The Syndicate

sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

Something is happening here...

But I will elaborate.

There are several factions to the game.

House Atreides - I believe these to be the civilians, so the only kill they get as a faction is through lynches.

Team Harkonnen - They killed Night 1. They killed Night 2. Obv this is Mafia.

The Fremen - It looks to be another group, and there has already been discussion in this very thread about the possibility of multiple mafia groups

Team Emperor = See what I said about the Fremen

The Smuggler - Looks like an indy

It was interesting to me that on Night 1 and 2, only team Harkonnen killed. So that means, either they will be the only ones killing the rest of the game, or each of the other factions may have a kill or two whenever they want to use it (ie "as of yet" in my previous statement)

Honestly here, I was stating what was the obvious, just to get it out there, and suddenly Golden, Mac (who to my knowledge also voted SIG right away, wtf) and Eloh are all up in arms about it!

@Matt - I will now elaborate. Did you read your win condition?

Elohcin wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I've seen this said a few times now. Why do you not put out your reads during the night?

If you are town and the scum kill you we have your thoughts. The scum killing a town version of you seems unlikely to me since you have a bit of suspicion on you.

I don't get it?

If the baddies kill me, I'm blaming you Mac

This is what I had written to share.....

I know you guys think I am crazy for my initial thoughts on Zebra's "overreaction". I had dropped the whole thing b/c she said she was joking and all. (i.e. my "you should have used sarcastic orange" comment.) I know some of you still harped on it, but for no good reason as I didn't suspect her any longer and did not vote for her (as I said). BUT!!!! Look at her vote in the poll. 5th overall, right after MM got two votes. I think she could be bad and felt like she needed to get eyes looking at another lynch possibility. I also think TH and FZ are possible baddies. I am not sure about Sig. If Zebra is bad, then I bet sig is civ and vise-versa. Also, I think Bea may be bad as well but that's just a hunch.

First of all, I can't look away from your avatar. Did you make that too? It's killing me

Now to the content itself, what does the first part have to do with Zebra 2?
Second, I have considered zebra working with MM, because as a baddie, I've always went for leading a lynch and not bandwagoning on one. You always look better. So it's an option. The thing is, she felt genuine to me. I guess I'll have to reread her.

Forgive me. It took me a minute to remember that this is Zebra 2. I've been battling a mighty cold, perhaps the flu, and I am struggling physically and mentally because of it. I am FINALLY on the mend as of today, I believe. It's been plaguing me for over a week now. That said, my suspicion of Zebra 2 is all the same. I cannot remember, who did Zebra 2 replace? I want to reread whoever it was. I will look back if I get no immediate answer form someone already in the thread at the moment, but if I don't have to look, I won't.

Reading on...

See this just re-affirms my conclusions of my previous post. I'm fine with civs who have maddeningly over-confident reads (I'm one of them), and I'm fine with civs who gloss over a lot of information for whatever RL reason. But you should not be so confident to try and get someone lynched when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. That is not civ-like behavior.

Matt F wrote:

sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?

What do you think of FZ and Turnip? Have you already said?

How about this, do you think Elohcin knew that Niju would be taken off the poll today? Elohcin was taken off the poll the day before right?



I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

I approve of this observation.

Oh wow three minutes after Matt F's post speculating a connection between ni and Eloh with no posts in between we have this!

Elohcin wrote:Poor Sig. Sorry this is happening to you bud.

linki....Niju is off the poll today? Who else has been off the poll so far? I am interested in who has this role and the redirection role. Suspicious things are among us and I don't like it.

Lynch lynch lynch

Matt F wrote:

Something is happening here...

But I will elaborate.

There are several factions to the game.

House Atreides - I believe these to be the civilians, so the only kill they get as a faction is through lynches.

Team Harkonnen - They killed Night 1. They killed Night 2. Obv this is Mafia.

The Fremen - It looks to be another group, and there has already been discussion in this very thread about the possibility of multiple mafia groups

Team Emperor = See what I said about the Fremen

The Smuggler - Looks like an indy

It was interesting to me that on Night 1 and 2, only team Harkonnen killed. So that means, either they will be the only ones killing the rest of the game, or each of the other factions may have a kill or two whenever they want to use it (ie "as of yet" in my previous statement)

Honestly here, I was stating what was the obvious, just to get it out there, and suddenly Golden, Mac (who to my knowledge also voted SIG right away, wtf) and Eloh are all up in arms about it!

Eloh hasn't even commented on it? And what does me voting Sig have anything to do with this? You sound panicked as hell.

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

poll was reset and he was one of the three to "vote" for me, it was a joke.

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

poll was reset and he was one of the three to "vote" for me, it was a joke.

Lol sorry but if he did that I'd have been angry.

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt F wrote:

sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?

What do you think of FZ and Turnip? Have you already said?

How about this, do you think Elohcin knew that Niju would be taken off the poll today? Elohcin was taken off the poll the day before right?



I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

I approve of this observation.

Really?

Golden wrote:@Matt - I will now elaborate. Did you read your win condition?

Yes, I have. Also, is there some of your post missing, because I thought you said you were going to elaborate?

Linki

Linki - I am panicked. Suddenly you, Golden, and Eloh are all up in arms for me stating the obvious. I don't like whatever is going on and I don't understand the suspicion, frankly.

Linki

I don't see the big deal with Matt's bolded comment. That seems speculative to me. I was referring to the connection between Eloh and Ni.

Matt F wrote:

Golden wrote:@Matt - I will now elaborate. Did you read your win condition?

Yes, I have. Also, is there some of your post missing, because I thought you said you were going to elaborate?

Linki

Linki - I am panicked. Suddenly you, Golden, and Eloh are all up in arms for me stating the obvious. I don't like whatever is going on and I don't understand the suspicion, frankly.

Linki

Why do you keep saying Eloh is up in arms about it? Where has she commented on your post that Golden and I are referring to?

a2thezebra wrote:I don't see the big deal with Matt's bolded comment. That seems speculative to me. I was referring to the connection between Eloh and Ni.

So you don't see what Golden and I both see?

Does nobody else?

I see it, and I don't think it's a scumslip.

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Golden wrote:@Matt - I will now elaborate. Did you read your win condition?

Yes, I have. Also, is there some of your post missing, because I thought you said you were going to elaborate?

Linki

Linki - I am panicked. Suddenly you, Golden, and Eloh are all up in arms for me stating the obvious. I don't like whatever is going on and I don't understand the suspicion, frankly.

Linki

Why do you keep saying Eloh is up in arms about it? Where has she commented on your post that Golden and I are referring to?

Ummm

Wow, I thought she quoted you and said "Indeed" but it's not in her ISO. Did someone else quote you and say "Indeed" when you gave me the suspish emote? Lemme check

a2thezebra wrote:I see it, and I don't think it's a scumslip.

You should be less quick to dismiss things Zebra. I posted an emoticon and he totally flipped out. I don't think the post in and of itself is inexplicable but his reaction deserves pause.

I don't think it is a scumslip either, and I've never said I do.

It could be an independentslip, though.

My bad. That was Golden with the indeed.

I thought three different players were coming after me for saying what I thought was obvious to everyone.

Yes, I get panicky when I'm suspected. I get panicky and suspicious as hell when I'm suspected for something like this. I STILL don't understand where you think I slipped?

Matt makes some pretty wild assumptions about the game. His constant Day 0 speculation for example. It's a bit bizarre to me, but it's not out-of-character for him to assume that another faction will start killing. It might be a scumslip but I'm not nearly as dead set on it as you and Golden, Mac.

linki - I'm not dismissing it, and you are right that his reaction is a bit paranoid, but if he's honestly baffled as to what exactly he's being accused of, then it would make sense. I'd like to hear more from him first before biting down on a conclusion to this.

Matt F wrote:My bad. That was Golden with the indeed.

I thought three different players were coming after me for saying what I thought was obvious to everyone.

Yes, I get panicky when I'm suspected. I get panicky and suspicious as hell when I'm suspected for something like this. I STILL don't understand where you think I slipped?

The fact that you still don't after Golden and I have continued to elaborate just makes it more obvious unfortunately Matt.

a2thezebra wrote:Matt makes some pretty wild assumptions about the game. His constant Day 0 speculation for example. It's a bit bizarre to me, but it's not out-of-character for him to assume that another faction will start killing. It might be a scumslip but I'm not nearly as dead set on it as you and Golden, Mac.

linki - I'm not dismissing it, and you are right that his reaction is a bit paranoid, but if he's honestly baffled as to what exactly he's being accused of, then it would make sense. I'd like to hear more from him first before biting down on a conclusion to this.

As would I. I'm not saying let's lynch him right now. I'm playing this out. He's currently bleeding tells.

Golden wrote:I don't think it is a scumslip either, and I've never said I do.

It could be an independentslip, though.

Let me ask you Mac.

Without me saying a word about it...

What were your feelings on the Fremen, the Emperor, and The Smuggler? Did you think that, just perhaps, they might also have kills available to them?

No, I don't see it. Explain it please.

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:My bad. That was Golden with the indeed.

I thought three different players were coming after me for saying what I thought was obvious to everyone.

Yes, I get panicky when I'm suspected. I get panicky and suspicious as hell when I'm suspected for something like this. I STILL don't understand where you think I slipped?

The fact that you still don't after Golden and I have continued to elaborate just makes it more obvious unfortunately Matt.

That's just it though, I feel like if he had actually been caught he wouldn't STILL be faking not knowing what we're talking about.

Golden - Is it just so outrageous to believe the indy may have a kill or two under their belt? Did you not speculate that they may, as well?

Seriously wtf is going on here?

Linki Zebra - I guess I'm just that dumb. Someone please clue me in.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:My bad. That was Golden with the indeed.

I thought three different players were coming after me for saying what I thought was obvious to everyone.

Yes, I get panicky when I'm suspected. I get panicky and suspicious as hell when I'm suspected for something like this. I STILL don't understand where you think I slipped?

The fact that you still don't after Golden and I have continued to elaborate just makes it more obvious unfortunately Matt.

That's just it though, I feel like if he had actually been caught he wouldn't STILL be faking not knowing what we're talking about.

Golden what do you make of this post by Zebra?

Matt F wrote:Let me ask you Mac.

Without me saying a word about it...

What were your feelings on the Fremen, the Emperor, and The Smuggler? Did you think that, just perhaps, they might also have kills available to them?

No, I don't see it. Explain it please.

Lol, no it genuinely never crossed my mind. The enemy is clear to me.

Matt F wrote:

Something is happening here...

But I will elaborate.

There are several factions to the game.

House Atreides - I believe these to be the civilians, so the only kill they get as a faction is through lynches.

Team Harkonnen - They killed Night 1. They killed Night 2. Obv this is Mafia.

The Fremen - It looks to be another group, and there has already been discussion in this very thread about the possibility of multiple mafia groups

Team Emperor = See what I said about the Fremen

The Smuggler - Looks like an indy

So, if your observations are correct, we should focus on eradicating Harkonnen first and then possibly the Freemen, the Emperor team and the Smuggler?

Linki- Perhaps Matt's assumptions are wild, but I don't see them as incorrect.

Matt just so you know it's in the interests of further exploring your potential non civ alignment to not actually clue you into what you said wrong.

Linki: Floyd have you read your win con?

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:

sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?

I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

Okay, went back to your original suspish post.

Yes, I stated the obvious. The other factions are not killing (as of yet). How on earth do you see that as a slip?

I think that because you assumed that another faction will start killing when it hadn't crossed Mac's mind, (which I actually find hard to believe) you may have revealed that you are a part of whatever faction that may be. I think it's a stretch, otherwise I wouldn't tell you.

It doesn't help of course that I have a civ read on you and I liked your observation about Eloh and ni from earlier today, while I have scum reads on both Mac and Golden.

a2thezebra wrote:I think that because you assumed that another faction will start killing when it hadn't crossed Mac's mind, (which I actually find hard to believe) you may have revealed that you are a part of whatever faction that may be. I think it's a stretch, otherwise I wouldn't tell you.

Thanks.

So then in that case, Mac believes I am part of the Fremen, Emperor teams or the Smuggler. Fantastic. Golden seems to think I'm the Smuggler too based on "indy slip".

I stated the obvious, and yes, I also find it hard to believe that both Mac and Golden hadn't previously thought those things could be possible. For real?

MacDougall wrote:Floyd have you read your win con?

Of course I have. I won't be completely open about it, but it's based around lynching members of Harkonnen.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Floyd have you read your win con?

Of course I have. I won't be completely open about it, but it's based around lynching members of Harkonnen.

Lol

Sorsha - Why do you suppose Harkonnen spared you?

Matt F wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I think that because you assumed that another faction will start killing when it hadn't crossed Mac's mind, (which I actually find hard to believe) you may have revealed that you are a part of whatever faction that may be. I think it's a stretch, otherwise I wouldn't tell you.

Thanks.

So then in that case, Mac believes I am part of the Fremen, Emperor teams or the Smuggler. Fantastic. Golden seems to think I'm the Smuggler too based on "indy slip".

I stated the obvious, and yes, I also find it hard to believe that both Mac and Golden hadn't previously thought those things could be possible. For real?

Any of those three could be independent. But I think it most likely that the intent behind your statement was to make your own faction appear more town-aligned and less of a threat (whether or not this is actually true or not. With you, I believe you would do it if town-aligned, I just don't know if you would also lie about it).

It doesn't help that your question to SVS yesterday kind of reeked of 'SVS, I tried to kill you. Why didn't you die?'

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Poor Sig. Sorry this is happening to you bud.

linki....Niju is off the poll today? Who else has been off the poll so far? I am interested in who has this role and the redirection role. Suspicious things are among us and I don't like it.

Who is your top lynch suspect today Eloh? Zebra?

Yes.

a2thezebra wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I've seen this said a few times now. Why do you not put out your reads during the night?

If you are town and the scum kill you we have your thoughts. The scum killing a town version of you seems unlikely to me since you have a bit of suspicion on you.

I don't get it?

If the baddies kill me, I'm blaming you Mac

This is what I had written to share.....

I know you guys think I am crazy for my initial thoughts on Zebra's "overreaction". I had dropped the whole thing b/c she said she was joking and all. (i.e. my "you should have used sarcastic orange" comment.) I know some of you still harped on it, but for no good reason as I didn't suspect her any longer and did not vote for her (as I said). BUT!!!! Look at her vote in the poll. 5th overall, right after MM got two votes. I think she could be bad and felt like she needed to get eyes looking at another lynch possibility. I also think TH and FZ are possible baddies. I am not sure about Sig. If Zebra is bad, then I bet sig is civ and vise-versa. Also, I think Bea may be bad as well but that's just a hunch.

You're bad. There's civ tunneling and then there's baddie tunneling. This is the latter. Civs who tunnel at least look at other candidates and consider the different possibilities of what's going on. This is just ridiculous.

Um...I have looked at other candidates. And I underlined it above. Also, you are zebra 2, so going after you is not the same as going after zebra 1. Therefore, I have been looking at you for about, oh, a few hours, that is all. I have suspected at least 5 others along with you, Zebra 1, Niju, TH, FZ, and Bea. I am not tunneling.

Also, regarding your other post, I know what I am doing. I suspected Zebra 1 and retracted. Now I am suspecting Zebra 2.

sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

I see Elohcin know on the poll I'll review her but as I said I'm reading Blooper as much more scummy. Blooper isn't available to lynch today though, and I've yet to do my ISO on Elohcin.

Know I'm interested in who did this to me, I'm thinking if not the mafia then the Empire, notice this all happened when I mentioned two mafia teams? Might be acting alittle paranoid but it is worth discussing imo.

I am interested as well. Stupid redirection role.

Who do you think would have done this?

Golden - Straight up, did you think that the other factions may have kills at their disposal? And if so, then why are you accusing me of not being town aligned if you also had those thoughts? That is wack, c'mon now.

Golden wrote:It doesn't help that your question to SVS yesterday kind of reeked of 'SVS, I tried to kill you. Why didn't you die?'

I assume if someone tried to kill SVS, the Night Post would've shown a kill not happening.

I mean, really Golden, you're better then this.

Is no one else as intrigued as I am on all these Sig votes. Did I miss an explanation? Were you forced? Can you tell me if you were? Why you specifically? Why Sig specifically? I think we need to be talking about this.

I don't know, straight up, whether they have kills or not.

What I do know is, I expected that Harkonnen would have the kill both nights, but it seemed to be less of a sure thing to you. That suggests to me that you have a different win condition to me. Not necessarily an anti-town one, just a different one.

@Eloh - feel free to talk about it. What do you think is the most likely explanation?

And regarding SVS, you really think I would say that to her had I tried to kill her? C'mon dude, really?

Elohcin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I've seen this said a few times now. Why do you not put out your reads during the night?

If you are town and the scum kill you we have your thoughts. The scum killing a town version of you seems unlikely to me since you have a bit of suspicion on you.

I don't get it?

If the baddies kill me, I'm blaming you Mac

This is what I had written to share.....

I know you guys think I am crazy for my initial thoughts on Zebra's "overreaction". I had dropped the whole thing b/c she said she was joking and all. (i.e. my "you should have used sarcastic orange" comment.) I know some of you still harped on it, but for no good reason as I didn't suspect her any longer and did not vote for her (as I said). BUT!!!! Look at her vote in the poll. 5th overall, right after MM got two votes. I think she could be bad and felt like she needed to get eyes looking at another lynch possibility. I also think TH and FZ are possible baddies. I am not sure about Sig. If Zebra is bad, then I bet sig is civ and vise-versa. Also, I think Bea may be bad as well but that's just a hunch.

You're bad. There's civ tunneling and then there's baddie tunneling. This is the latter. Civs who tunnel at least look at other candidates and consider the different possibilities of what's going on. This is just ridiculous.

Um...I have looked at other candidates. And I underlined it above. Also, you are zebra 2, so going after you is not the same as going after zebra 1. Therefore, I have been looking at you for about, oh, a few hours, that is all. I have suspected at least 5 others along with you, Zebra 1, Niju, TH, FZ, and Bea. I am not tunneling.

Also, regarding your other post, I know what I am doing. I suspected Zebra 1 and retracted. Now I am suspecting Zebra 2.

This is a weak defense at best. You say that going after Zebra 2 isn't the same as going after Zebra 1, but in the post I responded to here, you didn't even know that I was Zebra 2 at that point. And you didn't care. Just because you claim to suspect other candidates doesn't mean you're not tunneling. Tunneling is when you only focus on one. And yes, before someone chimes in, I do it all the time. But like I said, there is a difference between civ and baddie tunneling. Could I at least get some reasons for your imaginary suspicion of "Zebra 2", since, as you said yourself, it's not the same as Zebra 1, even though you thought it was and now that you know better you have still yet to provide any reason to suspect me, let alone lynch me? And you seem quite interested in the sig votes, which were obviously forced. Are you not interested in niju not being on the poll today, while you are?

Matt F wrote:And regarding SVS, you really think I would say that to her had I tried to kill her? C'mon dude, really?

Like you say, there was no evidence there was any kill attempt on SVS.

But, it was an oddly specific question. Do you have a reason to believe SVS would have survived that day, if she was targetted for a kill?

Matt - I'm interested in lynching Harkonnens, which I do not currently think you are. You seem remarkably defensive, but my intent in this line of questioning has been to figure out what is going on with you, which I think is kind of important.

Say Golden, have you read your win condition?

Zebra when and where have you had a scum read on me? I can't find anything on that subject. This is the first I've heard of it I think?

Golden wrote:

Matt F wrote:And regarding SVS, you really think I would say that to her had I tried to kill her? C'mon dude, really?

Like you say, there was no evidence there was any kill attempt on SVS.

But, it was an oddly specific question. Do you have a reason to believe SVS would have survived that day, if she was targetted for a kill?

Matt - I'm interested in lynching Harkonnens, which I do not currently think you are. You seem remarkably defensive, but my intent in this line of questioning has been to figure out what is going on with you, which I think is kind of important.

I think you're right. I think Matt is from another faction that has kills that have failed.

a2thezebra wrote:Say Golden, have you read your win condition?

Yes.

Are you surprised to see Harkonnen have a kill every night?

I am defensive. I stated what was obvious to everyone and suddenly you and Mac are all over it like I slipped.

Seems to me if you are going to say that you did not think it was possible the other factions had kills, well frankly that seems unrealistic. In fact, I was anticipating tonight's night post to see who would make the kill, and when Harkonnen made it again, I decided to point that out. Suddenly you and Mac are claiming I slipped! I'm seriously in "wtf" mode right now.

Golden - What do you think of sig? Do the three votes on him today make you feel better or worse about him? I'm supposing they're meant to make us feel better, but then I'm wondering if this is the ultimate test in reverse psychology, tbh.

Linki - Lol @ Mac. If there have been kills that have failed, then why aren't those attempted kills shown in the night post?

To anyone who has played an Epi hosted game, does he include failed NK's in the night post?