The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 pm**

Having a mafia role that can mess with cop checks is certainly not bastard.

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:08 pm**

Marmot showed as innocent to cops so maybe we actually can't trust anything

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:09 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 pm Having a mafia role that can mess with cop checks is certainly not bastard.

eh, some hosts/communities would consider any role that makes it so a cop doesn’t get accurate results/having a cop not get accurate results to begin with bastard but ultimately the definition of “bastard” is subjective

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:09 pm**

There's so much mech in this game that I can't trust anything either way.

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:12 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:08 pm Marmot showed as innocent to cops so maybe we actually can't trust anything

ah right, i guess godfathers would be a sufficient nerf on the cop

but godfathers make a wolf turn up green. what we’re talking about with alison is a villager potentially turning up red, which is more unusual

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:13 pm**

i believe if mr. jaggedjimmyjay were here he would say something akin to “screw mechanics, we can solve this through the power of teamwork. mountainous GOAT”

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:15 pm**

“my hatred of mechanics grows with each new mechanic i encounter” - jaggedjimmyjay, 2020

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:20 pm**

I'm sure he's in spec chat enjoying this

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:24 pm**

this game sending me to toon world

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:51 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:28 pmlong con is a viable wolf candidate

fingersplints is a viable wolf candidate but toward the upper tier of my POE - i still generally like her posting even if there is nothing specific about it that makes me village read her

Possible SPF-fingersplints wolf partnership.

Posted: **Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:58 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:58 pm apparently we do get informed if a faction has been eliminated. so that means there’s at least one member of the kc mafia left

Where was this made apparent?

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:00 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:58 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:58 pm apparently we do get informed if a faction has been eliminated. so that means there’s at least one member of the kc mafia left
Where was this made apparent?

it wasn’t

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:04 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:00 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:58 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:58 pm apparently we do get informed if a faction has been eliminated. so that means there’s at least one member of the kc mafia left
Where was this made apparent?
it wasn’t

Just explain it and please don't be cagey.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:10 am**

i asked nova

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:17 am**

Just looking at fingersplints' ISO to see what I think.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:20 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:46 am 1) Nanook JPIC
2) Long Con
3) Falcon

Nanook isn't fully clear in my mind. Is there a chance Nook is in the other team and has a vig shot?
I guess there is always a chance but it feels really unlikely to me. There has been a lot of kills each night, I feel like the town would need a kill to balance it out. Also, if nanook was wolf why would he go for Dom with his extra kill and not try to get one of the confirmed town? I’ve been leaning town on nanook for a while so I trust this

This might be a fingersplints wolf believing Nanook is truly town.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:17 pm I’ve never seen a role that can’t be lynched, can’t be night killed, can’t vote, and can protect people. Seems unbelievably overpowered.

If fingersplints is a wolf, Esooa isn't on her team.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:13 pmI need to read more thoroughly. These role mechanics are too confusing for me.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:38 pmThis games mechanics are just going over my head.

Maybe true, but the insistence upon appearing as this type of innocence feels a little like a wolfy shield.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:01 pm @Sloonei

Speculating bad based on role and team just isn’t my thing unless there are obvious reasons for me to think it. My scum hunting tactics have always been quite unconventional in that manner. I used to play in games where you’d generally be given a list of all the roles from the host in the beginning, and people would find it odd because I wouldn’t read the roles for days. I remember one game where I got suspicion for not knowing the town win condition, but I was town
It’s why you’ll hear me say time and time again that I’m more comfortable in smaller games with more standard role mechanics, or I’ll play if I absolutely love the theme. This game was a bit of a weird one for me to choose because it ticks none of those things I just mentioned. If you want to know the actual reason, I mentioned it in signups https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 36#p756636

I’ve already said my thoughts haven’t changed, but let’s talk more
Anyways, I know you have disagreed with this take, but I still think TSP is Marmot’s teammate based on early comments made. Anything later on I think could have been attempts at distancing. It’s probably stubborn headless, but I can’t get over it.

I think some valid points have been made for the ted connection to marmot, so I could see this as another possibility. I don’t want to be accused of copying again, so I’m just being honest here that it’s in no way my idea but I think it’s got merit.

The rest on the last PoE I listed (al, LC, maybe Dom) have potential scummy behaviour that I don’t identify to any team. Dom’s still included here because he’s such a big question mark that I don’t want to forget about him and give him a free pass.

I know I still have some neutrals, but tbh I feel comfortable not having made up my mind on everyone yet. I don’t play like that. I have a few main suspects to focus on and that is enough for me. I am open minded enough to allow for thinking about others, but I don’t feel like I need to be pressured to decide about them now.

Debated on including this one just for the fact that she pushed on two townfolk here, because that happens. But I couldn't resist highlighting the small Player Salad she employed, yes, it is a real tell. Two town members and AL_sama, who's probably just on KC and not fingersplints' team, Gerhardt.

Also, she treated TSP as her personal suspicion project ALMOST to the exclusion of other suspicions until he died.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:33 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:31 pm @Sloonei I love the
“Me:
Me”

section

I definitely agree with the talk that Falcon needs revisiting. I remember thinking they were town early on, but I’m not sure that it’s a good enough reason with the recent flip and their latest activity. (Changing votes while not wanting to answer why)
His lack of an explanation upon request is not a great look either.

If you had to crunch the game down into a 5-player pool of suspects, who would they be?

If I were to crunch the player list to the “least townie” 5 I’d probably end up with Al, Dom, LC, jpic, and maybe Falcon.
But I’m having a hard time picking just 5. Being wrong about tsp is making me question a lot. I still don’t have a great read on spf. I’m less confident on town lean for Bo. I don’t know if we can trust the claims for Odd and KZA. And what if I’m just stupid and wrong in my town read of nanook.

This time, she opted for the Large Player Salad.

Blah. Done with ISO. Suspicion rekindled. [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:19 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:10 ami asked nova

We'll see.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:22 am**

oh no, a salad. the punishment is death

[VOTE: splints] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:23 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:22 am oh no, a salad. the punishment is death

[VOTE: splints] aubergine

TWO salads.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:23 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:23 am
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:22 am oh no, a salad. the punishment is death

[VOTE: splints] aubergine
TWO salads.

let’s kill her twice then

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:25 am**

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:27 am**

TIL the syndicate has a smilie of someone digging their own grave and burying themselves alive. mood

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:31 am**

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:31 am**

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:35 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:31 am [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

...ridiculous!

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:10 am**

this site really has some great smilies

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 am**

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:34 pm I am a real busdriver, N2 swapped Alison and Sloonei, dying on this hill

Catching up, it makes sense if one faction, town, has a bus driver the other, mafia, to have one.

Practically Sloonei was a passive/self protective bus driver if i understand correct, why have to be an active one in town? What proves me you are villager Odd?

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:16 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:10 am this site really has some great smilies

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:27 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:45 pm i doubt there’s a straight alignment cop and that wolves don’t have any roles to counter it

usually in setups with an alignment cop there’s always something to nerf the cop or make their results unreliable

I've been thinking, Esoa said she will protect me, but she started the day saying she didn't. If she is a wolf she didn't protect me because she knows that her team will mess up my result?

I also consider that the way she plays is not villagery at all.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:28 am**

The moment when i am alone here

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:31 am**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:54 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:52 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 pm I will reiterate Benjamin Schmidt is a bumbling idiot in the show and might be a wrong cop lol
that would be hilarious but also seems bastard
No offense to nova at all, but is nova known for making bastard games?

Nova makes complicated, hard to solve, well balanced iirc and memorable games
I don't have details about the bastard things, I don't think here are though, but misleading things can be

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:36 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:01 pm we should eliminate me for my own sanity

[VOTE: hally] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:37 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:27 am
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:45 pm i doubt there’s a straight alignment cop and that wolves don’t have any roles to counter it

usually in setups with an alignment cop there’s always something to nerf the cop or make their results unreliable
I've been thinking, Esoa said she will protect me, but she started the day saying she didn't. If she is a wolf she didn't protect me because she knows that her team will mess up my result?

I also consider that the way she plays is not villagery at all.

I think that maybe the current story is that she had a One-Shot power, and so cleaning to protect you would be just verbal shielding. I could be wrong about the one time use.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:38 am**

*Cleaning = claiming

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:50 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:37 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:27 am
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:45 pm i doubt there’s a straight alignment cop and that wolves don’t have any roles to counter it

usually in setups with an alignment cop there’s always something to nerf the cop or make their results unreliable
I've been thinking, Esoa said she will protect me, but she started the day saying she didn't. If she is a wolf she didn't protect me because she knows that her team will mess up my result?

I also consider that the way she plays is not villagery at all.
I think that maybe the current story is that she had a One-Shot power, and so cleaning to protect you would be just verbal shielding. I could be wrong about the one time use.

I took it that way until she said she used it on N1, which is antitown to say, clearing the fact she can't protect me anymore makes me the easiest target for mafia except they have the possibility to nullify my role in a way i don't know.

If my memory serves me right tne one shot was only the possibility to defend me and let my action go through, but she claimed a kind of JKer ability.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:58 am**

I honestly don't specifically recall the details of where her claim stands right now beyond that she is a stump, and that blocking ability seems to have fallen by the wayside. It probably doesn't matter because Esooa is not me, but to me the most villagery action would be, after announcing what she did Night one, to pretend she can do it indefinitely, and let them waste kills on her stump.

The way that she has purportedly played the role is, from that perspective, far from ideal. I hadn't thought about it before, but it's a role combination with some serious possibilities, but she just claimed the block and claimed stump for personal purposes.

Esooa why wouldn't you try to absorb a kill or two before outing your role?

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:33 am**

Everyone is F R O Z E N after I drop a sick bit of truth in the thread.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:46 am**

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:48 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:33 am Everyone is F R O Z E N after I drop a sick bit of truth in the thread.

According the mafia wiki the player needs to claim stump in the thread to become the stump.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:49 am**

"Exactly how one becomes a Tree Stump varies from game to game and role to role. Some examples:

A player may, as part of their role, declare themselves to be a Tree Stump inthread.
Instead of a normal kill, a killing role may instead turn players to Tree Stumps instead."

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:52 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:36 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:35 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:20 pm Maybe it's not me with the negative action, Michelle with some sort of negative investigation?
an alignment investigation isn’t negative
do we know if michelle's ability is a straight alignment investigation

we've been treating it like it is but she's been pretty cagey about the details

Isn't she claiming a trooper?

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:52 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:33 am Everyone is F R O Z E N after I drop a sick bit of truth in the thread.
According the mafia wiki the player needs to claim stump in the thread to become the stump.

I would not expect nova to adhere to mafia wiki definitions

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:54 am**

I come from a simpler world, where we lynch red checks & sometimes, tho very very rarely, have a naive sheriff.

All this mech action theorizing & shenaniganizing is too big brain for me.

I'm smooth braining this shiz & voting a red check, for the people.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:56 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:36 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:35 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:20 pm Maybe it's not me with the negative action, Michelle with some sort of negative investigation?
an alignment investigation isn’t negative
do we know if michelle's ability is a straight alignment investigation

we've been treating it like it is but she's been pretty cagey about the details
Isn't she claiming a trooper?

As far as I know only two Troopers have claimed, and Michelle is not one of them. Maybe I missed her claim.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:56 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:54 am I come from a simpler world, where we lynch red checks & sometimes, tho very very rarely, have a naive sheriff.

All this mech action theorizing & shenaniganizing is too big brain for me.

I'm smooth braining this shiz & voting a red check, for the people.

Me too. This game was sending me straight to toon world last night. Luckily I slept off the toons.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:57 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:33 am Everyone is F R O Z E N after I drop a sick bit of truth in the thread.
According the mafia wiki the player needs to claim stump in the thread to become the stump.

Since I have never heard of that, and have played in a number of games that have stumps, I'm not putting much stock in that.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:57 am**

It looks like Ben Schmidt should be a trooper from flavor yeah? Someone correct me if im wrong

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:57 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:56 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:54 am I come from a simpler world, where we lynch red checks & sometimes, tho very very rarely, have a naive sheriff.

All this mech action theorizing & shenaniganizing is too big brain for me.

I'm smooth braining this shiz & voting a red check, for the people.
Me too. This game was sending me straight to toon world last night. Luckily I slept off the toons.

Does that mean you're gonna vote the red check? Or where's your head at?

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:58 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:56 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:36 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:35 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:20 pm Maybe it's not me with the negative action, Michelle with some sort of negative investigation?
an alignment investigation isn’t negative
do we know if michelle's ability is a straight alignment investigation

we've been treating it like it is but she's been pretty cagey about the details
Isn't she claiming a trooper?
As far as I know only two Troopers have claimed, and Michelle is not one of them. Maybe I missed her claim.

Well she claimed ben Schmidt, I haven't watched the show but Google suggests they're probably a trooper

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:58 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:57 am It looks like Ben Schmidt should be a trooper from flavor yeah? Someone correct me if im wrong

I will defer to Alison on that one.

Posted: **Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:00 am**

Someone that has flavor knowledge please help

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