on Iaafr now though.

I'm not even caught up rn and my name's still all over the place.

I think it's pretty obvious that the mafia are worried about me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

But in this game characters are random, in ME like me being shep meant that I was good and you being some bad alien thing meant you were bad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

I mean I only my role and the sample role but from those super no

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

Uh, ok.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

tell 'em

There are reasons why I posted what I did. None of them should particularly concern anyone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

And it was like this where characters were assigned randomly?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

But in this game characters are random, in ME like me being shep meant that I was good and you being some bad alien thing meant you were bad

I guess I assumed they weren’t random because my “character” is similar enough to the example.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

But in this game characters are random, in ME like me being shep meant that I was good and you being some bad alien thing meant you were bad

From what I've read of you: you seem too reasonable to be town. What do you think?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

Why's Drago assuming 112 knew this before him?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

I hate the phrasing of this. All that shade at my case on 112.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

Why's Drago assuming 112 knew this before him?

Knew what?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

And it was like this where characters were assigned randomly?

The scumteams each followed a theme but the overall role assignment was random.

Iirc, roles were themey, not randomized.

I read the setup as like “cop” doesn’t necessarily apply to a town character who is good at catching baddies. A random town character is the cop.

Not like mashes where half the scumteam is good guys and half is bad guys cause the flavor is randomized.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

I hate the tone of the bolded.

112 can you please stop trying to pocket people and let me townread you

thanks

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:17 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

Why's Drago assuming 112 knew this before him?

Knew what?

that roles were completely NAI

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:15 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

But in this game characters are random, in ME like me being shep meant that I was good and you being some bad alien thing meant you were bad

From what I've read of you: you seem too reasonable to be town. What do you think?

aww how nice

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm I don't really see the point in making character claiming legal when your character isn't alignment indicative. So I do believe in good characters being town, bad characters being scum. And with that being said, safe claims are probably a thing this game. This is technically a tinfoil but it's very logical in my eyes.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the rules. It's all pretty clear in the first post. Alignment has nothing to do with character. Claiming is illegal, only character claiming is ok because it has no bearing on role. So of course there can't be fake claims because that contradicts all of that. How are you not getting this

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:17 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

Why's Drago assuming 112 knew this before him?

Knew what?

that roles were completely NAI

I mean maybe Drago is assuming 112 read the rules

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:18 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

And it was like this where characters were assigned randomly?

The scumteams each followed a theme but the overall role assignment was random.

Iirc, roles were themey, not randomized.

I read the setup as like “cop” doesn’t necessarily apply to a town character who is good at catching baddies. A random town character is the cop.

Not like mashes where half the scumteam is good guys and half is bad guys cause the flavor is randomized.

I guess that’s a valid reasoning but I don’t think that’s right or in line with what we’ve been told

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

I hate the phrasing of this. All that shade at my case on 112.

Disregard the phrasing: Do I understand your case correctly?
Regard the phrasing: I think it’s a good case with your premises so what do you have a problem with?

Seems like I can't make phone posts. The forum logs me out and I lose my posts. Let's see if this works. Okay linki came up so it probs is gonna work.

[mention]Evenstar[/mention] I thought I was gonna find a Jack scum game at first. I wasn't looking to defend him at all.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:18 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

And it was like this where characters were assigned randomly?

The scumteams each followed a theme but the overall role assignment was random.

Iirc, roles were themey, not randomized.

I read the setup as like “cop” doesn’t necessarily apply to a town character who is good at catching baddies. A random town character is the cop.

Not like mashes where half the scumteam is good guys and half is bad guys cause the flavor is randomized.

I guess that’s a valid reasoning but I don’t think that’s right or in line with what we’ve been told

I tend to skim the rules.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

I'm not sure what you mean but the hosts publicized what a vanilla town pm looks like.

[mention]nutella[/mention] how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm I don't really see the point in making character claiming legal when your character isn't alignment indicative. So I do believe in good characters being town, bad characters being scum. And with that being said, safe claims are probably a thing this game. This is technically a tinfoil but it's very logical in my eyes.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the rules. It's all pretty clear in the first post. Alignment has nothing to do with character. Claiming is illegal, only character claiming is ok because it has no bearing on role. So of course there can't be fake claims because that contradicts all of that. How are you not getting this

Didn't read the rules.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm @Evenstar what reason did you have for scum reading 112?

Their interaction with Iaafr was weird. I think that's on Iaafr now though.

Does this mean you now town read 112 and scum read iaafr? (I think you've said as much just making sure)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:30 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

I hate the phrasing of this. All that shade at my case on 112.

Disregard the phrasing: Do I understand your case correctly?
Regard the phrasing: I think it’s a good case with your premises so what do you have a problem with?

Yes.
Because you're pretty much saying that I was being manipulative and trying to diminish something that could happen in the future, which isn't the case.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm @nutella how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

I thought she made some pretty good points. You feel kinda off, and the fact that you went hunting for meta backup on something this early is only part of it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

I considered being smarmy and annoying here, because you are clearly being deliberately obtuse. But in general I like your schtick, so let's give this one more go.

(i) I assert that you have a particular tone to your posts that is 'unusual' compared to most other players;
(ii) I termed that tone 'passive' based on a certain manner of phrasing within your posts;
(iii) We disagreed on what a 'passive' tone is;
(iv) My explanation for why I asked you this question was because I use tone-reading to help form my scumreads, and I tend to correlate passivity (as I define it, which is to say as I find how you seem to post) with scumminess;
(v) However, at the same time I acknowledged that certain types of players, e.g. one on my home site, just always post in a style that I tend to scumread, and I suspect you are one of those types of players, hence my initial question to you.

As to your question, I am not familiar with Mac beyond spectating some Champs games, and I [/i]have[/] already responded to your point about this.

At this point, I shall become smarmy and annoying if you want to continue this conversation. It is going absolutely nowhere and is not conducive to solving the game for me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

I hate the phrasing of this. All that shade at my case on 112.

...

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm @nutella how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

I thought she made some pretty good points. You feel kinda off, and the fact that you went hunting for meta backup on something this early is only part of it.

People keep saying this sorta vague stuff about me and it's starting to bother me. What about me "feels off"? If you don't explain it I can't do anything about it. It's just frustrating. How is hunting for meta this early relevant when it's for something as specific as trying to correlate Jack's alignment when he snap townreads Creature? Should I have waited til day 4 to do it? Garbage tier shit.

hey drago

am I scum, and why

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:34 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:30 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.

Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.

No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.

I hate the phrasing of this. All that shade at my case on 112.

Disregard the phrasing: Do I understand your case correctly?
Regard the phrasing: I think it’s a good case with your premises so what do you have a problem with?

Yes.
Because you're pretty much saying that I was being manipulative and trying to diminish something that could happen in the future, which isn't the case.

No I think it’s fine reasoning and fwiw you might be right I just don’t think it’s a thing that could happen given my understanding of the nature of this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm @nutella how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

I thought she made some pretty good points. You feel kinda off, and the fact that you went hunting for meta backup on something this early is only part of it.

People keep saying this sorta vague stuff about me and it's starting to bother me. What about me "feels off"? If you don't explain it I can't do anything about it. It's just frustrating. How is hunting for meta this early relevant when it's for something as specific as trying to correlate Jack's alignment when he snap townreads Creature? Should I have waited til day 4 to do it? Garbage tier shit.

... "suspected for the wrong reasons"?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm @nutella how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

I thought she made some pretty good points. You feel kinda off, and the fact that you went hunting for meta backup on something this early is only part of it.

People keep saying this sorta vague stuff about me and it's starting to bother me. What about me "feels off"? If you don't explain it I can't do anything about it. It's just frustrating. How is hunting for meta this early relevant when it's for something as specific as trying to correlate Jack's alignment when he snap townreads Creature? Should I have waited til day 4 to do it? Garbage tier shit.

... "suspected for the wrong reasons"?

Huh?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:39 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm @nutella how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

I thought she made some pretty good points. You feel kinda off, and the fact that you went hunting for meta backup on something this early is only part of it.

People keep saying this sorta vague stuff about me and it's starting to bother me. What about me "feels off"? If you don't explain it I can't do anything about it. It's just frustrating. How is hunting for meta this early relevant when it's for something as specific as trying to correlate Jack's alignment when he snap townreads Creature? Should I have waited til day 4 to do it? Garbage tier shit.

... "suspected for the wrong reasons"?

Huh?

Feels a lot like "what can I do to get townread by you." There are what, two people suspecting you? Town Mac has thicker skin than this.

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

Someone give me a new convo to join in on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:18 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.

And it was like this where characters were assigned randomly?

The scumteams each followed a theme but the overall role assignment was random.

Iirc, roles were themey, not randomized.

I read the setup as like “cop” doesn’t necessarily apply to a town character who is good at catching baddies. A random town character is the cop.

Not like mashes where half the scumteam is good guys and half is bad guys cause the flavor is randomized.

I guess that’s a valid reasoning but I don’t think that’s right or in line with what we’ve been told

I tend to skim the rules.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:34 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:08 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:52 pm @Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

Is it Color Wheel?

Yeppers.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:43 pm You got something stressing you out, Mac?

Mac actually doesn’t have that thick of skin, his job is just easy because of and when he’s accused his entire energy focus goes into rebuking it no matter his alignment

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:54 pm Someone give me a new convo to join in on.

What are your opinions on Drago, 112 and Iaafr?

It’s for that reason alone I steer clear of mac because I don’t have the energy to go against him

(I tried once and it killed me internally)