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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?
so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?
so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?

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its a kind of 'they brought it upon themselves lol' kind of thing & I guess dizzy's post to me eod has played a little in my mind so I kinda just want to deal with any paranoia I have fresh out of eodDelta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?
so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?

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It looks quite meh in hindsight. They were hedging on LP quite a bit, though did post a TR of Scotty. Since we know both wagons were on town, it would've been a comfortable EoD for scum and Thunal's EoD does look a bit suspect in that regard. They did say they opposed a potential wagon on pyxxy, so that may be worth looking into.
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It's much more common for wolves to not self-pres, LC in Assassin's Creed being an example off the top of my head. It seems that like LP, Scotty just misplayed howeverDelta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?
so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?
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maybe turbos are rotting my brain a little but i see a lack of self pres as towny more often than not since there's a lack of individual reason to stay alive?leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:14 pmIt's much more common for wolves to not self-pres, LC in Assassin's Creed being an example off the top of my head. It seems that like LP, Scotty just misplayed howeverDelta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?
so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?

scotty mentioned how he felt we gained more from his flip so i'd like to look into what exactly he meant by that yesterday & revisit the LP wagon

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Long Con and Jack did try to make pyxxy happen. Given that LP/Scotty was t/t and thus a comfortable EoD for wolves I am willing to give town points to both for trying to start an alternative, which would have been unnecessary for wolves.
Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it
Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it
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And of course, there's NANOOK and Wilgy who didn't vote at all. NANOOK really needs to show up like he said he would D2, while Wilgy is easily looking suspicious by POE
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If you're town, your goal is to get rid of scum. If you're okay with town being lynched, it shows a lack of conviction to scumhunting. If you're town, you know you're town. Thus, saying you're okay with being lynched, especially over someone who (as town) you wouldn't know is town, is scummy. It's just nonoptimal play besides.Delta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:18 pmmaybe turbos are rotting my brain a little but i see a lack of self pres as towny more often than not since there's a lack of individual reason to stay alive?leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:14 pmIt's much more common for wolves to not self-pres, LC in Assassin's Creed being an example off the top of my head. It seems that like LP, Scotty just misplayed howeverDelta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?
so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?site diff maybe
scotty mentioned how he felt we gained more from his flip so i'd like to look into what exactly he meant by that yesterday & revisit the LP wagon
Though I guess whatever "information" Scotty was talking about should be available from his vigkill. Lynching for "information" is also a terrible idea though I am aware it is a common procedure on many sites
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But again, we probably shouldn't be talking about whether Scotty was scummy, the best thing about the vigkill was that it freed town from having to go over this discussion
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At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't
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Oh, and @pyxxy was on Wilgy (I'm too used to the polls being preserved as a screenshot, hence why I missed it). That does seem by far the strangest of the vanity wagons today, and pyxxy should definitely explain why they avoided the wagons. They were here 38 minutes before EoD, enough to know that it would definitely be a vanity wagonleetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:20 pm Long Con and Jack did try to make pyxxy happen. Given that LP/Scotty was t/t and thus a comfortable EoD for wolves I am willing to give town points to both for trying to start an alternative, which would have been unnecessary for wolves.
Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it
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I definitely did not say that lol
If I have time I'll put stuff together tomorrow (real time) but I am explicitly not promising anything
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Why no vote yesterday?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:48 pmI definitely did not say that lol
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@Roxy popped in at the end and voted for Thunal. Not sure if she read from her previous last post or looked at the poll first. I would wager no. Roxy? Is Thunal your preference for today's vote?
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Roxy could be on to something though. I was looking at Epi's posts and saw this exchange, and it is a little sour-tasting. Thunal gives a (personal opinion:) lame reason to slight-suspect me, but turns into Eggo Waffles under a little scrutiny and cheeses out to vote for someone I was suspecting.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:21 pmPartly. I did have a slight ping that LC made a response about the info in 3 different posts, but I wouldn't call it a solid scumread. Now I like LC's recent posting, like pointing out that pyxxy post and his reasoning for calling LP's post a reaction test.

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Hey, I worked then got wrapped up in YaYa land with Ariya.

Not seeing the pyxxy thing tbf I am feeling OK with them atm.
Hoping Jack begins to play bc so I am disappointed thus far.
Wigly is quiet but hoping he can fund time to play.
I hate mentioning SVS but she is quite quiet. Hoping the tone of her posts feels better.
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Yes this was kinda her play through most of d 1. And not just with her read on you but others as well. Just felt too agreeable.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:18 pm Roxy could be on to something though. I was looking at Epi's posts and saw this exchange, and it is a little sour-tasting. Thunal gives a (personal opinion:) lame reason to slight-suspect me, but turns into Eggo Waffles under a little scrutiny and cheeses out to vote for someone I was suspecting.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:21 pmPartly. I did have a slight ping that LC made a response about the info in 3 different posts, but I wouldn't call it a solid scumread. Now I like LC's recent posting, like pointing out that pyxxy post and his reasoning for calling LP's post a reaction test.
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I have Ariya this weekend I'll keep up And post when I have something to add or point out.
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Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:13 pm Hoping Jack begins to play bc so I am disappointed thus far.
Disappointed with their activity level or their posts?
"Feels better" how? Do you think their posts feel off and if so why?I hate mentioning SVS but she is quite quiet. Hoping the tone of her posts feels better.
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The last sentence suggests that you may have shown up at EoD yesterday, did you and if so did you still feel confident in your Scotty vote? Why didn't you switch to LP if you had the chance?S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pmI feel more connection to a Scotty vote; other than making only one post I found the argument on LP a bit esoteric. They have enough votes without me, so I went with the one I personally feel connected with.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:00 pmWhy Scotty over LP, if you don't mind me askin'?S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:58 pm@leetic Do you mean 297? I didn’t write 197.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pmleetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.Spoiler: show
I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.
I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.
I read other people opinions, and reread him with a different lens.
I’m comfortable with it.
When I first saw Pyxxys post saying I could be expected to fill the role you are, I was like noooo I don’t have the energy. But your level of committment to trying to get people to vote for the person you most suspect definitely reminds me of me when I get a good iron in the fire.
I will try my best to pop in after my interview (from the parking lot) and if it looks like LP may be being saved I’ll sheep your LP vote.
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Day 1
Despite Thunal's noncommittal read on LP they were by far the most static of LP's voters at EoD. That's probably the weirdest thing about Thunal's progression thus far.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:37 pmThis static read makes me paranoid of Leetic. It’s like everything LP does is wolfy and leetic keeps updating the wolfread for different reasons. Ime that’s >rand wolf behavior.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:16 pmThis is basically the wolfiest response imaginable. It's basically an admission of "Yeah, I'm outed, now let me just throw shit at the wall and leave"LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:05 pmAll I can really do for my last post is point out that this is a Mafia.
I just said I don't have time to read through everything or even know what I'm being pushed on. And here you are trying to twist facts and say I have this knowledge.
This combined with all your posts I read early in the day being performative useless fluff. I don't think I have seen someone open wolfing this hard in a while and I hope a Vigilante exists and they can recognize this.
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Don't want to look too deeply at Dyslexicon's EoD as they're now subbed out and their replacement can't exactly answer to what Dizzy was thinking at certain points in the game, but looking back, they were hedging then later townreading Scotty, going after LP with some but not a terrible lot of conviction, and completely ignoring pixxy. It's meh, townier-looking than Thunal and they did try to jump Delta once with Scotty, although I think they were aware at that point that it wasn't much of a viable wagon. Still lean town on them, but only slightly right now.
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Delta's EoD is also pretty meh. Not a whole lot of posts of substance from around that time, most being asking simple questions or just stating the composition of the wagons without much indication of preference to where they would land. Votes LP for an "abandon ship vibe" but didn't really move around their vote beforehand. No real thoughts on Scotty or pixxy were posted then either. It is another oddly static EoD and does feel a bit like they were watching the dynamics of the wagons mostly so they could make a "safe" move
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Well, that's everyone that was super active at EoD and is still alive. Although, there are a couple of things that make me think twice before using EoD as too much of incriminating evidence:
* Wolves didn't need to go after LP or Scotty for them to go down, both weren't very active and neither defended themselves well, so they'd easily fall to town pressure
* All this assumes that wolves were actually there at EoD, when many players were not
Looking at EoD, I'm actually more interested in looking at those who weren't there, like Wilgy, NANOOK, Epi, etc., or those that dipped earlier like pyxxy. I do think Dyslexicon was onto something when they said all of the wolves weren't voting; I wouldn't say all of the wolves weren't active at EoD but it does seem likely that one or two wolves are among the slankers. It was an EoD where wolves didn't need to do anything and most players who were there did something.
* Wolves didn't need to go after LP or Scotty for them to go down, both weren't very active and neither defended themselves well, so they'd easily fall to town pressure
* All this assumes that wolves were actually there at EoD, when many players were not
Looking at EoD, I'm actually more interested in looking at those who weren't there, like Wilgy, NANOOK, Epi, etc., or those that dipped earlier like pyxxy. I do think Dyslexicon was onto something when they said all of the wolves weren't voting; I wouldn't say all of the wolves weren't active at EoD but it does seem likely that one or two wolves are among the slankers. It was an EoD where wolves didn't need to do anything and most players who were there did something.
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Of course I don't like the result, but it wasn't unexpected. With LP dead I expect wolves weren't worried about protection when they made the NK, which would mean they had good reasons for killing him. I suspect Sean's top townreads (Epi, Leetic, Dizzy) are correct and there's probably at least one wolf in his PoE group of (SVS, me, pyxxy, Wilgy, Long Con)
I also did some ISO work last night. I think Epi is pretty towny and him going after me/Dizzy here wasn't close to the big game pushing he did in The Emperor's Soul with Nutella. It's a lot less performative. Mild sus on Jack and Nanook for both having a bit more self consciousness and awareness than I'd expect from either.
I also did some ISO work last night. I think Epi is pretty towny and him going after me/Dizzy here wasn't close to the big game pushing he did in The Emperor's Soul with Nutella. It's a lot less performative. Mild sus on Jack and Nanook for both having a bit more self consciousness and awareness than I'd expect from either.
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But do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Also, @Jackofhearts2005 I had voted LP right before you did and you voiced that one of my posts was yucky, did it bother you at all that I was voting there?
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Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:20 pm Of course I don't like the result, but it wasn't unexpected. With LP dead I expect wolves weren't worried about protection when they made the NK, which would mean they had good reasons for killing him. I suspect Sean's top townreads (Epi, Leetic, Dizzy) are correct and there's probably at least one wolf in his PoE group of (SVS, me, pyxxy, Wilgy, Long Con)
I also did some ISO work last night. I think Epi is pretty towny and him going after me/Dizzy here wasn't close to the big game pushing he did in The Emperor's Soul with Nutella. It's a lot less performative. Mild sus on Jack and Nanook for both having a bit more self consciousness and awareness than I'd expect from either.

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Sure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Do explain.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Excellent. I can go to bed now that I'm done with work.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Didn't you vote for Dyslexicon? Why would you go with their replacement's "solve"?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pmExcellent. I can go to bed now that I'm done with work.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Explaining is boringleetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pmDo explain.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
I'm so glad I could help you get some quality sleepEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pmExcellent. I can go to bed now that I'm done with work.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
What is it about my "a wolf" again?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:32 pmExplaining is boringleetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pmDo explain.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Day 1
That is really just Nanook indicative more than anythingThunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:31 pmWith Nanook it's more projecting what he's going to do with the posts he does have, like talking about making a winning PoE in a few phases and explaining that he posts a lot of fluff. I don't like that he wanted to sr Sean but asked "is it bad" and I'm not totally convinced it's a real read. At the time I was fairly confidently townreading Seanzie and I thought he made himself pretty obvious town.Spoiler: show
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Re: BEANS MAFIA - Night 1
Mmm clever deflectionleetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:33 pmWhat is it about my "a wolf" again?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:32 pmExplaining is boringleetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pmDo explain.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pmSure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pmBut do you like town winning?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pmMmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
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What do you think of Jack joining LC on the pyxxy wagon at EoD?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:27 pmThis is what I mean by awareness. Jack anticipated criticism/questioning multiple times, like saying he voted LP because of his townreads and saying that he agreed with Scotty earlier but now disagrees. A lot of wanting to tell the thread he's catching up too, which is >rand wolf.Spoiler: show
Also, @Jackofhearts2005 I had voted LP right before you did and you voiced that one of my posts was yucky, did it bother you at all that I was voting there?
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