The Syndicate

Sorry for voting you Day 1, llams.

You'd still be alive if it weren't for me.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I am highly conflicted, but I find myself partly agreeing Elo's logic if not her method. We do need info badly and the only way to get it it seems is to lynch someone. No one will be lynched again today it seems, so I want better confirmation on Llama since this is really all that can be learned at this point.

votes llama

A few posts ago, Llama hinted that he will be lynched today. Granted, I don't know whether I believe him or not, but yeah...

RIP, Llama.

Ugh, I saw that post MR, but he indicated earlier that he couldnt be lynched, so I was really wondering. He also said he was going to a warp zone and then didnt. This definitely clears things up about alliances though. I have a few more in my trust collumn and a few that are big ??

RIP Llama

And thank you MP! For both filling us in on Mongoose and keeping a record of the polls available. It's been really helpful for my rereads, as certain players have voted without posting such in the thread.

On an unrelated note,

BWiT, DP, and Lizzy

There is so much I could say right now... But I won't say it... Instead, I will say llama.
Thank you for staying you until the end. You will be missed

Jigsaw wrote:Actually my opinion is changing...not sure if I think its you anymore Mr. Devin.

Jigsaw... You missed the vote... double

RIP, Llama. I was mistaken, and my votes have served to set back the cause of justice and turth in the world of meat.

RIP Llama, I have no idea what the hell you were thinking, but your candle burned out long before your legend ever will.

dammit

Devin the Omniscient wrote:There is so much I could say right now... But I won't say it... Instead, I will say llama.
Thank you for staying you until the end. You will be missed

This. I enjoyed your posts, even though I didn't agree with most of them. Sorry I was wrong about you.

insertnamehere wrote:There seems to be a weird trend of people saying that they are going to vote for a certain person, and giving no justification, and then other people bandwagon onto that.

Can I get an "AMEN!"? What is this? So many people to discuss, here. In the order in which I read their posts:

'Goose: ok, you were right about llama, and you're reading civ on Dev and Elo. But why did you vote Boomslang? You never mentioned a reason.

A Person: you had NO SUSPICIONS at all? After 5 DAYS?!? And then followed VOMPS' VOTE? Speaking of which...

Vomps: Really???? I guess that's par for the course. But I expected more from...

Epi, I didn't notice a reason or your vote either. I remember you being a champion on accountability. Was your vote a revenge vote for Vomps' vote with no reason, or just yet another vote with no reason?

As I said before, I'm all for info, but I don't know what we're supposed to get from lynches when people vote like this. I just hope llama's death won't be in vain.

Do we have a smiley for getting off a high horse? I'll be stuck up here without one. Hope no one takes my rant too seriously. I don't want to be all self-righteous, and I love some weirdness. I just want brief reasons for why you're acting weird. Maybe that would defeat the point....

I've not played very much with Boomslang, so maybe I am misreading him, but he did seem a bit squirrely. Also,
I do feel good about all three of his voters, so I lent credence to their opinion.

A lot of people thought Llama was acting particularly Hokey-Pokey this game, but I didn't see anything that was outside the usual Llama Gambit, so I was surprised he had so many votes! I don't know if I'm as good at reading Eloh and Dev as I am about Llama, but I sure hope so.

@Russ - What's your opinion on BWT?
@Epi - Same if you want to answer it.

Russtifinko wrote:A Person: you had NO SUSPICIONS at all? After 5 DAYS?!? And then followed VOMPS' VOTE?

I have suspicions, I just am at a loss as far as who to vote for.

Something that worries me quite a bit: Rezzes

Epi came back to life a night after his original death. Since there's nothing in the role descriptions about rezzes (though is it possible that Tim can do this via his "time shifting"? Or is that an evasive power?), I began to wonder if his resurrection had something to do with the Day 0 poll votes. It seemed likely to me that by voting "Meatloaf", Epi was forced to post in song lyrics all day. Something happened to Wrath (for voting Bacon) as well before I took over, but it seems that already passed. And I have an idea that Jigsaw was allowed to search 3 levels for voting "Meat Boy", as he was the only one to vote this option.

So is there a chance there was 1 rezz given for a certain option in that poll? And if so, what are the odds that any baddies may have voted that option and still have some at their disposal. That would make this hill even tougher to climb before they're finally dead & gone.

llama

MovingPictures07 wrote:I still need many more PMs...

Happens every time. Kill me off and the game withers and dies. You would think people would learn...

15!

My opinion on BWT is that there's something odd going on with him.

Seriously though, I've had a heck of a time really getting into this game mentally. I'm thinking it's because I'm on a game on another site that is on Day 3 and rapidly approaching 200 pages worth of posts. And that one has taken a lot of energy out of me. It's slowing down a bit, but it's crazy trying to keep up with it and it's taken a lot of my time and energy. So I apologize to everyone, especially our host! I will absolutely try my best to get my bearings on this game ASAP.

Also, RIP llama (sorry I was wrong about you!) and Mongoose!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Also, RIP llama (sorry I was wrong about you!) and Mongoose!

Crap, am I dead?

Mongoose wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Also, RIP llama (sorry I was wrong about you!) and Mongoose!

Crap, am I dead?

Mongoose wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Also, RIP llama (sorry I was wrong about you!) and Mongoose!

Crap, am I dead?

I miss the 1.0 after your name in the host post.

missed* Apparently I can't type either.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Also, RIP llama (sorry I was wrong about you!) and Mongoose!

Crap, am I dead?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:My opinion on BWT is that there's something odd going on with him.

Seriously though, I've had a heck of a time really getting into this game mentally. I'm thinking it's because I'm on a game on another site that is on Day 3 and rapidly approaching 200 pages worth of posts. And that one has taken a lot of energy out of me. It's slowing down a bit, but it's crazy trying to keep up with it and it's taken a lot of my time and energy. So I apologize to everyone, especially our host! I will absolutely try my best to get my bearings on this game ASAP.

Also, RIP llama (sorry I was wrong about you!) and Mongoose!

Ditto that other game. I picked 5 this time .

Woot! We didn't move on, but we're still in this!!!

Now then, who are our main suspects for today? Boomslang is at the top of my list at the moment for obvious reasons
Hedge, I'm a little wary of you for reasons very similar to those leading me to look at Boomer.
And.... I have a beer in my hand and can't seem to recall whom else I was looking at.... I must be getting lazy... or something

*Votes Llama*

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Woot! We didn't move on, but we're still in this!!!

Now then, who are our main suspects for today? Boomslang is at the top of my list at the moment for obvious reasons
Hedge, I'm a little wary of you for reasons very similar to those leading me to look at Boomer.
And.... I have a beer in my hand and can't seem to recall whom else I was looking at.... I must be getting lazy... or something

I can understand why, and I am not agaínst a boom lynch ATM, but think that probably wasn't all civs voting for him. I need to look at the poll again.

Also seems MR will not be available for votes this evening.

Lots to consider for tomorrow.

Wait, so you're not against a lynch of me, but think the baddies were trying to off me as well? There's only four of them; not sure how much they could afford to do diversion tactics like that if I were one of them.

Should llama's suspicion of Hedgeowl be discussed? I didn't take it seriously at the time because llama always sounds like he's joking around. But maybe I'll do some rereading now-

This may be oversimplifying things, but she was wrong about him - he could have been just as wrong about her.

I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?

Elohcin wrote:I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?

I would say it is highly likely that I am Dr Fetus. Can't you imagine me in a dazzling white coat?

Mata, as I said before, I don't think Hedgeowl is bad. If anyone has any evidence at all against Hedge I'll be glad to see it, and it might change my mind, but so far the case is this:

1) People (including but not limited to llama) said Hedge was bad, without giving reasons (but with giving an awesome nickname, for which we all owe llama).
2) Hedge either did or did not react.
3) Step 2) was taken as evidence that Hedge is bad.
4) Repeat step 1), but now with "evidence" from step 3).

All of this not to say that Hedge is good, just that I'm leery of anyone looking at Hedge for now.

Elohcin wrote:I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?

Either she is hoping that people would think that she'd purposely wait and not suspect her or someone else knows that she would be suspected if they hid right after she joined.

A Person wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?

Either she is hoping that people would think that she'd purposely wait and not suspect her or someone else knows that she would be suspected if they hid right after she joined.

Hmm, yes, I hadn't thought of the second possibility.

Hmm it's true. There are a lot of people flying under the radar this game that usually don't really do that.

Boomslang wrote:Wait, so you're not against a lynch of me, but think the baddies were trying to off me as well? There's only four of them; not sure how much they could afford to do diversion tactics like that if I were one of them.

That's right. We both look suspicious for voting Llama and I am not against the idea that you may be bad. However, I could also see a scenario where baddies joined llama in his baddieslang crusade.

Llama has come for me so often in games we play that after the last time I really thought we had moved past it a but, but once again he came full out against me and even gave me a catchy nickname it felt off to me. So when there wasnt enough support for me, it seemed like he just flipped and was playing the same smear tactic campaign against Boomslang. I am sad to see I was wrong, and think that llama and I really just cant read each other in these games it turns out.

Elohcin wrote:

A Person wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?

Either she is hoping that people would think that she'd purposely wait and not suspect her or someone else knows that she would be suspected if they hid right after she joined.

Hmm, yes, I hadn't thought of the second possibility.

I like your thinking here, Elo. To be honest it seems like too much work to investigate whether other players were inactive around the same time. We do have a number of low posters, including Jigsaw, Vomps, and myself, as well as a few people with high post counts who seem a little under the radar to me (eg BWT, Epi). The frame job idea also seems plausible, though maybe a bit far-fetched because it assumes an extremely clever Dr. Fetus.

For me right now, it's something to file away. If 'Goose is innocent then voting her will be bad, and if she's Dr. Fetus then it won't do any good. I'll keep a close eye on her though.

I'm really glad Elo is trying to find baddies now, and it makes me feel a good deal better about her. But that creates a problem too, because now I'm not sure who to vote for. Any suggestions?

Russtifinko wrote:I just looked at the current players list, and instead of Boomslang I read Baddieslang. I was like "Oh yeah, I could vote for that guy!" These nicknames are powerful things.

thllama knows what he's doing

Hedgeowl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Wait, so you're not against a lynch of me, but think the baddies were trying to off me as well? There's only four of them; not sure how much they could afford to do diversion tactics like that if I were one of them.

That's right. We both look suspicious for voting Llama and I am not against the idea that you may be bad. However, I could also see a scenario where baddies joined llama in his baddieslang crusade.

Llama has come for me so often in games we play that after the last time I really thought we had moved past it a but, but once again he came full out against me and even gave me a catchy nickname it felt off to me. So when there wasnt enough support for me, it seemed like he just flipped and was playing the same smear tactic campaign against Boomslang. I am sad to see I was wrong, and think that llama and I really just cant read each other in these games it turns out.

I can totally understand your case here and am willing to give some leniency here.

Russti: The original case against Hedgie was regarding how she bandwagoned against me with Nevinera and Jigsaw (she was the 3rd to vote for me). Nev was NKed just a couple of nights after this, though. But Jigsaw never stopped voting for me until recently (reasons unknown - he said he had second thoughts about me then missed the poll completely... silence ever since). In short, I was placing her under suspicion with Jigsaw and Nev but then Nev was NKed.
I'm still keeping a close eye on both Hedgie and Jigsaw

Well, I'm going to be traveling throughout the lynch period, so I guess I have to cast the first stone. Which I will throw at Jigsaw. His silence after his previous aggression is very worrisome to me.

Boomslang wrote:Well, I'm going to be traveling throughout the lynch period, so I guess I have to cast the first stone. Which I will throw at Jigsaw. His silence after his previous aggression is very worrisome to me.

I can appreciate this vote very much! But I am still considering a vote for you. However, now I am divided between you and Jigsaw

Hmmm. Ok. I still think it seems a weak case, personally. (Probably because I wasn't around when it happened.) Any idea why people other than Jigsaw stopped looking at you after Nev died? I would think that would lend credibility to the case, unless people think you were being framed.

Linki: Boomslang and Dev, if I knew Jigsaw better, I'd be inclined to agree with you. I don't know his playstyle well though, and the makes me hesitant for now.

Well, llama was right. He dies and the game loses a lot in terms of discussion and wackiness. I'm considering Vomps or Epi for a vote, for now. Neither has been of much help, in my opinion, and we don't have any good leads on baddies yet, so I think it's reasonable to guess that they're lying low. Also, Epi is making me a bit nervous, and last time he did that was last game, and he was evil and murdered us all.

I do know Jigsaw personally, and he definitely has a bigger and better personality than he is showing here. I've never known him to be one to hold back an opinion for fear of what others might think about it. So, his silence in this game definitely makes me nervous. I would like to give him more of a chance to come out in the open and have a discussion with us, but seeing as it is now Day 6 (with the lowest number of deaths I've ever seen on any Day 6), I just can't see that happening.

I will admit that I am deeply considering giving him another chance to come out and talk, and just casting my vote to my number one suspect at the moment.

Gotdamnit!!! I hate being so serious!!! Ggggrrrrrrr!