The Syndicate

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:16 pm Actually wait.
Shouldn’t there be a Nocturnal Champion?

No

I just realized that I slightly messed up last night but we’ll lock that one away and maybe I didn’t cause idk how stuff works

the question of "where did kyle's shot go" is still sorta illusory but I guess he shot into LC and it got eaten. he might have intended to frame there the day after.

I really hate 3p hunting and I don't think it should ever be a thing tbh

the funny thing is is that tim like confirmed daisy's result

and daisy's result was already slightly crazy

yeah ok daisy can you full claim ig

you basically already have I just want everything to match up

and @Gavial can you tell me what your shrines do exactly

Now I'm reasonably certain that we have about 12 different ways to mech lock everything tonight but give me a bit of time to work everything out. @Vulgard and @Long Con let me know what abilities you have tonight if you have any that are useful. Tim, let me know what you need w.r.t. coins.

I... did jailkeep LC. Why was there no mafia kill? There is no way they target LC after I say in the thread I'll be jailkeeping LC.

This makes LC lock not 3p for obvious reasons.

If the 3p has roleblock+kill instead of just "kill," then I could see how that happened, but I find that possibility unlikely. What kind of SK roleblocks its kill targets?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:12 am I... did jailkeep LC. Why was there no mafia kill? There is no way they target LC after I say in the thread I'll be jailkeeping LC.

This makes LC lock not 3p for obvious reasons.

yeah i mean yeah they do, if they think it incriminates lc and then incriminates you when lc flips town. that wasn't going to happen but it's a decent roadmap

Why not just kill you? Literally no one thinks you're mafia. Sure, I get a clear on LC, but we also lose a clear.

Meh, I'm not going to argue about this much. Occam's Razor does say it's the most likely they just targeted LC with their kill.

Should I fullclaim?

yeah sure

Okay.

My actions are as claimed. Enrique (my previous slot holder) jailkept Tim on N1, did nothing N2, and was going to Sheogorath (Chaos shrine) on N3. I decided not to change Enrique's N3 when I replaced in, because I was unfamiliar with this game and didn't want to change something without knowing if changing it was optimal.

N4 I jailkept Gavial, N5 I bus drove with TSP, N6 I visited Sheogorath (Chaos shrine) again and was forced to post in pictures and gifs throughout day 7, which I did.

N7 I jailkept Long Con. We had a 3p kill but not a mafia kill. If it was Tim's vig kill he would've already claimed it.

My abilities are:

Boethiah - Bus drive, but I have to be one of the targets.
Malacath - Jailkeep.
Peryite - Commuter (excludes killling actions). I have never used this because 1. it doesn't prevent the wolves from killing me and 2. I didn't want to stop town actions on me.
Sanguine - 1-shot: swap this ability for a dead player's shrine ability. Visiting Sanguine from that point forward uses that ability. I have never used this, because it's optimal to use this early; if I used it instantly on N3 when I replaced in, I would've only been able to use the backed-up ability on N6, and there was no guarantee I'd live that long. I checked the graveyard and the best thing I could back up was the cop check.
Sheogorath - Well, Chaos.

I hardclaim that I've never had any artifacts.

i can confirm a few things about vulgard but really i'm just 90 percent sure I know what his character is

which means nothing

I can claim my character as well, but I'm not sure if that changes anything. I'd rather save that, in case someone else tries to claim it for whatever reason.

can you tell me exactly what a commuter and a busdrive do

oh wait enrique blocked tim n1

and all of gav's shrines have reset so that's good

Busdrive redirects all actions targeting me to my target, and all actions targeting my target, to me. So if I bus drive you, everyone who targets you targets me instead, and everyone who targets me targets you.

Commuter stops all night actions on me on the night I use it. In this case, it stops all actions except killing actions.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:18 am Why not just kill you? Literally no one thinks you're mafia. Sure, I get a clear on LC, but we also lose a clear.

Meh, I'm not going to argue about this much. Occam's Razor does say it's the most likely they just targeted LC with their kill.

Should I fullclaim?

also gav's claim is not complete but I think he like self docced last night or something

ok I thought it might be like a push

When I said my abilities were suboptimal to use (I think that was day 6), I could only use Chaos (lol) or the commute (potentially blocking a town's action, since I was PoE). Chaos was a meme, but it seemed like a better choice than stopping town actions, because mafia want to keep me alive for PoE purposes.

yeah you're clear enough in my book for now

Technically, I could've used my 1-shot, but there was no conceivable way fmpov that I'd ever get to use the ability from it. Also, I probably would've picked the cop check, and that'd be a meme, considering we're out of mafia now.

My reads have obviously been awful, so.

i have what would have amounted to a cop check last night and i completely missed it but then I also failed to submit an action anyways but then the wolves all died anyways anyways so everything works out

So LC is lock not 3p, and I know I'm not 3p.
POE of 4 I guess.

With 6 alive that's way too big.

ok so the thing I suspect is going to happen is that we have about half a dozen ways to check for 3p or not, we're gonna figure them out, we're gonna create a plan for a set of checks, we're going to go to sleep, Vul is going to busdrive himself with a checker at semi-random, and hopefully we wake up with a poe of 1 or at the very worst 1 and a CC --> 2 and there won't be any mech confusion but more likely I'm gonna get shot and Daisy and Gav are going to yell at each other and the 3p will coast to a victory

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:36 am So LC is lock not 3p, and I know I'm not 3p.
POE of 4 I guess.

With 6 alive that's way too big.

Gav is cleared by Daisy's check and your block, I'm cleared by visible chaos (twice), and theoretically Tim is cleared via your n1 block actually

I see no good argument why any of you are not 3p. That's the bad thing.
I may have been correct that this is never Gavial's scum meta but him being 3p is still an option.

he has literally been cop checked as not 3p

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:38 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:36 am So LC is lock not 3p, and I know I'm not 3p.
POE of 4 I guess.

With 6 alive that's way too big.

Gav is cleared by Daisy's check and your block, I'm cleared by visible chaos (twice), and theoretically Tim is cleared via your n1 block actually

Nice crosspost.

Can you elaborate? I want to make sure we don't have a misclear.
Because if what you're saying is true, it's literally just Daisy.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:39 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:38 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:36 am So LC is lock not 3p, and I know I'm not 3p.
POE of 4 I guess.

With 6 alive that's way too big.

Gav is cleared by Daisy's check and your block, I'm cleared by visible chaos (twice), and theoretically Tim is cleared via your n1 block actually

Nice crosspost.

Can you elaborate? I want to make sure we don't have a misclear.
Because if what you're saying is true, it's literally just Daisy.

I don't want to elaborate for a very specific reason but I think most of them are fairly self explanatory. The weird one is mine, I don't know how much backreading you're doing but I got chaosed off of the poll Night 1 and we know from Tim/Daisy claims today that the 3p has to have visited molag bal that night.

I think it is not unlikely for the 3p to be unblockable.

Me replacing in N3 makes it hard for me to understand the clears relying on what had happened before then.

At least while visiting Molag Bal. This is unfortunate, but like we have 2 clears just from that and at some point balance of probability.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:43 am I think it is not unlikely for the 3p to be unblockable.

So you think LC being like "ok block me" would be because he's 3p and unblockable anyway?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:43 am Me replacing in N3 makes it hard for me to understand the clears relying on what had happened before then.

I don't really understand Daisy's check on gav tbh but that's mostly because Daisy has been, no offense, not the easiest person to get information from this game

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:44 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:43 am I think it is not unlikely for the 3p to be unblockable.

So you think LC being like "ok block me" would be because he's 3p and unblockable anyway?

yeah i think it's at least plausible

it gives us a poe of three since if we neglect the blocks both LC and Tim have nothing clearing them in that case. We also have the circumstantial evidence of Tim having been tracked to Molag Bal, and I'm actually inclined to trust Daisy as clear then because she knew that he was there but also /mech/.

but again at least me, gav, daisy have ways to check for 3p status tonight and the wolf can probably only mess with one of us if any

I kinda want to scream. 3p hunting sucks ass.

like this is probably locked

but yes i agree i hate 3p hunting

Who's the optimal yeet in that case? LC? Would be funny if I blocked him, thought I cleared him, then had to yeet him anyway for mech reasons.

optimal yeet is to sleep