The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.

…
I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.

I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:07 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.
It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.
It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.
It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.
It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.
If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.
(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

Great case man. Yeah i didn't know who was mafia yesterday, cool.

Scotty is my tunnel now in this catchup. So you're off the hook for now.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.

…
I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.
I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal

It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:11 pm**

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

I'm once again feeling like everyone else is crazy for not tunneling Scotty right now. And this time I can't be proven wrong with a pr claim.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:13 pm**

I leave in an hour for a few days so if you’re gonna vote me or want anything else from me, this is what you’ve got.

If I do end up going over today, first of all…lol

Second of all, of course I’m going to say thunal should go next as legacy, but I also feel like I’m not so bullheaded that I wouldn’t change reads. I’d rather say if I went over to look at who jumped on my wagon and why.

Why am I even making this post if I don’t even have any votes atm? I can see it coming with the people starting to smell something stinky from my direction.

I entreat you to recognize that I just need a bath and not that I’m actually born this way

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.

This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:20 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.

…
I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.
I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal
It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.

ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:22 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:11 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one
I'm once again feeling like everyone else is crazy for not tunneling Scotty right now. And this time I can't be proven wrong with a pr claim.

Weren’t you tunneling LC?
I think your reads have just been…bad this game?

And now I have about 30 min to determine if you are actually believing what you’re saying and I just……..don’t. Based on your track record thus far

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:23 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.
This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.

Is he really? Epi is in my POE and I currently think is paired with Thunal

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:23 pm**

I think nutella is compatible with thunal.

How bout that

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:28 pm**

Good news here is if I survive the day, I’m not dying tonite, so I can have more time to win this for town on d3.
Bad news here is I am becoming an easy vote and if I don’t immediately get voted, I’m going to be a likely end of day wagon where people can cling to as a backup and when I go over my voters can rest on their laurels by going ‘well, he wasn’t acting towny’ and solve nothing.

I think I’m actually doing a great job as town. Even if I’m wrong about thunal- which I fully acknowledge could be the case, since I apparently am the ONLY one that thinks this- I’m clearly ruffling some feathers

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:29 pm**

Anyone else have anything they want to ask me before I ascend into the mountains?

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:31 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.

…
I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.
I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal
It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.
ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose

Nah, it all seems far too convenient man. As wolf you'd be looking for who Lime knew was PR, likely more than town would, and I think you correctly found Dizzy to nk while also finding enough to defend your position that you thought it was thunal. And now that you're being asked about what you thought about Dizzy at the time you are tripping over yourself trying to cover for the inconsistency.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:32 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.
This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.
Is he really? Epi is in my POE and I currently think is paired with Thunal

Okay, why?

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm**

I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:46 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:23 pm I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.

…
I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.
I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal
It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.
ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose
Nah, it all seems far too convenient man. As wolf you'd be looking for who Lime knew was PR, likely more than town would, and I think you correctly found Dizzy to nk while also finding enough to defend your position that you thought it was thunal. And now that you're being asked about what you thought about Dizzy at the time you are tripping over yourself trying to cover for the inconsistency.

Is inconsistency inherently wolfy? I thought you just said inconsistency was a towny look for thunal

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.
This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.
Is he really? Epi is in my POE and I currently think is paired with Thunal
Okay, why?

Because he said so

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:35 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.

I can’t help you see my side as pure. It is what it is.

If you were to ignore my takes on thunal and focus on each of her posts in iso, does nothing jump out at you? What is your opinion on thunal as a whole?

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:36 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm
Is inconsistency inherently wolfy? I thought you just said inconsistency was a towny look for thunal

It's contextual. They are different types of inconsistency. Yours in the perspective on dizzy is a wolfy kind because it looks to me like you are scrambling to try to explain it away.

That said I am starting to see a possible town explanation for your scrambled signals. I just really don't like it

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm**

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:38 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:36 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm
Is inconsistency inherently wolfy? I thought you just said inconsistency was a towny look for thunal
It's contextual. They are different types of inconsistency. Yours in the perspective on dizzy is a wolfy kind because it looks to me like you are scrambling to try to explain it away.

That said I am starting to see a possible town explanation for your scrambled signals. I just really don't like it

You and SVS can bond over how much you don’t like it

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:39 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.
I can’t help you see my side as pure. It is what it is.

If you were to ignore my takes on thunal and focus on each of her posts in iso, does nothing jump out at you? What is your opinion on thunal as a whole?

Like, completely neutral. She could be a wolf.

As Epi was so keen to point out, I'm pretty open to multiple "could"s.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Wack.

I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.
I can’t help you see my side as pure. It is what it is.

If you were to ignore my takes on thunal and focus on each of her posts in iso, does nothing jump out at you? What is your opinion on thunal as a whole?
Like, completely neutral. She could be a wolf.

As Epi was so keen to point out, I'm pretty open to multiple "could"s.

Got a reads list? (I forgot if you do those)

Neutral is a pretty meh take on d2

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot
Wack.

I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

I’m a bit closer to the sun, as it were. He has already said he thinks thunal and I are different alignments. But he’s not committing to a read there. I find that….hedgy and weird.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm**

Syn

Falcon
SVS
Marmot

Thunal
Rico
Scotty
Epi

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:44 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot
Wack.

I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.
I’m a bit closer to the sun, as it were. He has already said he thinks thunal and I are different alignments. But he’s not committing to a read there. I find that….hedgy and weird.

That's the same thing Epi called me out on for doing with him and Dizzy yesterday, and I know that was from a town pov. I also did say that I leaned more toward Epi at the end of the day tbf. But believing in a "difference check" like that is a completely normal town stance from my experience. I tend to have a worldview like that in pretty much every game.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm**

I'm looking at your first several posts on d1 with my new conf bias and you read awkward as hell. Not hard to fuel the tunnel.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:51 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.
It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.
It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.
It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.
It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.
If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.
(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I sussed Nutella early for keeping her options open, but I think she's pretty much cleared herself since then. I believe these could be points of suspicion for town Epi, but it feels like you're just ignoring the things that make Nutella towny and it's not a good look. I haven't played with Nutella in awhile, but her tunneling someone only to have that reaction when he claims comes from the mindset of town Nutella.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:55 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:51 pm it feels like you're just ignoring the things that make Nutella towny and it's not a good look

Yeah, this is a significant problem I have with Epi along with his attitude during my fight with Lime. He's cherry picking. While I'm tunneling Scotty a bit rn, I'm still trying to consider all sides, and have been examining other candidates. Epi has maintained a very unilateral and narrow focus just hopping into the thread now and then without really engaging in any meaningful depth.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:56 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:33 pm @Thunal33 how does w!Thunal play the game of mafia?

Plan stuff, make a lot of posts, and try hard to get townread. I have a good wolf game and the things I can point to here that are really towny for me are the things that look less good to the thread, like getting stuck without a scumread and my random paranoia of Dizzy.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:57 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm I'm looking at your first several posts on d1 with my new conf bias and you read awkward as hell. Not hard to fuel the tunnel.

Have you seen me town? People say I’m awkward as hell on D1 all the time. Hell, I got lynched on D1 (after the game restarted) in the game I just played on Narutoforums because multiple people said the new guy looked stilted and awkward.

So my banter and ‘awkwardness’ as you say is my style, but is that inherently wolfy?
you’re in a tunnel and I understand you’ll see what you’re gonna see.

That is, if you actually believe what you’re saying.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one
K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:01 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm I'm looking at your first several posts on d1 with my new conf bias and you read awkward as hell. Not hard to fuel the tunnel.
Have you seen me town? People say I’m awkward as hell on D1 all the time. Hell, I got lynched on D1 (after the game restarted) in the game I just played on Narutoforums because multiple people said the new guy looked stilted and awkward.

So my banter and ‘awkwardness’ as you say is my style, but is that inherently wolfy?
you’re in a tunnel and I understand you’ll see what you’re gonna see.

That is, if you actually believe what you’re saying.

I'm just saying. Yes it is confirmation bias speaking. Yes it can just be your style.

Last sentence here is very unnecessary and I would have taken this response well if it wasn't there.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:02 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one
K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

A bit on the nose, but yes I think they could easily be partners.

I'm leaning back to wanting to vote Epi a little more.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:05 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 am
Spoiler: show
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.
It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.
It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.
It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.
It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.
If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.
(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I go back and forth on nutella. She has oscillated between moments where I think her tone is genuine in solving and others (like LC claiming) that came off to me as frustrated wolf. But the frustration was real, nonetheless. That could definitely go for either alignment. But it doesn’t prove that she’s town.

I am not going to argue against a Nutella yeet today if that’s where it goes

If you're so tunneled on me, why wouldn't you argue against a Nutella elim? If I'm tunneled on someone to the degree that you appear to be tunneled on me, I want them eliminated and absolutely would argue against an elim on someone who I'm going back and forth on.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:12 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one
K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

lol thunal I was most likely going to vote you today regardless. Me voting as such was in a similar vein of why marmot voted early.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 pm**

Whoa Scotty watch your postcount. I know you said you're going afk for a while but you have 5 left for 29 hours

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:32 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:27 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am #snip
Thunal I have an easier time seeing as town, even if she isn't doing her tell.
What tell? Is this meta on her that you yourself have baked up?

She waves her hands in the air. It's a site to behold!

Spoiler: show
It's a video mafia thing.

I'm waving my hands in the air behind my computer.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:15 pm**

Oh maybe you're literally not going to be on for the rest of the day. Sadge

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:15 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm I'm looking at your first several posts on d1 with my new conf bias and you read awkward as hell. Not hard to fuel the tunnel.
Have you seen me town? People say I’m awkward as hell on D1 all the time. Hell, I got lynched on D1 (after the game restarted) in the game I just played on Narutoforums because multiple people said the new guy looked stilted and awkward.

So my banter and ‘awkwardness’ as you say is my style, but is that inherently wolfy?
you’re in a tunnel and I understand you’ll see what you’re gonna see.

That is, if you actually believe what you’re saying.
I'm just saying. Yes it is confirmation bias speaking. Yes it can just be your style.

Last sentence here is very unnecessary and I would have taken this response well if it wasn't there.

I’m not exactly trying to convince you of my innocence with that; i think it’s rather necessary to me reading you.

You’ve shown some slight AtE stuff this game, which is probably NAI, but gives me hesitance. I can see both a frustrated towny and also an opportunistic tunneling wolf.

Iiiiiiiiii wanna lean the former atm???

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:16 pm**

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:44 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:16 am @Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?
I mean, of course there's a world where that could be true

I... feel it's unlikely. the way you two have gone at it does not feel like theatre, and enough holes are being poked into both your approaches to the game by separate people that there is something amiss. during D1 I interpreted this as an awkward team, but during D2 it has seemed more directly oppositional

could be good acting, I guess. but for now I'm content with the simpler read that one of you has the other one pegged

I could explain why I want to flip thunal first but the logic of it is terrible and will make me look silly, so instead I'll just look at you alluringly and hope it does the trick

Go for it, even if it's terrible and makes you look silly.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:17 pm**

I'm too soft. I don't want to snapvote Scotty anymore.

Holding Epi to the fire for the rest of the day.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:20 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 am
Spoiler: show
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.
It could be Marmot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.
It could be me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmI do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.
It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pmThunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.
It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm
So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.
If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:54 pm And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.
(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

I go back and forth on nutella. She has oscillated between moments where I think her tone is genuine in solving and others (like LC claiming) that came off to me as frustrated wolf. But the frustration was real, nonetheless. That could definitely go for either alignment. But it doesn’t prove that she’s town.

I am not going to argue against a Nutella yeet today if that’s where it goes
If you're so tunneled on me, why wouldn't you argue against a Nutella elim? If I'm tunneled on someone to the degree that you appear to be tunneled on me, I want them eliminated and absolutely would argue against an elim on someone who I'm going back and forth on.

Notice how I am the only one that seems to think you are wolf atm. I’m trying to be productive with my limited time since there aRe two wolves and also feel like I have to defend myself with that limited time.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:15 pm Oh maybe you're literally not going to be on for the rest of the day. Sadge

Correct, as I’ve stated at top of day.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:22 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:25 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:45 am Scotty's recent posts responding to SVS give me pause on him. He says that he doesn't see eye-to-eye with SVS, but on the other hand, his responses are very conciliatory in a way that he's kind of accepting what SVS is saying, which doesn't strike me as a response I would expect from him towards a player that he doesn't see eye-to-eye with. I would expect a little more challenging of viewpoints.

It could just be Scotty attempting to have good faith discussions after SVS accused him of the opposite, but that's not my gut impression.

When people suspect me, it’s like I’ve got ice water thrown at my face at a party and i’m instantly sober. Which means I guess im usually driving drunk with no seatbelt. (Don’t do that, kids)
But when people suspect me, or at least have doubt in me, the game becomes ‘do they actually suspect me or are they just trying to find a patsy’?

So in this case:
-SVS hates hates hates that post. Does she actually? Maybe. If I have a hit in Thunal, then she’s probably gonna want to protect her partner. If I don’t have a hit, and she’s wolf, this is probably an attempt to bury me. If she thinks I don’t have a hit and she’s town, I buy that she could very frustrated with how I’m handling thunal’s slot.
I think it’s the last one, but as she has acknowledged, I’m usually paranoid of SVS.
-Syn is outwardly suspicious of me/thunal, but isn’t taking a strong stance either way, which bothers me. Of all the people currently sharing suspicion of me, this one is the biggest question marks for me. I’m surprised he hasn’t made any strong pushes against either of us yet, and it’s weirding me out.
-You have now ‘paused’ on me, which I guess makes sense. SVS makes a compelling case. I still strongly townread you.
-Thunal hasn’t much thrown my suspicions back at me that gives the impression that she suspects me. In fact, there’s been an air of calmness in dealing with my slot. She’s been defensive of course, but only in defending her own progression and reads. I (think?) she still townreads me? Maybe?

No, I didn't townread you yesterday. I had that "wait, I think Scotty is a wolf" moment when I came in the thread d2 but I treat those feelings with some caution. In a hard gamestate I know I sometimes go "aha!" and pursue it, but then on review my read makes no sense. I wanted to give it some time and observation to see if the read really held.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:17 pm I'm too soft. I don't want to snapvote Scotty anymore.

Holding Epi to the fire for the rest of the day.

So look, I’ve said my peace. And I have 2 posts left. If people still want to vote me while I’m gone I’ve talked a lot and I won’t feel bad if I do go over without me even being around.

If Epi goes over today, and is wolf, I’m looking at Syn and Thunal as partners.
If Epi wolf, falcon is almost never wolf here imo. This goes with both not having read the rules, and I already surmise one mafia is paying attention.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:24 pm**

@Epignosis if you are town, which I am not inclined to believe at the moment: I encourage you to fully read my exchange with Scotty. I encourage you to make any effort to see town POV in my posts, rather than cherrypicking what you dislike and dipping. I encourage you to broaden your scope of engagement with the topics of discussion in the thread. I encourage you to provide thoughts on other players and on more than a surface level. What I've seen from you today is uninspiring and looks like a mafia member finding a single gripe to poke at while ignoring the full tapestry of interactions and not stopping to think about how townies actually think. Use your theory of mind. If you're actually town, show that you care because it certainly doesn't look like you do.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:26 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:22 pm I had that "wait, I think Scotty is a wolf" moment when I came in the thread d2 but I treat those feelings with some caution. In a hard gamestate I know I sometimes go "aha!" and pursue it, but then on review my read makes no sense. I wanted to give it some time and observation to see if the read really held.

Huge mindmeld here that would be impressive if thunal is a wolf.

I don't think scotty/thunal has to have one.

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:26 pm**

Rico once again channeling Casper the ghost, which is just ridiculous.

If I’m wrong with thunal, and Epi is also wrong, Rico’s chances of being wolf SKYROCKETS. I still don’t think the timing is right to vote him yet because us being wrong there does not move the game state

Posted: **Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:28 pm**

Prediction: Epi will simply point and laugh at my quick flip-flop on Scotty and berate me for hedging again.

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