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Why?Prisoner 419713 wrote:Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
As for your question: Eloh
I already explained the topic of why it makes sense. Yes if ika is the stool pigeon he's has a 1/10 shot in getting silver, but he built a narrative to act like that to her.Sloonei wrote:Why?Prisoner 419713 wrote:Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
As for your question: Eloh
Why?
Neither of these are satisfactory answers.Prisoner 419713 wrote:I already explained the topic of why it makes sense. Yes if ika is the stool pigeon he's has a 1/10 shot in getting silver, but he built a narrative to act like that to her.Sloonei wrote:Why?Prisoner 419713 wrote:Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
As for your question: Eloh
Why?
I've been suspecting him more then chain
No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Are you claiming to be the real one?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Are you claiming to be the real one?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
I think it's possible, but I'm on the fence as to how likely it is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Are you claiming to be the real one?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
Elohcin and Serge's vote and participation history match the fingerprints of a "baddie" role on life support. Not voting for RadicalFuzz the day he was lynched, never voting for another "baddie", sporadic participation, and late votes on obvious "baddie" trains. It all looks like a "baddie" ship sinking rapidly.Sloonei wrote:I'll ask this again for the prisoners, since no one seemed to answer the first time: Chaindeath or Elohcin? This is every bit as important a question as the one about soneji/ika.
Do you think both Soneji and Boomslang/Enrique could genuinely be stool pigeons?Prisoner 606386 wrote:I think it's possible, but I'm on the fence as to how likely it is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Are you claiming to be the real one?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
Is that impossible?Prisoner 509378 wrote:Do you think both Soneji and Boomslang/Enrique could genuinely be stool pigeons?Prisoner 606386 wrote:I think it's possible, but I'm on the fence as to how likely it is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Do you think Soneji could genuinely be a stool pigeon?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No, I'm claiming that if Soneji is a cop then it's not because Silver was the stool pigeon.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Are you claiming to be the real one?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.
How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
You think ika was a cop and you're full of typos.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.
I agree with this.Prisoner 509378 wrote:How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?Prisoner 606386 wrote:This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
Yes I think ika was a cop. He was seemer who tried to fake a stool pigeon to silver.Prisoner 509378 wrote:You think ika was a cop and you're full of typos.Prisoner 419713 wrote:Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.
No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.Prisoner 509378 wrote:From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.Prisoner 419713 wrote:How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?Prisoner 606386 wrote:This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just think the answers you gave are incomplete and don't shed any new light on anything. I explained why I think your theory about silverwolf and ika is flawed and you did not address it, and your explanation of your Elohcin "suspicion" was completely void of any substance at all.Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
Why do you think what im saying is wrong?
I gave my answers. I can't say much else without breaking rules...Prisoner 606386 wrote:It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.Prisoner 419713 wrote:How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?Prisoner 606386 wrote:This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
Prisoner 813142 wrote:Elohcin and Serge's vote and participation history match the fingerprints of a "baddie" role on life support. Not voting for RadicalFuzz the day he was lynched, never voting for another "baddie", sporadic participation, and late votes on obvious "baddie" trains. It all looks like a "baddie" ship sinking rapidly.Sloonei wrote:I'll ask this again for the prisoners, since no one seemed to answer the first time: Chaindeath or Elohcin? This is every bit as important a question as the one about soneji/ika.
The only thing that gives me pause is just how convenient it looks given the situation you find yourselves in. Momentum and overconfidence are hard to distinguish at times.
I must have missed that. Doesn't that seem unnecessarily risky though?Prisoner 509378 wrote:How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
I'm not asking for more explanation, I just don't jive with the idea that it's pointless to ask questions or raise concerns. That's frightening to me.Prisoner 419713 wrote:I gave my answers. I can't say much else without breaking rules...Prisoner 606386 wrote:It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.Prisoner 419713 wrote:How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?Prisoner 606386 wrote:This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.
I have never been one to explain well.
I addressed it in my bigger post, if there are flaws (ie the chance one) I should of already addressed it if i missed one quote it for me.Sloonei wrote:I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just think the answers you gave are incomplete and don't shed any new light on anything. I explained why I think your theory about silverwolf and ika is flawed and you did not address it, and your explanation of your Elohcin "suspicion" was completely void of any substance at all.Prisoner 419713 wrote:It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.
Why do you think what im saying is wrong?
And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.Prisoner 509378 wrote:From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.Prisoner 419713 wrote:And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.Prisoner 509378 wrote:From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
We are at endgame, there shouldn't be much question. It should be a set of "ok these are town we don't touch" and lynch outside of that.Prisoner 606386 wrote: I'm not asking for more explanation, I just don't jive with the idea that it's pointless to ask questions or raise concerns. That's frightening to me.
So you are admitting silver could be a stool pigeon?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.Prisoner 419713 wrote:And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.Prisoner 509378 wrote:From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.Prisoner 419713 wrote:So you are admitting silver could be a stool pigeon?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.Prisoner 419713 wrote:And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?Prisoner 606386 wrote:No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.Prisoner 509378 wrote:From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?
Prisoner 640326Prisoner 640326 wrote:What are your player notes on me 813?
How come?Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
I have already said why.Prisoner 419713 wrote:How come?Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimmingPrisoner 419713 wrote:How come?Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
Nope, you've already responded to it and everything.Prisoner 419713 wrote:I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimmingPrisoner 419713 wrote:How come?Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
I did?Prisoner 606386 wrote:Nope, you've already responded to it and everything.Prisoner 419713 wrote:I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimmingPrisoner 419713 wrote:How come?Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.
It kind of does, especially when he was already essentially in the clear (i'm pretty sure he was suspect #3 for all of us with only 2 spots remaining) and the cops essentially can't win. I'm still feeling pretty good about chaindeath & eloh. But I admit I have more doubts about soneji now than I did when I woke up this morning. None of my questions can be answered by anyone other than him and silverwolf, though.Turnip Head wrote:I must have missed that. Doesn't that seem unnecessarily risky though?Prisoner 509378 wrote:How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.
It looks like Chaindeath planted this to avoid suspicion. Could it be that he is the master cop with Elohcin absent in btsc, leaving it up to himself to kill?chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.
Prisoner 419713 wrote:813, could you case yourself?
My theory has been that if Eloh and chain are the remaining cops, eloh is the chief because Epi would have been bussing chaindeath really hard while protecting Eloh from suspicion. The chief is the role he'd want to keep alive, not the beat cop.Prisoner 829579 wrote:It looks like Chaindeath planted this to avoid suspicion. Could it be that he is the master cop with Elohcin absent in btsc, leaving it up to himself to kill?chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.