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Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:01 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm I have no reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con. Their posts about each other are boring.

You ISOing now? I want to see!

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm**

I doubt Epi and MP are mafia teammates. The former expressed trust, and the latter was peturbed in standard Epignosis form. I don't know what "subjunctive mood" is.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:00 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:58 pmbecause it ironically makes me feel better about LC.
Then the dialogue has purpose.

Well, for me anyway. It's a gut feel, but he just feels very genuine in all of it. I respect LC's scum range though.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm I hate fake claim fests tbh
They can be annoying, but I think they're fun with the right group.

Maybe the groups I’ve played them in soured me, but I remain unconvinced they’re actually fun on a forum.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm I doubt Epi and MP are mafia teammates. The former expressed trust, and the latter was peturbed in standard Epignosis form. I don't know what "subjunctive mood" is.

It's my favorite new meme. Fuck you, bean dip.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:03 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm I have no reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con. Their posts about each other are boring.
You ISOing now? I want to see!

I don't want to load up the thread with pre-flip associative Big Posts and have other non-MP civilians take their balls and go home. So far there's barely anything to say beyond the hot takes I'm throwing out anyway.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:03 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm I hate fake claim fests tbh
They can be annoying, but I think they're fun with the right group.
Maybe the groups I’ve played them in soured me, but I remain unconvinced they’re actually fun on a forum.

Arrested Development Mafia.

It was amazing. I wish we could play another game like that. Multiple of us (me and Turnip Head) successfully fake claimed well enough to get the scum to kill us, only for the real cop (Spacedaisy) to then have solved the game 100%. Truly glorious, one of my favorite wins ever still.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:05 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:03 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm I have no reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con. Their posts about each other are boring.
You ISOing now? I want to see!
I don't want to load up the thread with pre-flip associative Big Posts and have other non-MP civilians take their balls and go home. So far there's barely anything to say beyond the hot takes I'm throwing out anyway.

I suppose you're right though.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:08 pm**

I don't feel Epignosis and Michelle as teammates. He farted on her out the gate, and it didn't look like it would serve as needed or useful distancing. One gripe though:

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:56 pm Dizzy felt unnatural for me. I need to Iso and explain again but for me is 11:40 pm, I am phone posting and i would do it in the morning.

I will explain where I am at with the reads for everyone in random order.
If we take everyone until now, Nutella still leans town, you idk honestly, i hope you are villager but I need a day at least to see where your pushes are going (assuming I am alive until next day).
Nanook is pretty calm but hard to read so he is null, LC i liked how he posted leans town, Svs i think it's my best town read, Mac can be villager too.
Epi idk, the vote on me looked bad but would scum Epi vote me in the first post? More likely he wanted to check me than hung me.
Dizzy I think is scum.

A waffle to crinkle one's nose at

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:11 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 pm I’m sheeping nutella onto Epi

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:14 pm Let me rephrase

I'm blindly sheeping nutella's vote and idc what the garbage reason for it is

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 pm I’m sheeping nutella onto Epi
Por que?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 pm I mean, if you're paying attention, Nanook, you'll note that nutella is voting me because of something MacDougall said, and Mac is voting Dyslexicon.

Which means you're "sheeping?" Mac who isn't voting me.

Wild.

Nanook and Epi don't feel teamy

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:12 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:11 pm
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 pm I’m sheeping nutella onto Epi

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:14 pm Let me rephrase

I'm blindly sheeping nutella's vote and idc what the garbage reason for it is

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 pm I’m sheeping nutella onto Epi
Por que?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 pm I mean, if you're paying attention, Nanook, you'll note that nutella is voting me because of something MacDougall said, and Mac is voting Dyslexicon.

Which means you're "sheeping?" Mac who isn't voting me.

Wild.
Nanook and Epi don't feel teamy

I concur, especially Epi's responses.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:14 pm**

Spoiler: show

I think nutella suspected Epignosis organically. It makes sense both in my intuitive read of her posts here and as a progression from her GOC spectating frustrations. Not mafia teammates

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:16 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:14 pm
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Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:09 pm wow mac is really going hard on this theory
When does he not? He did the same thing when we were teammates.

Yet here you are singing his praises while bringing up "Do I need to get that scouting report Jay wrote about you and Sloonei a few weeks ago?" at me.

STRIKE.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 pm I mean, if you're paying attention, Nanook, you'll note that nutella is voting me because of something MacDougall said, and Mac is voting Dyslexicon.

Which means you're "sheeping?" Mac who isn't voting me.

Wild.
You're full of shit. I voted you for a confluence of reasons. I'm not "sheeping" Mac.
A confluence of reasons?

Name them.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:35 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Lay off my scum buddy >: (

[VOTE: Epic nosebleed] aubergine
Did Epi get baited?
Have we forgotten this?

This is where my suspicion of you started. You tagged along on Dizzy's early prod of Michelle too easily.
Shits given:

Zero.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:46 pm Nutella, if you are a civilian, and you think MacDougall made good points, then I don't know what hell to think about you whatsoever.

Good night.

I think nutella suspected Epignosis organically. It makes sense both in my intuitive read of her posts here and as a progression from her GOC spectating frustrations. Not mafia teammates

I agree, there's almost no way in hell they're aligned.

Thanks for doing this, by the way. I perhaps badmouthed pre-associative reads a bit harshly. I still think they should be but a tool among many, but they're definitely more helpful when there's only so many players. In 15+ games it's just chaos.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:17 pm**

I'll almost certainly ISO everyone at some point next phase assuming I'm able to do so; I'm trying not to burn myself out right now. Also I have one less ISO to do if I wait until tomorrow.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:18 pm**

S~V~S dedicated a significant portion of her efforts to voicing suspicion of Epignosis, more than I'd noticed prior to checking now. She is a renowned busser if I recall correctly, so I will steady my dissociative wand. I notice too that Epignosis paired her with Michelle when he voiced suspicions, which leaves room for bullshit given some eventual Michelle civilian flip (or even S~V~S mafia flip). There's room for teammates here. It's a tinfoil option perhaps.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm**

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:21 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm

Wait, why am I not aligned with Epi again?

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:23 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:21 pm Wait, why am I not aligned with Epi again?

The way he responded to your civilian read on him (with suspicion of you) doesn't look the part to me.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:24 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:21 pm Wait, why am I not aligned with Epi again?
The way he responded to your civilian read on him (with suspicion of you) doesn't look the part to me.

Oh, right, I couldn't remember if there was something from my treatment end of things.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:28 pm**

MP is vaguely compatible with Long Con. MP's read on LC was one of his least certain as far as I could tell. He pooh-poohed a Dizzy suspicion as NAI, stood tentative at my earliest digs against LC, and fielded him as a suspect only alongside Mac (and eventually voted Mac). LC's treatment of MP was rather docile.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:29 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:28 pm MP is vaguely compatible with Long Con. MP's read on LC was one of his least certain as far as I could tell. He pooh-poohed a Dizzy suspicion as NAI, stood tentative at my earliest digs against LC, and fielded him as a suspect only alongside Mac (and eventually voted Mac). LC's treatment of MP was rather docile.

I'll readily admit to that; LC is a hard guy to read. I think he likes being that way.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:32 pm**

I don't figure LC and Michelle are mafia teammates, WIFOM aside from him literally telling us they aren't.

His read development on her started pretty erratic, and he needed her specific responses to move the needle -- like she really did need to explain herself to change his mind instead of it being something programmed into a mutually fake exchange.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:34 pm**

The interaction of Long Con and Nanook is a series of softballs. They are compatible.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:36 pm**

The interaction of Long Con and nutella is a series of slightly harder balls. Heh. I could see it if I reach.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:38 pm**

I don't see a good reason to separate LC from S~V~S.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:40 pm**

I don't figure MP and Michelle are mafia teammates. He was ready to burn her at the stake early on, and it doesn't look like bussing.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:44 pm**

If I squeeze really hard I can find a connection for MP and Nanook, given that the former's suspicion of the latter has been pretty soft. Gun to my head naw.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:47 pm**

There's a technical connection for MP and nutella given his unfailing faith in her. I don't think it's "bad", but it exists.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:49 pm**

Me before JJJ came in the game:

Me now:

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:49 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:29 pm M Plus 7 so you want me to prioritize your reads over my own?

S~V~S gives MP the same kind of remark she gives me because she's not his mafia teammate either.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:51 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:49 pm Me before JJJ came in the game:

Me now:

Me before JJJ came in the game: :coffee:

Me now:

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:51 pm**

All right, I laughed.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:53 pm**

The interaction of Nanook and Michelle makes me sleepy.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:54 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:53 pm The interaction of Nanook and Michelle makes me sleepy.

What do you mean by that?

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:55 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:53 pm The interaction of Nanook and Michelle makes me sleepy.
What do you mean by that?

They have a decent amount to say about each other and none of it means much.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:57 pm**

Nanook's "sheep" of nutella doesn't look to me like the stuff of mafia teammates. If he is evil, then that is some iteration of buddying and/or setup for a later scapegoat.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:58 pm**

There's very little to talk about regarding the interaction of Nanook and S~V~S. They could be teammates.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:01 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:16 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.
I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.
Eh? Is a civilian nutella invulnerable to errors?
Yes when is about the player whe knows better my meta in this game.

I don't think this looks like teammate stuff. Michelle condemned nutella on the grounds that she must read her correctly or else. That's a lot of pressure to stick on a mafia chum for little gain.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:03 am**

At the danger of further feeding your ego, Jay, your pre-associative reads exercises are better than most.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:04 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:28 pm I dislike Svs's absence

Michelle was very positive about S~V~S until this little thing, and I think that makes it look authentic. I grant though that it's a unique dynamic given that S~V~S voiced plenty of suspicion of Michelle. I've not known Michelle to be quite so magnanimous. I will call it compatible in tinfoil town.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:05 am**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:03 am At the danger of further feeding your ego, Jay, your pre-associative reads exercises are better than most.

Don't worry. I put on a show for the fans, but I hate myself.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:07 am**

I looked over the S~V~S and nutella interaction and shrugged thirteen times. Not a lot to say.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:11 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:05 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:03 am At the danger of further feeding your ego, Jay, your pre-associative reads exercises are better than most.
Don't worry. I put on a show for the fans, but I hate myself.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:12 am**

The good:

Epignosis, M Plus 7, Michelle, and nutella emerge with three greens. They're the most difficult players for me to tie to others. I'm pleased to be able to write four names here.

The bad:

S~V~S is almost a default compatible teammate with most people in the game, albeit with some tinfoil wrangling.

Long Con fits with pretty much anyone other than Michelle.

Nanook can be liberated from a couple of people, but has an ugly fit with the other most readily-apparent suspect (LC).

The ugly:

I don't have to put anything in this category. I am not a slave to structure. I don't like spaghetti westerns.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:22 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:12 am

The good:

Epignosis, M Plus 7, Michelle, and nutella emerge with three greens. They're the most difficult players for me to tie to others. I'm pleased to be able to write four names here.

The bad:

S~V~S is almost a default compatible teammate with most people in the game, albeit with some tinfoil wrangling.

Long Con fits with pretty much anyone other than Michelle.

Nanook can be liberated from a couple of people, but has an ugly fit with the other most readily-apparent suspect (LC).

The ugly:

I don't have to put anything in this category. I am not a slave to structure. I don't like spaghetti westerns.

Thanks for doing this. Just doing low-level analysis on my end, I find your takes generally agreeable. I'll have to do a lot more work myself.

Also, wouldn't it be funny if Nanook and LC were the scum team? Basically means Nanook was openly wolfing to save his scummate as blatantly as possible.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:24 am**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:22 am Also, wouldn't it be funny if Nanook and LC were the scum team? Basically means Nanook was openly wolfing to save his scummate as blatantly as possible.

In a game of 9 that's the right thing to do. We get two misses before LyLo, and Mac makes one of them.

That doesn't have to be our universe, but the converging evidence points me there at the moment.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:16 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:12 am

The good:

Epignosis, M Plus 7, Michelle, and nutella emerge with three greens. They're the most difficult players for me to tie to others. I'm pleased to be able to write four names here.

The bad:

S~V~S is almost a default compatible teammate with most people in the game, albeit with some tinfoil wrangling.

Long Con fits with pretty much anyone other than Michelle.

Nanook can be liberated from a couple of people, but has an ugly fit with the other most readily-apparent suspect (LC).

The ugly:

I don't have to put anything in this category. I am not a slave to structure. I don't like spaghetti westerns.

You know ive sheeped or offered to sheep like 4 people this game

But it only makes me non-partners with one of those people?

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:18 am**

It just seems weird to me that with Nutella I’m buddying, but with LC I’m open wolfing. Tbh the biggest distinction I can see is that you’re predisposed to SRing LC but you aren’t with Nutella.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:16 am You know ive sheeped or offered to sheep like 4 people this game

But it only makes me non-partners with one of those people?

I only recall two off-hand, nutella and S~V~S. There's more to a read than that. Context and various other interactive nuggets play a role.

You sure spend a lot of time talking about others' Nanook reads and considerably less talking about anything else.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:18 am It just seems weird to me that with Nutella I’m buddying, but with LC I’m open wolfing. Tbh the biggest distinction I can see is that you’re predisposed to SRing LC but you aren’t with Nutella.

I also have no idea why you're drawing a dichotomy between those two people.

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