Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pm
it actually makes sense on so many levels
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
theyre actually all townLady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
A bit of clarification:Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:46 amWell for starters I laugh at the idea that the posts were unreadably long and designed to skim when they barely break 2 paragraphs total for the longest ones.iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:16 am@Pawn Lelouch at some point i want your thoughts on this thought in particularLady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:50 am Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.
It's IIoA. They say many words, but not much in the end.
More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide. It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.
Now the question here is if they actually fall under informative or not. And I know you're going to call me a fence sitter again but I'm conflicted for that aspect.
He has some genuinely good insights in some of the posts, but oftentimes he is posting one to two word answers on if he agree with a post or not without ever explaining why he thinks this. So leaves the thought process blank and let's people just think up a reason and let's our imagination do the work for him as to why he feels this way.
Some of this could absolutely be the clear laziness he felt in some of the later ones showing up, but it's honestly semi-consistent as I am reading through them all.
I town lean read him regardless of this analysis, but in regards to LLD's assertion I think one is flat out wrong and the other one is very much one that depends on perspective. Since it feels like very little to me but I am also a heavy wall poster when I am doing proper analysis so I have a self admitted bias on this front.
While the flat out wrong section is a small ding against LLD imo.
the thingPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:47 pmWeren't you also vibing with Epi and solidly TRing Mac?
Otherwise I don't really mind that as a POE honestly.
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:02 amthere are so many town players who create annoying walls who dont seem self aware of how annoying their walls are to readLady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:54 am Pawn the posts were fucking giant and in sequence of each other, it was a fucking slog to read in which I felt my eyes glazing over multiple times
any assertion that this is not the truth, and that it's not intentionally done given the way the quotes were setup feels a bit disingenuous, at best.
epi's quotewalls were like
in the 20th percentile of unreadableness at worst
if it was intentional he couldve made them a lot worse while still having plausible deniability
I care about killing as many words as I can.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:04 am Epi is a writer and English teacher. He cares about words a lot.
Hm, what was the ratio of syndicate regular starters to invited players? Since we should probably assume boo is technically town since he took over Spiny's slot.
Fair enough.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:26 amThere were 30 players in the game and my time is limited. I paid little attention to drago but I liked who was on his wagon more than who was on 112's. I had wanted a TSP lynch but my fellow TSP voters switched off to Drago.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:48 pmBeyond the reason supplied here, I have no idea why Radishes voted Dragomir.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm Welp, [VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine then. Not sold on a 112 lynch.
Also, meta. 112's town game is full of inconsistencies and unexamined read switches. I think their round was poor, and am very willing to entertain them as scum, but I read it as a lack of effort as opposed to a nefarious agenda. Either way, I'd love to see more from them today.
The first game I hosted had two mafia teams of six and two independents.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:05 pmA unified 8 feels like an awful lot for the Syndicate but it’s been a while since I was in a big game so maybe I am misremembering.Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:03 pmI guessed 8 because 30/4 = 7.5 and you round up for large games, but that's probably not a unified team. Right now I would be betting ~6 team scum with ~2 independents, given that there were six team members in the movie plus Mal as a 3rd party plus maybe the target as another 3rd party. There could be surprises in there: I for one can't wait for someone to suddenly get hit with a train from out of nowhereColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 am One other question, what are we thinking set-up wise in terms of team numbers? I’ve seen references to 8 scum but do we think 1 team? Indies, etc. ?
I think that's why quin quoted my post about him being unaligned with tsp being interesting
That could fit with some of the placements as well in terms of groupings. Nova, Mac, Epi, etc vs the others. Since remember Nova's really horrible vote, how Epi never self presed onto Drago at any point during Eod, etc.iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:33 amI think that's why quin quoted my post about him being unaligned with tsp being interesting
there's two syndicate scum factions and they've been pushing each other all game
Mac is on dragos team I think
Mac is unaligned with Juliets and tsp
etc
Quantity without quality? I made one post for each person. If there were six people I would have made six. On what basis are you criticizing the quality?
You know I’m town, or should.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
scummy postLady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
And I am clearly the towniest town who has ever towned. Not a muddy as hell ball of null at all, I swearsies. :vNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:42 amYou know I’m town, or should.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
Also I’m mad I can’t collect on our bet with the restriction rules.
I don't think mafia were coordinated at all Day 1. Dragomir himself was absent and had a vote on MacDougall.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:35 pm112: tough to get a read on because there is so much that I clearly missed for there to be a huge wagon. One thing in their favor though is that if they were scum I would expect scum to sacrifice them rather than the Godfather, right? Based on content in this thread so far I am null.
Dom: felt like the civ Dom I have seen before, with more GIFs. I understood where he was coming from eventually. Tentative thumbs up
LLD: not enough content, just a lot of GIFs and complaining. Lean more wolf than not because a wolf would prob be more predisposed toward complaining if their Godfather got lynched but that’s pretty much all I got
can i see some credentials? id card?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amAnd I am clearly the towniest town who has ever towned. Not a muddy as hell ball of null at all, I swearsies. :vNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:42 amYou know I’m town, or should.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
Also I’m mad I can’t collect on our bet with the restriction rules.
Yes. With what else is there to disagree?112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amis the only thing you disagreed with in that post concerning you?
fix'd112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:42 amscummy postLady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
@Master Radishes - would i still be having a bad game if it turns out a bunch more of my reads than the drago one have been right?
sorry i'm not showing my work, boss- i know that probably peeves you- but i do have reasons for suspecting who i do and leaning town on the players i do.
Look at my avie. Can you really look at that face and say untrustworthy?112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:45 amcan i see some credentials? id card?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amAnd I am clearly the towniest town who has ever towned. Not a muddy as hell ball of null at all, I swearsies. :vNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:42 amYou know I’m town, or should.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
Also I’m mad I can’t collect on our bet with the restriction rules.
Why were you so concerned with what you looked like?112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pmthe thing that looks bad on me in regards to the first blurb is that i was absent for eod and left my vote on someone whose flip we don't know.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:35 pm112: tough to get a read on because there is so much that I clearly missed for there to be a huge wagon. One thing in their favor though is that if they were scum I would expect scum to sacrifice them rather than the Godfather, right? Based on content in this thread so far I am null.
Dom: felt like the civ Dom I have seen before, with more GIFs. I understood where he was coming from eventually. Tentative thumbs up
LLD: not enough content, just a lot of GIFs and complaining. Lean more wolf than not because a wolf would prob be more predisposed toward complaining if their Godfather got lynched but that’s pretty much all I got
explanation that i haven't given so far- it's honestly what happened, lol:
i just wasn't in the mood to be on so left for a while and did my own things. the game got into my head and i checked right before eod and saw that i wasn't leading in votes and thought it would be best not to change anything because it'd be a bad look. i understand that might be considered a wolfy mindset, but i figure that even though i'm town, i need to take care of how i look in the thread, and i felt it would've sunk me if i intervened in anything after just ducking out. so that's my confession.![]()
I don’t push drago the way I did if he was my teammate.Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amAnd I am clearly the towniest town who has ever towned. Not a muddy as hell ball of null at all, I swearsies. :vNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:42 amYou know I’m town, or should.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
Also I’m mad I can’t collect on our bet with the restriction rules.
I don't know what this means.Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pm ... if 112 is town, then Epi could still be a scum wagon.
... and he hasn't checked back into the thread since he dumped all his night stuff on us.
... and he said he wouldn't...
... is this
literally
my qualifier scumgame
post giant walls, don't reply to criticism, let everyone assume no scum would ever do that much work?
the appeal to "please save my work" smells deeply of LAMIST to me
"look at all this I've done, don't let it be lost"
did I get pocketed?
Pawn Lelouch give me a second pair of eyes here I'm having a crisis of confidence
Oh I agree. There's a reason I'm going along with iaafr's theory today. It fits my POE extremely well, with you nowhere in it.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:51 amI don’t push drago the way I did if he was my teammate.Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amAnd I am clearly the towniest town who has ever towned. Not a muddy as hell ball of null at all, I swearsies. :vNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:42 amYou know I’m town, or should.Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:45 pmTake Radishes out, put in IIAF
Don't know about Nova, but also one of You/Pawn/Nanook is scum IMO, so....
Also I’m mad I can’t collect on our bet with the restriction rules.
that's ok. i don't really need your opinion of me.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:50 amWhy were you so concerned with what you looked like?112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pmthe thing that looks bad on me in regards to the first blurb is that i was absent for eod and left my vote on someone whose flip we don't know.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:35 pm112: tough to get a read on because there is so much that I clearly missed for there to be a huge wagon. One thing in their favor though is that if they were scum I would expect scum to sacrifice them rather than the Godfather, right? Based on content in this thread so far I am null.
Dom: felt like the civ Dom I have seen before, with more GIFs. I understood where he was coming from eventually. Tentative thumbs up
LLD: not enough content, just a lot of GIFs and complaining. Lean more wolf than not because a wolf would prob be more predisposed toward complaining if their Godfather got lynched but that’s pretty much all I got
explanation that i haven't given so far- it's honestly what happened, lol:
i just wasn't in the mood to be on so left for a while and did my own things. the game got into my head and i checked right before eod and saw that i wasn't leading in votes and thought it would be best not to change anything because it'd be a bad look. i understand that might be considered a wolfy mindset, but i figure that even though i'm town, i need to take care of how i look in the thread, and i felt it would've sunk me if i intervened in anything after just ducking out. so that's my confession.![]()
To me, you being absent when you (by your own admission) could have been in the thread raising hell because lynching you would be dumb does not improve my opinion of you.
Oh I forgot about answering this post. @Evenstar it should be fine, while his vote associatives associatives aren't perfect, generally he's honestly been fairly clean, especially during D1 and this is the type of game where work taking up time should be assumed try as a courtesy. While he could be scum, odds are that he's just town rather than a pocketing scum.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:52 amI don't know what this means.Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pm ... if 112 is town, then Epi could still be a scum wagon.
... and he hasn't checked back into the thread since he dumped all his night stuff on us.
... and he said he wouldn't...
... is this
literally
my qualifier scumgame
post giant walls, don't reply to criticism, let everyone assume no scum would ever do that much work?
the appeal to "please save my work" smells deeply of LAMIST to me
"look at all this I've done, don't let it be lost"
did I get pocketed?
Pawn Lelouch give me a second pair of eyes here I'm having a crisis of confidence
You post all this, but evade my question with one of your own (that doesn't go anywhere):112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pmi don't mean ethics=applied science(Will) in the literal sense that it can be reduced to the application of empirically-verified scientific principles of the Will. The Will, by all definitions I know of it, is supposedly outside of the normal laws of cause and effect, and there thereby can't be any science of it in the traditional sense. To say it's an applied science with a literal implication would be nonsense.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pmIt sparks disagreement or I’ve just been whooshed.
I guess I just went through a lot of my life understanding ethics to be in the very theoretical realm; but I've recently been understanding it more as something that must be applied in some way to make any sense of itself. If there is a purpose in studying ethics, it follows that there must be sense in applying it; and there's no other means to apply it than through the application of the Will, no?
iaafr, help me out here.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:45 amYes. With what else is there to disagree?112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amis the only thing you disagreed with in that post concerning you?
and what does that mean?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:56 amYou post all this, but evade my question with one of your own (that doesn't go anywhere):112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pmi don't mean ethics=applied science(Will) in the literal sense that it can be reduced to the application of empirically-verified scientific principles of the Will. The Will, by all definitions I know of it, is supposedly outside of the normal laws of cause and effect, and there thereby can't be any science of it in the traditional sense. To say it's an applied science with a literal implication would be nonsense.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pmIt sparks disagreement or I’ve just been whooshed.
I guess I just went through a lot of my life understanding ethics to be in the very theoretical realm; but I've recently been understanding it more as something that must be applied in some way to make any sense of itself. If there is a purpose in studying ethics, it follows that there must be sense in applying it; and there's no other means to apply it than through the application of the Will, no?
iaafr, help me out here.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:45 amYes. With what else is there to disagree?112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amis the only thing you disagreed with in that post concerning you?
You're right. You don't. Maybe a rope is what you really need.112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:54 amthat's ok. i don't really need your opinion of me.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:50 amWhy were you so concerned with what you looked like?112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pmthe thing that looks bad on me in regards to the first blurb is that i was absent for eod and left my vote on someone whose flip we don't know.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:35 pm112: tough to get a read on because there is so much that I clearly missed for there to be a huge wagon. One thing in their favor though is that if they were scum I would expect scum to sacrifice them rather than the Godfather, right? Based on content in this thread so far I am null.
Dom: felt like the civ Dom I have seen before, with more GIFs. I understood where he was coming from eventually. Tentative thumbs up
LLD: not enough content, just a lot of GIFs and complaining. Lean more wolf than not because a wolf would prob be more predisposed toward complaining if their Godfather got lynched but that’s pretty much all I got
explanation that i haven't given so far- it's honestly what happened, lol:
i just wasn't in the mood to be on so left for a while and did my own things. the game got into my head and i checked right before eod and saw that i wasn't leading in votes and thought it would be best not to change anything because it'd be a bad look. i understand that might be considered a wolfy mindset, but i figure that even though i'm town, i need to take care of how i look in the thread, and i felt it would've sunk me if i intervened in anything after just ducking out. so that's my confession.![]()
To me, you being absent when you (by your own admission) could have been in the thread raising hell because lynching you would be dumb does not improve my opinion of you.
You said my posts were "quantity without quality."112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 amand what does that mean?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:56 amYou post all this, but evade my question with one of your own (that doesn't go anywhere):112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pmi don't mean ethics=applied science(Will) in the literal sense that it can be reduced to the application of empirically-verified scientific principles of the Will. The Will, by all definitions I know of it, is supposedly outside of the normal laws of cause and effect, and there thereby can't be any science of it in the traditional sense. To say it's an applied science with a literal implication would be nonsense.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pmIt sparks disagreement or I’ve just been whooshed.
I guess I just went through a lot of my life understanding ethics to be in the very theoretical realm; but I've recently been understanding it more as something that must be applied in some way to make any sense of itself. If there is a purpose in studying ethics, it follows that there must be sense in applying it; and there's no other means to apply it than through the application of the Will, no?
iaafr, help me out here.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:45 amYes. With what else is there to disagree?112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:44 amis the only thing you disagreed with in that post concerning you?