The Syndicate

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Does anyone know where the tally is standing right now? Who has what votes?

I think llama voted Mongoose and so did someone else. Mongoose voted for Vomp, and so did he himself. Did anyone else vote him? I think two people voted for llama. Who were they? And are there other votes not shown in the poll?

It was 2-2-2. llama and john voted Mongoose, eloh and I (and now BWT) voted llama, and vomps and mongoose voted vomps.

So, currently 3 votes on llama, 2 on Mongoose, 2 on vomps, and 1 on SVS.

All that assuming that no one had voted without posting.

Thanks.

I've been so focused on WWE and getting work done that I kinda neglected this game I'll have a quick read back now.

Bullzeye wrote:I've been so focused on WWE and getting work done that I kinda neglected this game I'll have a quick read back now.

The quick doesn't seem that quick to me

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Does anyone know where the tally is standing right now? Who has what votes?

I think llama voted Mongoose and so did someone else. Mongoose voted for Vomp, and so did he himself. Did anyone else vote him? I think two people voted for llama. Who were they? And are there other votes not shown in the poll?

It was 2-2-2. llama and john voted Mongoose, eloh and I (and now BWT) voted llama, and vomps and mongoose voted vomps.

So, currently 3 votes on llama, 2 on Mongoose, 2 on vomps, and 1 on SVS.

All that assuming that no one had voted without posting.

That all sounds about right except I changed to llama to break a tie that occurred earlier but realized I did not say in the thread who I was changing it to.

I went back in another tab I had open on my phone and when I changed my votes it was

Lama voted mongoose

Elochin boo and myself voted lama

Vomp and mongoose voted Vomp

Epignosis and mr voted raskolnikov

I took a picture if someone wants it later

johns2jj wrote:I went back in another tab I had open on my phone and when I changed my votes it was

Lama voted mongoose

Elochin boo and myself voted lama

Vomp and mongoose voted Vomp

Epignosis and mr voted raskolnikov

I took a picture if someone wants it later

MR is dead, isn't he?

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I've been so focused on WWE and getting work done that I kinda neglected this game I'll have a quick read back now.

The quick doesn't seem that quick to me

Time is relative Also I got distracted playing Ruzzle and my sister offered me food, which I had to accept because she's rarely so generous. I'm still not sure exactly who I'll be voting. I don't find Llama all that suspicious, but lots of others seem to so maybe it's me that's wrong there.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I've been so focused on WWE and getting work done that I kinda neglected this game I'll have a quick read back now.

The quick doesn't seem that quick to me

Time is relative Also I got distracted playing Ruzzle and my sister offered me food, which I had to accept because she's rarely so generous. I'm still not sure exactly who I'll be voting. I don't find Llama all that suspicious, but lots of others seem to so maybe it's me that's wrong there.

Well, you can't say no to food
What do you think about Mongoose and SVS?

And I don't find llama that suspicious either.

FZ. wrote:

johns2jj wrote:I went back in another tab I had open on my phone and when I changed my votes it was

Lama voted mongoose

Elochin boo and myself voted lama

Vomp and mongoose voted Vomp

Epignosis and mr voted raskolnikov

I took a picture if someone wants it later

MR is dead, isn't he?

I think that is why it all got reset. If you see my earlier post I asked if the dead can still vote then we where notified about a recite being needed.

johns2jj wrote:Do the dead still get to vote? MR

Epignosis wrote:I tried to correct an issue with the poll. It erased the votes. Please vote again.

If you have already stated a vote in the thread, it will be counted, but please vote again if you can to make my life easier. Thanks.

johns2jj wrote:

johns2jj wrote:Do the dead still get to vote? MR

Epignosis wrote:I tried to correct an issue with the poll. It erased the votes. Please vote again.

If you have already stated a vote in the thread, it will be counted, but please vote again if you can to make my life easier. Thanks.

Right, thanks. What do you think about Mongoose and SVS?

Epignosis wrote:MR voting the last option wasn't the problem. MrThomas was on the poll. I took him off and that reset the votes.

Oops, I missed the part where it says you voted for Raskolnikov, lol

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I've been so focused on WWE and getting work done that I kinda neglected this game I'll have a quick read back now.

The quick doesn't seem that quick to me

Time is relative Also I got distracted playing Ruzzle and my sister offered me food, which I had to accept because she's rarely so generous. I'm still not sure exactly who I'll be voting. I don't find Llama all that suspicious, but lots of others seem to so maybe it's me that's wrong there.

Well, you can't say no to food
What do you think about Mongoose and SVS?

I'm not great at reading SVS, I always find myself wanting to trust her. That said, she didn't seem to give any reason for her MR vote on day 1, which is kinda strange. I also don't get why she thought people were saying Llama was confirmed. I don't think I've seen one person say he's definitely a civ, there were just some people who kinda trusted him. So some of what she has said here definitely feels off to me.

Mongoose on the other hand I can't seem to get a read on either way.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I've been so focused on WWE and getting work done that I kinda neglected this game I'll have a quick read back now.

The quick doesn't seem that quick to me

Time is relative Also I got distracted playing Ruzzle and my sister offered me food, which I had to accept because she's rarely so generous. I'm still not sure exactly who I'll be voting. I don't find Llama all that suspicious, but lots of others seem to so maybe it's me that's wrong there.

Well, you can't say no to food
What do you think about Mongoose and SVS?

I'm not great at reading SVS, I always find myself wanting to trust her. That said, she didn't seem to give any reason for her MR vote on day 1, which is kinda strange. I also don't get why she thought people were saying Llama was confirmed. I don't think I've seen one person say he's definitely a civ, there were just some people who kinda trusted him. So some of what she has said here definitely feels off to me.

Mongoose on the other hand I can't seem to get a read on either way.

Mongoose voted for two dead civs. She also saw there was a tie between her and llama and said she was going to vote for someone else because she didn't want to break the tie thinking they were both civvies. So she voted for Vomp and gave no real reason for it.

FZ. wrote: Mongoose voted for two dead civs. She also saw there was a tie between her and llama and said she was going to vote for someone else because she didn't want to break the tie thinking they were both civvies. So she voted for Vomp and gave no real reason for it.

Well I also voted for both dead civs so I can't really condemn someone else for doing the same. As to the Vomp vote though, that is quite interesting...

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote: Mongoose voted for two dead civs. She also saw there was a tie between her and llama and said she was going to vote for someone else she didn't want to break the tie thinking they were both civvies. So she voted for Vomp and gave no real reason for it.

Well I also voted for both dead civs so I can't really condemn someone else for doing the same. As to the Vomp vote though, that is quite interesting...

I have another reason to be suspicious of Mongoose, which I can't share yet, but it's between her and SVS for me. And as far as I'm concerned, I am 98% sure one of them is a baddie. Question is which one. I might give my answer later on.

Low blow to kill me on my vacation guys. Voting vomps for self-defense.

thellama73 wrote:Low blow to kill me on my vacation guys. Voting vomps for self-defense.

Did you notice that you end up never voting for Mongoose after suspecting her every time?

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Low blow to kill me on my vacation guys. Voting vomps for self-defense.

Did you notice that you end up never voting for Mongoose after suspecting her every time?

I voted mongoose originally but I did not want another tie.

Since I don't think Llama is bad, and there currently doesn't seem to be much point voting for anyone other than him or Vomp, I'm gonna vote Vomp to tie the lynch up. May change my mind later though.

FOR VOOPER VOOPINGTON

I'm literally falling asleep on my laptop, so I'm just going to vote. I was hoping for more votes before I decide, but it looks as though it isn't happening. Don't know what's going on with llama, but I guess I can understand your vote change.
As for Mongoose, I don't get why she voted for Vomp of all people.
SVS, I didn't like her line saying she would vote either llama for his suspicions on Mongoose, Mongoose herself just to call out on llama's bluff, or she'll vote someone else completely. If she's so suspicious of him, why not vote him and prove he's a baddie. So I'm torn.

Since it doesn't look like either will be leaving us, it means I need to choose between llama and Vomp. I'll take Vomp down any day because of what I said in the other game, but I think we'll all be voting for him for really bad reasons.

FZ. wrote:I'm literally falling asleep on my laptop, so I'm just going to vote. I was hoping for more votes before I decide, but it looks as though it isn't happening. Don't know what's going on with llama, but I guess I can understand your vote change.
As for Mongoose, I don't get why she voted for Vomp of all people.
SVS, I didn't like her line saying she would vote either llama for his suspicions on Mongoose, Mongoose herself just to call out on llama's bluff, or she'll vote someone else completely. If she's so suspicious of him, why not vote him and prove he's a baddie. So I'm torn.

Since it doesn't look like either will be leaving us, it means I need to choose between llama and Vomp. I'll take Vomp down any day because of what I said in the other game, but I think we'll all be voting for him for really bad reasons.

Lynch ended like 10 minutes ago.

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm literally falling asleep on my laptop, so I'm just going to vote. I was hoping for more votes before I decide, but it looks as though it isn't happening. Don't know what's going on with llama, but I guess I can understand your vote change.
As for Mongoose, I don't get why she voted for Vomp of all people.
SVS, I didn't like her line saying she would vote either llama for his suspicions on Mongoose, Mongoose herself just to call out on llama's bluff, or she'll vote someone else completely. If she's so suspicious of him, why not vote him and prove he's a baddie. So I'm torn.

Since it doesn't look like either will be leaving us, it means I need to choose between llama and Vomp. I'll take Vomp down any day because of what I said in the other game, but I think we'll all be voting for him for really bad reasons.

Lynch ended like 10 minutes ago.

What????? are you sure?

i thought i had another hour

Damn, I don't want llama to go. Epig, if my vote can still count, I vote Vomp

FZ. wrote:i thought i had another hour

Maybe check your DST settings then? Sounds like they're wrong.

Crap, I changed my time zone. I'm sorry llama I hope my vote can still count. If not, you better be scum

"I told you I'm not supposed to be here!"

That's what I heard this morning in the exercise yard when a gang of four beat the hell out of thellama73. Turns out he was right. Some undercover mission he was on for the state. The guards weren't quick enough to help him.

From undercover to underground. Jesus.

No matter what your circumstances, there's always a glimmer of happiness to be found somewhere. Some people on the outside spend so much of their time trying to find the blinding glow that they miss all the pockets of shine tucked away nearby them. Prison life takes away your hope of any sun-like radiance, and makes you hold dear the little flickers that occasionally come by. Makes you treasure them.

A guy named Simon- good guy, young guy, who asks me for advice a lot- found a bird with a hurt wing near the plate shop. He's nursing the bird back to health. That little bird makes him so happy. There's just one problem- Simon hasn't the slightest idea what to call it.

If you could send me your ideas in private, I'll see what name he thinks is best.

So Llama was indy? Win conditions don't mention the District Attorney needing to be dead, or needing anyone dead himself, so I'm gonna guess neutral?

Hmm...not sure what to say about that. back to the drawing board.

Hmm, is that good or bad for the civs? I wonder if his role allowed him to find something about Mongoose.

I was debating with myself whether to wait some more and see if I can gather more evidence, but I figured I need to say this just in case I somehow die and won't get the chance:

I went over the roles and thought of something interesting. There's this Fat Ass guy, whose role description says that if Hadely votes for him, he dies. So I figured Hadely would be trying to vote for a different person each day until he finds Fat Ass. The only two people, other than llama (who seemed to change his vote from Mongoose for real reasons), who voted for different people every day are Mongoose and SVS who ended up not voting today. So Mongoose has 4 different votes and SVS has 3 with one missing from today. And I kept asking her about her vote, but she never showed up to actually do it.
So we have Mongoose who's reasoning for not voting someone new was to keep the tie (weird) and voting for someone else with no good reason. And we have SVS who didn't vote but said she would vote for either llama, who she voted for, Mongoose, who she didn't yet, just to call llama's bluff (scummy as hell if you ask me), or someone completely different (keeping an option to try yet another player).

Even though Mongoose was the one voting for 4 different people, SVS is the one that looks more like Hadely to me, but I'm still thinking about it.

Edit: Mongoose reason for voting someone new (not "for not voting")

One more thing, even if SVS is more likely Hadely in my opinion, it doesn't clear Mongoose from being a baddie, and maybe llama was on to something.

FZ. wrote:Hmm, is that good or bad for the civs? I wonder if his role allowed him to find something about Mongoose.

I was debating with myself whether to wait some more and see if I can gather more evidence, but I figured I need to say this just in case I somehow die and won't get the chance:

I went over the roles and thought of something interesting. There's this Fat Ass guy, whose role description says that if Hadely votes for him, he dies. So I figured Hadely would be trying to vote for a different person each day until he finds Fat Ass. The only two people, other than llama (who seemed to change his vote from Mongoose for real reasons), who voted for different people every day are Mongoose and SVS who ended up not voting today. So Mongoose has 4 different votes and SVS has 3 with one missing from today. And I kept asking her about her vote, but she never showed up to actually do it.
So we have Mongoose who's reasoning for not voting someone new was to keep the tie (weird) and voting for someone else with no good reason. And we have SVS who didn't vote but said she would vote for either llama, who she voted for, Mongoose, who she didn't yet, just to call llama's bluff (scummy as hell if you ask me), or someone completely different (keeping an option to try yet another player).

Even though Mongoose was the one voting for 4 different people, SVS is the one that looks more like Hadely to me, but I'm still thinking about it.

Interesting point. Consider the alternative though: Hadley may not want to vote for Fat Ass for fear of being caught. Think about it, if Fat Ass dies we'll know who voted for him and if it's only one person we've just netted a baddie.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hmm, is that good or bad for the civs? I wonder if his role allowed him to find something about Mongoose.

I was debating with myself whether to wait some more and see if I can gather more evidence, but I figured I need to say this just in case I somehow die and won't get the chance:

I went over the roles and thought of something interesting. There's this Fat Ass guy, whose role description says that if Hadely votes for him, he dies. So I figured Hadely would be trying to vote for a different person each day until he finds Fat Ass. The only two people, other than llama (who seemed to change his vote from Mongoose for real reasons), who voted for different people every day are Mongoose and SVS who ended up not voting today. So Mongoose has 4 different votes and SVS has 3 with one missing from today. And I kept asking her about her vote, but she never showed up to actually do it.
So we have Mongoose who's reasoning for not voting someone new was to keep the tie (weird) and voting for someone else with no good reason. And we have SVS who didn't vote but said she would vote for either llama, who she voted for, Mongoose, who she didn't yet, just to call llama's bluff (scummy as hell if you ask me), or someone completely different (keeping an option to try yet another player).

Even though Mongoose was the one voting for 4 different people, SVS is the one that looks more like Hadely to me, but I'm still thinking about it.

Interesting point. Consider the alternative though: Hadley may not want to vote for Fat Ass for fear of being caught. Think about it, if Fat Ass dies we'll know who voted for him and if it's only one person we've just netted a baddie.

True, that's why I think SVS left it open to see where there will be more people on the lynch to make it easier to blend in.

Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

Sorry, I was wrong. She voted for MR the last, and didn't vote for MT, but rather for llama who had 3 votes which would make it the same.

thellama73 wrote:idiots.

I would rather have had Vomp dead, but I freaking missed the vote somehow. But since I don't know what you could do and what you had to do to win, I can't even say I'm sorry.

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

It feels a little WIFOM-y, simply because Hadley could take the strategy of not voting different people each time for fear of getting caught, but could also take the strategy of going with the majority every time. It really comes down to whether or not they (and their team) felt it was worth trying to get a single civvie, who is otherwise vanilla.

I wouldn't vote for someone (SVS or Mongoose) on it alone, but it is something I would take into account in looking at lynching them.

Also: as far as I'm concerned, BIH llama. An indie with unspecified win conditions is not a civvie, so as far as I'm concerned, his death is a good thing. I would have preferred him to be the SK ofc, but I never expected him to be a sister (or on shawshank and they RBed the NK N1 to give him cred).

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

It feels a little WIFOM-y, simply because Hadley could take the strategy of not voting different people each time for fear of getting caught, but could also take the strategy of going with the majority every time. It really comes down to whether or not they (and their team) felt it was worth trying to get a single civvie, who is otherwise vanilla.

I wouldn't vote for someone (SVS or Mongoose) on it alone, but it is something I would take into account in looking at lynching them.

Also: as far as I'm concerned, BIH llama. An indie with unspecified win conditions is not a civvie, so as far as I'm concerned, his death is a good thing. I would have preferred him to be the SK ofc, but I never expected him to be a sister (or on shawshank and they RBed the NK N1 to give him cred).

I agree, but that's why SVS seems baddie to me more than Mongoose, because saying something like she might vote for Mongoose just to call llama's bluff seems ridiculous. If you think he's bluffing, vote for him, not for her. Wouldn't that prove it better? That is so the opposite of pro civ.
And with that, good night

FZ. wrote:

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

It feels a little WIFOM-y, simply because Hadley could take the strategy of not voting different people each time for fear of getting caught, but could also take the strategy of going with the majority every time. It really comes down to whether or not they (and their team) felt it was worth trying to get a single civvie, who is otherwise vanilla.

I wouldn't vote for someone (SVS or Mongoose) on it alone, but it is something I would take into account in looking at lynching them.

Also: as far as I'm concerned, BIH llama. An indie with unspecified win conditions is not a civvie, so as far as I'm concerned, his death is a good thing. I would have preferred him to be the SK ofc, but I never expected him to be a sister (or on shawshank and they RBed the NK N1 to give him cred).

I agree, but that's why SVS seems baddie to me more than Mongoose, because saying something like she might vote for Mongoose just to call llama's bluff seems ridiculous. If you think he's bluffing, vote for him, not for her. Wouldn't that prove it better? That is so the opposite of pro civ.
And with that, good night

Ya, I see where you're coming from.

I did a brief read of SVS to see if anything stuck out. She does seem to have a lack of really discussing anyone other than who she has voted for and the more discussed people (ie llama), but that's something I have a feeling that can be said for most people in this game simply because of how things have gone.

The one thing that I am considering, is this post of hers from N2 (discussion about voting for people in what we thought was a poll to remove a player from the following days lynch but turned out not to be):

S~V~S wrote:Well, the poll implies someone will get a reward. I would prefer it be a civ. Now I do not have any info, but after seeing what Elo said, I went back and took a good look at BWT. I think I read him pretty well. I think he could be a civ. So I would prefer to reward him rather than someone else. Saying who you feel good about and could potentially trust is as much a part of mafia as saying who you suspect.

And for all the baddies know, with 2 mafias, me, Elo, & BWT could be bad teammates making a particularly ballsy move. I have been known to do so

So saying I trust a particular person in a poll structured this way will not put a target on them anymore than Llama is having a target painted with the votes he has.

It doesn't make me think she's bad any more than the possibility of it I could already see (basically just the same probability of anyone being able to be bad), but it does make me think that if she's bad than either: 1) She, BWT, and Eloh are teammates, and are really relying on a 'none of us will get lynched strategy (and if anyone does, we WIFOM our way out of the ensuing shitstorm)'. OR 2) She wanted (and has continued the strategy since she has continued to show trust for Eloh and BWT) to set at least one of them up in case she gets lynched.

It really doesn't help much, since in either case it results in WIFOM, which takes us back to square one, but I still think if we're going to be discussing SVS for tomorrow's lynch, then this should also be part of the discussion.

My one thought on her being bad: I usually have some opinion of her in a game, with that usually being some reason to trust her, by this point in the game. I really don't have that this game. That being said, if I'm going to vote for someone because of that, I'll be voting rey (I believe I've mentioned this before. He is usually quite active, but he's been just shy of absent this game, and that makes me lean baddie, or maybe LMSing) before I vote SVS.

Oh crap, I am so sorry epi

I thought this ended later

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

Whats bad about that?

I don't like being first, and i don;t like being last, and I am at work during the most active hours in this thread, the polls end when i am in work or commuting home.

this is an exceedingly tenuous stretch

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

Whats bad about that?

I don't like being first, and i don;t like being last, and I am at work during the most active hours in this thread, the polls end when i am in work or commuting home.

this is an exceedingly tenuous stretch

Why are you ignoring all that preceded this thought. It's not about the order of your vote, it's about the fact that the way you voted fits someone who would want to search for Fat Ass, but without taking any unnecessary risks.

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

It feels a little WIFOM-y, simply because Hadley could take the strategy of not voting different people each time for fear of getting caught, but could also take the strategy of going with the majority every time. It really comes down to whether or not they (and their team) felt it was worth trying to get a single civvie, who is otherwise vanilla.

I wouldn't vote for someone (SVS or Mongoose) on it alone, but it is something I would take into account in looking at lynching them.

Also: as far as I'm concerned, BIH llama. An indie with unspecified win conditions is not a civvie, so as far as I'm concerned, his death is a good thing. I would have preferred him to be the SK ofc, but I never expected him to be a sister (or on shawshank and they RBed the NK N1 to give him cred).

I agree, but that's why SVS seems baddie to me more than Mongoose, because saying something like she might vote for Mongoose just to call llama's bluff seems ridiculous. If you think he's bluffing, vote for him, not for her. Wouldn't that prove it better? That is so the opposite of pro civ.
And with that, good night

Ya, I see where you're coming from.

I did a brief read of SVS to see if anything stuck out. She does seem to have a lack of really discussing anyone other than who she has voted for and the more discussed people (ie llama), but that's something I have a feeling that can be said for most people in this game simply because of how things have gone.

The one thing that I am considering, is this post of hers from N2 (discussion about voting for people in what we thought was a poll to remove a player from the following days lynch but turned out not to be):

S~V~S wrote:Well, the poll implies someone will get a reward. I would prefer it be a civ. Now I do not have any info, but after seeing what Elo said, I went back and took a good look at BWT. I think I read him pretty well. I think he could be a civ. So I would prefer to reward him rather than someone else. Saying who you feel good about and could potentially trust is as much a part of mafia as saying who you suspect.

And for all the baddies know, with 2 mafias, me, Elo, & BWT could be bad teammates making a particularly ballsy move. I have been known to do so

So saying I trust a particular person in a poll structured this way will not put a target on them anymore than Llama is having a target painted with the votes he has.

It doesn't make me think she's bad any more than the possibility of it I could already see (basically just the same probability of anyone being able to be bad), but it does make me think that if she's bad than either: 1) She, BWT, and Eloh are teammates, and are really relying on a 'none of us will get lynched strategy (and if anyone does, we WIFOM our way out of the ensuing shitstorm)'. OR 2) She wanted (and has continued the strategy since she has continued to show trust for Eloh and BWT) to set at least one of them up in case she gets lynched.

It really doesn't help much, since in either case it results in WIFOM, which takes us back to square one, but I still think if we're going to be discussing SVS for tomorrow's lynch, then this should also be part of the discussion.

My one thought on her being bad: I usually have some opinion of her in a game, with that usually being some reason to trust her, by this point in the game. I really don't have that this game. That being said, if I'm going to vote for someone because of that, I'll be voting rey (I believe I've mentioned this before. He is usually quite active, but he's been just shy of absent this game, and that makes me lean baddie, or maybe LMSing) before I vote SVS.

First of all, what's WIFOM and LMSing?

What bothered me about the post you quoted from her was the fact that she jumped on the BWT trust wagon after Elo voted for him as her most likely civ. I already questioned her about it, so I don't want to go into it again, but the way it happened made me suspect her as well.

I will read the rest of this post later, I am busy sitting in my cell reading a good book, always a profitable thing. Plus I have to go walk the dog.

As I said before, Elohs post reminded me of something, so I went back and looked, and found something to make me think BWT was not bad. Although he thanked me by saying what a suspicious character I was, I am at peace with that vote and stand by it. I have no BTS with Eloh which seems to be your thought.