The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?

I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.

why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait

i believe her on both accounts

i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm Speaking of the devil herself.

Oh no, what have I done?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:04 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?

I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.

jfc alison LOL

PEOPLE ARE NOT MAFIA MASTERMINDS LIKE YOU. IN THE MINDS OF MOST PEOPLE WE DONT EVER THINK OF STUFF LIKE THAT.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:04 pm**

I'll try to catch up more quickly than usual, please feel free to point me to things if you didn't already mention me just in case.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:05 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm Speaking of the devil herself.
Oh no, what have I done?

What haven't you done tbh =p

I just want you to solve the game while I work for an hour. Looking forward to it, no pressure of course =p

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:31 am @M Plus 7
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These are broken! Haha.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?

I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait

i believe her on both accounts

i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)

Becauase if she is scum, she has a lot more incentive to lie about one thing than the other.

I'm not sure what to make of this Michelle-reevaluation thing. I modelled her as shoving my wagon all the way down. It certainly is the towniest thing I've seen her do so far, since I don't actually think scum Michelle has any incentive at all for reorienting, and town Michelle would quite plausibly be genuinely confused here and try to break out of a tunnel. That, to me, convinces me of the case on Michelle much more than the vigor with which she defended herself, or any other such factor.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:05 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm Speaking of the devil herself.
Oh no, what have I done?
What haven't you done tbh =p

I just want you to solve the game while I work for an hour. Looking forward to it, no pressure of course =p

LMAO

Well... uhhh I'll try, hehe.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine
come and evaluate reactions dude!

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Alison time out, i can't see anymore.

maf michelle has no reason to unvote u here ali. u 2 are top wagons. please reconsider

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm**

[VOTE: protocultures] aubergine

Who's up for a wagon on proto? I liked Lavender's case on him and I think the last-minute switch to me when the wagon on me was gaining steam felt opportunistic.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:07 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine
come and evaluate reactions dude!

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Alison time out, i can't see anymore.
maf michelle has no reason to unvote u here ali. u 2 are top wagons. please reconsider

Yeah I agree. Wanna execute proto?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:07 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:58 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:52 pmI spoke about it here, and if you trace that tutuu post back, you can see some Alison/tutuu interactions for a bit off and on there.

Also of all the town reads I've received, I'm a bit concerned about tutuu's for what I said here.

What do you think?
I haven't payed attention enough to see how the Alison read is very different to others, or at least it hasn't stuck with me. Tbh I've just assumed Tutu as town from tone and how she said she wanted to be correct in her reads. And I also liked her interaction and poking at Urist. So all in all more inclined to think she's town. She really comes across pretty much the same as last game imo, and I town read her pretty quickly there. I did mention already that I think she might be a player who's good at replicating tone. BUT I'm feeling simplest solution right now is that she's just town. I can see your point about her read on you though. Actually, I don't really have any real reason to town read you except I felt you were truly excited at the prospect of my being town right then. It was a real time reaction thing and rip all if I'm wrong lol

Thanks for this!

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:07 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm [VOTE: protocultures] aubergine

Who's up for a wagon on proto? I liked Lavender's case on him and I think the last-minute switch to me when the wagon on me was gaining steam felt opportunistic.

Do you mind linking me to the case?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:09 pm**

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:17 am Well i'm out of time for tonight. I'm exhausted

I'm voting Michelle because from what I've heard her, she's a strong town player, was in champs, etc

and i'm not seeing that in her posts in this game /shrug

Is this my best lead? yeah tbh

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

This feels rather transparent. Dizzy, what is your current read of Scirrus?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:10 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:31 am @M Plus 7
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These are broken! Haha.

rip. they were just a bunch of wholesome memes i thought ud enjoy

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?

I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait

i believe her on both accounts

i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)
Becauase if she is scum, she has a lot more incentive to lie about one thing than the other.
(snip)

you are overthinking it way too much (imo)

and you are overestimating how much other ppl put effort in playing scum compared to u. like, u are biased by your own perception of your scum game (imo)

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:10 pm**

Lavender wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:25 am Why is proto scum, Lavender?
this:

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no

Here it is, MP.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:10 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:52 am Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.
Michelle

2

33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison
[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

I'm not sure anyone should clear me for volume alone, although I mean, it should be a consideration.

What do you make of my content? I have plenty of it.

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:11 pm**

Spoiler: show

I love wholesome things! I definitely am always down for that.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:11 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine
come and evaluate reactions dude!

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Alison time out, i can't see anymore.
maf michelle has no reason to unvote u here ali. u 2 are top wagons. please reconsider
Yeah I agree. Wanna execute proto?

[VOTE: protocultures] aubergine
[mention]protocultures[/mention] explain why u last minute swtiched to ali. why dont u trust your heart like i trust mine?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:11 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:10 pm
Lavender wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:25 am Why is proto scum, Lavender?
this:

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no
Here it is, MP.

Thanks, Alison! What do you like about it?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:12 pm**

Fair warning - it is 4 am here. I cannot guarantee I will be up for EoD, or indeed, that I will be up for much longer. As things stand I am inclined to leave my vote on proto before going to bed.

@MP - read on! I gave my response to it and what I liked about it later on.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:12 pm**

I'll ISO proto shortly I think.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:12 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:12 pm Fair warning - it is 4 am here. I cannot guarantee I will be up for EoD, or indeed, that I will be up for much longer. As things stand I am inclined to leave my vote on proto before going to bed.

@MP - read on! I gave my response to it and what I liked about it later on.

Ah, thanks! I try to take advantage of realtime but I do want to finish reading for orientation purposes.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:13 pm**

good night alison. thanks for getting out of the tunnel.

thanks to you as well michelle.

good work everybody. gambatte!

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:13 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:31 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:17 pm I'll say more things eventually.
Im starting to get a PR read from LC now. Intentionally coasting to be unlikely to be voted since we HAVE to leave them in the "sort later" pile.

could also just be scummy.

town LC could just try to hyper town and risk being scumread as a vanilla town.

Okay, this post is strange I suppose. All possibilities?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:14 pm**

Alison, is there anything you want to tell me or interact with me about that you haven't already spoken to before you leave?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:14 pm**

michelle u can also go to sleep if you want. im not letting either you or ali be the yeet today so dont worry.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:15 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:13 pm good night alison. thanks for getting out of the tunnel.

thanks to you as well michelle.

good work everybody. gambatte!

Once upon a time, my main flaw as a town player was tunnelling too much. (And my main flaw as a scum player was bussing too much.) I hope that those flaws no longer exist.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:15 pm**

[mention][/mention]

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:39 am mp7 is so innocent omg

i read her town irl

Aww, this is sweet, thank you! I really like you too, despite the fact that my brain and gut were (are?) at war insofar as the game is concerned, haha.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:16 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:14 pm michelle u can also go to sleep if you want. im not letting either you or ali be the yeet today so dont worry.

I've not even caught up, but I don't think yeeting Alison is a good idea for Day 1. Michelle I'm not yet sure, but... after I tunneled her in Baseball Mafia and died Night 1, as I was watching the game unfold thereafter, I feel like she was self-resolving.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:17 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:15 pm @
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:39 am mp7 is so innocent omg

i read her town irl
Aww, this is sweet, thank you! I really like you too, despite the fact that my brain and gut were (are?) at war insofar as the game is concerned, haha.

if u skim my iso especially my last few posts as i just single handedly dissolved a town vs town tunnel you can come to the conclusion that i am the towniest player to ever single handedly exist in the history of mafia its not even an exaggeration how towny ive been

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:18 pm**

Oh shoot I’ll be *right* back!

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:18 pm**

I'm actually coming around to Michelle being just town. The behavior was not great, but it's not impossible for it to come from playstyle or cultural differences, and I really don't see any reason for scum Michelle to walk off me, whereas town Michelle might doubt herself.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:19 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:18 pm I'm actually coming around to Michelle being just town. The behavior was not great, but it's not impossible for it to come from playstyle or cultural differences, and I really don't see any reason for scum Michelle to walk off me, whereas town Michelle might doubt herself.

Which would make the people that hopped on the wagon a little too eagerly scum, probably - they almost certainly wanted to execute me, and then once I flip town use that to execute Michelle. In a vacuum, people who hopped on without looking like they were too excited about the wagon, or with too little commitment to it (because they don't want to be associated with hard pushing a wagon on town) look the worst. So probably nanook and proto are the scummiest from that.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:20 pm**

Urist... might open wolf and just hard shove a wagon on me. I don't know them well enough to say. But in a vacuum I think nanook and proto are scummier than Urist from that analysis.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:21 pm**

i have 0 idea how to read nanook

@Urist is my tinfoil for deep wolf btw. are u around? do u still think alison is maf?

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:21 pm**

[mention]Urist[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:25 pm**

tutuu
alison
dizzy
michelle
cobbler
mp7
lavender

everyone else

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:27 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm [VOTE: protocultures] aubergine

Who's up for a wagon on proto? I liked Lavender's case on him and I think the last-minute switch to me when the wagon on me was gaining steam felt opportunistic.

hm, now i feel like i'm being pocketed. i came here to say i was going to switch my vote to urist, whom i suspected of pocketing me earlier. i had alison and michelle both town just like tutuu. i initially tr alison for the wall of text on michelle, but the switch right now feels pretty odd to me. maybe we live in a world where alison is bussing proto, that'd be cool. in any case this flip gives good info

i'll talk about jeraldoo (who is town) tomorrow, this is my last post of the day. good luck

tldr let's see the proto flip, i don't trust urist/alison ✌✌

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:28 pm**

lavender if ur town (which u are) and proto is scum honestly u might have been the GOAT of this game or at least in terms of d1 reads. kudos to u

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:28 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:12 pm Has alison been pushing teams?
Not that I remember. She's had rather strong reads and opinions, and also some wifom posts as jokes. TMI on Proto might actually be a thing.

Also, this may be a stupid question, but do you feel compelled to read the game from start, or are you just here because you love me?
Idk what gave you the impression that I’m the kinda guy that reads the game from before the point I subbed in but I can assure you I that am not

I even put it in the poem that I don’t wanna read!
I read the poem. I enjoyed it, but i didn't find it useful game related smh.
All page 1 i read it throughly

On the contrary I think it’s my most useful contribution by far tbh

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:29 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:30 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:15 am Hi guys I haven’t read

Pretty sure LC is town tho that’s my one read
Thanks, Nanook! Sorry for bailing, everyone, but I am going to a cottage with no internet connection from Thursday to Sunday, so I thought it best to step aside.

I gotchu boo

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:32 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:47 pm @Dyslexicon @protocultures

Can't not vote Alison today I think unless they claim.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:33 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:32 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:47 pm @Dyslexicon @protocultures
Can't not vote Alison today I think unless they claim.

why can you not not vote her?

please explain

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:35 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:52 pm @Dizzy @proto alison last game wrote a whole book, went to MU to check dizzy's meta and all that as scum

now she is facing some pressure from ppl voting her for no reason, just cuz they cant read her

and shes purposely refusing to defend herself

can you please notice the difference and use this to identify her alignment?

Alison scumslipped then wrote a book

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:37 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:52 pm @Dizzy @proto alison last game wrote a whole book, went to MU to check dizzy's meta and all that as scum

now she is facing some pressure from ppl voting her for no reason, just cuz they cant read her

and shes purposely refusing to defend herself

can you please notice the difference and use this to identify her alignment?
Alison scumslipped then wrote a book

HOW DID SHE SCUMSLIP

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:37 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:58 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:27 pm Alison if you are town, sorry, but you know why I'm voting you. You will probably townread my vote on you anyway so I can't even read into your response to me.

I'm also not wolf/wolf with Alison because if I rolled maf with Alison, I wouldn't bus her.
I don't, actually, proto. The case on Michelle is something I think makes a lot of sense. What do you have against it?

Michelle not towny but scummier people to vote today

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:37 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:37 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:52 pm @Dizzy @proto alison last game wrote a whole book, went to MU to check dizzy's meta and all that as scum

now she is facing some pressure from ppl voting her for no reason, just cuz they cant read her

and shes purposely refusing to defend herself

can you please notice the difference and use this to identify her alignment?
Alison scumslipped then wrote a book
HOW DID SHE SCUMSLIP

oh u meant last game

well whatever. carotte also scumslipped and she was town

why cant u not not vote alison this game

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:41 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?

I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.

I mean that just is objectively not true, a lot of “LHF” go to champs

Also like

I’ve seen Michelle get miskilled with relative ease before, it seems like a relatively common occurrence AFAIK

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:41 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine
come and evaluate reactions dude!

______
Alison time out, i can't see anymore.
maf michelle has no reason to unvote u here ali. u 2 are top wagons. please reconsider
Yeah I agree. Wanna execute proto?
[VOTE: protocultures] aubergine
@protocultures explain why u last minute swtiched to ali. why dont u trust your heart like i trust mine?

Iso me. Already explained why

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