The Syndicate

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Who would we all prefer to lynch between Elohcin and chaindeath? Even if soneji is a cop, one of those other two has to also be a cop.

If we're sure that Elohcin is police, I say we lynch her. Here's why:

At this point, the double-arrest is effectively off the table. If, as is speculated by some, that Turnip Head and Sloonei are the dons, then there would only be three players remaining after the lynch that can be arrested: chaindeath, Prisoner 509378, and Soneji. One of them is the cop, so pulling a double-arrest will single them out. Now, if they HAVE to put in the double-arrest request, then there's a chance you folks will catch a lucky break and have the final cop handed to you on a "silver platter." If the Chief does not HAVE to place a double-request, then they won't for that very reason.

If it's chaindeath of Soneji, then that means that Prisoner 509378 is the only candidate for their arrest tonight. Are there any protection powers or team kill powers believed to still be in existence to protect 509? If so, you'll all (excepting Elohcin) still be around tomorrow to continue on with this discussion.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:I highly doubt that Silverwolf was the stool pigeon.

Why?

Are there any reasons to think she was the stool pigeon beyond her claiming to know ika was the seemer?

That alone is a decent reason. She was also totally insistent about it.

Are there any reasons not to that don't also apply to Soneji?

With most players that would be a decent reason, but given their relationship I don't think it is, especially because she was so insistent about it. Silverwolf and ika have proven themselves to be extremely insistent defenders of each other in multiple games, and while you could (and they often have) make the argument that their experience with each other helps back up their defense, I think their love clouds their ability to be objective with reading each other. Not a slight to them whatsoever, I'm just saying that I would take their reads of each other (and this includes role speculation) with a grain of salt at best.

I don't know about Soneji.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:I highly doubt that Silverwolf was the stool pigeon.

Why?

Are there any reasons to think she was the stool pigeon beyond her claiming to know ika was the seemer?

That alone is a decent reason. She was also totally insistent about it.

Are there any reasons not to that don't also apply to Soneji?

With most players that would be a decent reason, but given their relationship I don't think it is, especially because she was so insistent about it. Silverwolf and ika have proven themselves to be extremely insistent defenders of each other in multiple games, and while you could (and they often have) make the argument that their experience with each other helps back up their defense, I think their love clouds their ability to be objective with reading each other. Not a slight to them whatsoever, I'm just saying that I would take their reads of each other (and this includes role speculation) with a grain of salt at best.

I don't know about Soneji.

I can understand a grain of salt. That's agreeable. You said you "highly doubt it" though. That's a whole bag of rock salt. Surely there's more to your reasoning for such a strongly stated conviction?

Sloonei wrote:This is true. Even a mislynch today gives us the remaining two cops, assuming the game continues.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I can't even find this post, where is it? But I appreciate the skepticism, even if it is misplaced.

Prisoner 640326 wrote:Yo 813, old buddy, tell me who to vote. I trust your judgement.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:This is true. Even a mislynch today gives us the remaining two cops, assuming the game continues.

This is what I meant when I suggested the game could be locked down if any non-cop is paroled. We should tread carefully though, who knows what shenanigans may await.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I can't even find this post, where is it? But I appreciate the skepticism, even if it is misplaced.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 2&sr=posts

Prisoner 958153 wrote:I'm new, but like I'm not 'new' new. I'm like a really old woman who's just taken up bingo for the first time. You dig?

So yeah. I'll get into it at a later time but my skim through the thread tells me a few things:

1) We're so close!
2) The prisoner is so cool!
3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.
4) Turnip Head should be your only confirmed civ.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm with 958 let's lynch Sloondog Millionaire!

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

Prisoner 483934 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I know which inch of Sloonei I'd like to interrogate.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:I highly doubt that Silverwolf was the stool pigeon.

Why?

Are there any reasons to think she was the stool pigeon beyond her claiming to know ika was the seemer?

That alone is a decent reason. She was also totally insistent about it.

Are there any reasons not to that don't also apply to Soneji?

With most players that would be a decent reason, but given their relationship I don't think it is, especially because she was so insistent about it. Silverwolf and ika have proven themselves to be extremely insistent defenders of each other in multiple games, and while you could (and they often have) make the argument that their experience with each other helps back up their defense, I think their love clouds their ability to be objective with reading each other. Not a slight to them whatsoever, I'm just saying that I would take their reads of each other (and this includes role speculation) with a grain of salt at best.

I don't know about Soneji.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:I highly doubt that Silverwolf was the stool pigeon.

Why?

Are there any reasons to think she was the stool pigeon beyond her claiming to know ika was the seemer?

That alone is a decent reason. She was also totally insistent about it.

Are there any reasons not to that don't also apply to Soneji?

With most players that would be a decent reason, but given their relationship I don't think it is, especially because she was so insistent about it. Silverwolf and ika have proven themselves to be extremely insistent defenders of each other in multiple games, and while you could (and they often have) make the argument that their experience with each other helps back up their defense, I think their love clouds their ability to be objective with reading each other. Not a slight to them whatsoever, I'm just saying that I would take their reads of each other (and this includes role speculation) with a grain of salt at best.

I don't know about Soneji.

!00% disagree with this, ika was a seemer hands down. Its pretty clear that ika set himself up as stool pigeon to silver to fit his narrative and agenda he was playing. The moment he was gone, was the moment silver needed to be gone too.

Sloonei wrote: I am not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain? How did ika set himself up as the stool pigeon, and why did his arrest necessitate silverwolf's?

Prisoner 419713 wrote:Their relationship clouds nothing about their judgements.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote: I am not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain? How did ika set himself up as the stool pigeon, and why did his arrest necessitate silverwolf's?

Sure, everyone (including silverwolf herself) was giving crap to ika about why he had no apparent paranoia to silverwolf herself. The stool pigeon is the perfect cover to hide that. Seeing how he would also never make an emotional manipulative post to silverwolf as town (it's a scum claim hands down if he does something like that to silver), after ika flipping stool pigeon, it would be most logical that if he was town, he was stool pigeoned to silver. Their relationship clouds nothing about their judgements. Also if ika made that kind of post he was probably expecting silver to treat it like a scum claim and when she didn't he probably broke down and was telling them to not leave silver. Also considering her reads before the arrest were dead on, I would not be surprised to see the arrest be due to her reads in conjoint with the ohter reasons.

At the beginning of the game, he selects a number which corresponds to a member of his family (excluding The Don). He will learn the role of the player selected. If he is in danger of being arrested, he may choose to reveal the identity of this player to the Police, and if so, he is saved

Sloonei wrote:That was that prisoner's first post here. Anyone got any info to share on them?

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:That was that prisoner's first post here. Anyone got any info to share on them?

*flips through his notes*

Prisoner 419713
Entry Date: [REDACTED]
Likely Identities: [REDACTED]
Number of Challenges Present For: [REDACTED]
Player Notes: Better participation in their first challenge than even some "established" prisoners. Waning participation afterwards. Participation level in "grouped challenges" unknown. Level of motivation is difficult to determine. Not as hostile seeming as some other prisoners.

Sloonei wrote:chaindeath's post history is short if any of you prisoners feel like ISOing him.

Prisoner 640326 wrote:Chaindeath is reading this thread...

Prisoner 483934 wrote:I'm voting for Elohcin because y'all seem pretty positive.

I don't know much about Soneji, but I wouldn't mind lynching him.

I don't want to lynch Prisoner 509, because that seems fruitless.

I'd buy chaindeath a drink for making it to Day 12 alive in his first game back in 3 years. Gin and tonic please! (tanqueray or hendricks )

I would make friends with Sloonei and Turnip Head because they are fun folks.

Prisoner 483934 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I know which inch of Sloonei I'd like to interrogate.

Sloonei wrote:Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:A grain of salt is my recommendation for you, a whole bag of rock salt is what I have for me.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

We have no reason to question Silverwolf's motives. She was arrested because she was town, and her perspective was an honest one. The only question to be asked is this one:

Did Silverwolf intend to convey to us that she was the real stool pigeon, and that was how she knew ika was the seemer? Or did she intend to convey to us that she knew ika was the seemer because she felt she could read him really well?

One of those arguments is obviously stronger than the other, and if it's the former then Soneji is a cop. I'll dig in after dinner.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

We have no reason to question Silverwolf's motives. She was arrested because she was town, and her perspective was an honest one. The only question to be asked is this one:

Did Silverwolf intend to convey to us that she was the real stool pigeon, and that was how she knew ika was the seemer? Or did she intend to convey to us that she knew ika was the seemer because she felt she could read him really well?

One of those arguments is obviously stronger than the other, and if it's the former then Soneji is a cop. I'll dig in after dinner.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

We have no reason to question Silverwolf's motives. She was arrested because she was town, and her perspective was an honest one. The only question to be asked is this one:

Did Silverwolf intend to convey to us that she was the real stool pigeon, and that was how she knew ika was the seemer? Or did she intend to convey to us that she knew ika was the seemer because she felt she could read him really well?

One of those arguments is obviously stronger than the other, and if it's the former then Soneji is a cop. I'll dig in after dinner.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.

Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.