Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Im the smartest oneMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:48 amWho are you?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:47 am I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!
Why? Wilgy is 3p so is SloonieEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:48 amScotty probably not a wolf.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:43 amYou havent answered my question. What have you learned from giving your guns out?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:33 am I mean tbh you can probably flip me and still win as long as y'all don't do stupid shit.
I dunno yet about Dr Wilgy, still waiting.
Let's not go into that directionParty Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:50 amIm the smartest oneMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:48 amWho are you?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:47 am I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!
The second post where i feel envy in your wordsParty Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:51 am I also dont know how marmot managed to weasel his way out of being poe
That slimy little beaver keeps getting away with it
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:08 amOh I forget we've only played like two games together.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 amTop posting doesn't mean didn't you just openly fluffed D1 like rnMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:06 amThat was, like, the only game in the last year where I actually tried. Pretty sure I top-posted that game start to finish.
Your memory is bad and you should feel bad.
Hi I'm MR nice to meet you.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 amI mean that's Wilgy.
Why you throwing so much shade at us slankers?
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:16 amOkay but it's not 'barren'. There's substance. I don't think it's AI but there are *things* someone could read into if they wanted to.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:14 amWilgz usually has AI posts D1. This iso has nothing AI.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 amI mean that's Wilgy.
Why you throwing so much shade at us slankers?
So how is ender coming to the conclusion Wilgz is town?
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:18 amI think we're missing each other semantically. To me 'barren' means 'empty' as in there's no real gameplay.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:16 amIf its not barren or AI then what is it?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:14 am Actually Wilgy's iso is neither barren nor alignment indicative.
You're both wrong.
To use in a sentence: "Master Radishes' iso is as barren as his womb and he is therefore a wolf."
Whereas to me Wilgy's iso is not empty - there's gameplay in it - but it's just not, for him, super AI yet and so I agree Ender is reaching but also he's allowed to make his own conclusions and you don't need to shade him for it.
I can't vote this man
OkayMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:10 am If I had a shot I'd shoot Dizzy.
Not that I scumread him exactly, but there was another game where I was really close to hero-shooting him and stuck to the 'safe' choice and it was a mistake, so I want to get another opportunity.
I had time to look for this postMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:16 amBecause he's not doing anything but be irreverent so far and Michelle is trying to prod him.
I say we wagon him.
If you played more you might have a funniest poster award in your future bubMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:14 am I was staring at the vote list just now and making reads based off the composition of certain 2-vote wagons and I suddenly remembered that I used to be considered good at this game.
@Party CrasherRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:18 pm YOU KNOW WHAT
Urist + Kate + Seanzie.
Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?
or more to the pointSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:25 pmRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:22 pm[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergineSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:22 pmWho are you?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:18 pm YOU KNOW WHAT
Urist + Kate + Seanzie.
Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?you do you, bro.
U could be right but im not seeing anything, we have evidence of wolves making an absurd bus, im just gonna keep ppl in my poe i think are scummy / uncharacteristicMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:12 am@Party CrasherRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:18 pm YOU KNOW WHAT
Urist + Kate + Seanzie.
Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?
Nah, I did it myself with my own play.
Tried to save Seanzie.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:15 am Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.
What else is against Dizzy?
Capital crime!MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:29 amTried to save Seanzie.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:15 am Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.
What else is against Dizzy?
Ily people, you made me laughParty Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:30 amIve no clue honestly i forgot how to read you
Dz also kept going back and forth
Initially i scumread u and he townread u. Then just as i switched and townread u he started scumreading u lol
Maybe it was less... clearing than I thought you meant?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:56 amLol did I?
Pretty sure my most recent read on Michelle isn't clearing but maybe I just thought it and didn't say it.
If i Neon lose the event again I'm gonna cry.Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:59 am If i (tutuu) win the event im shooting the wagon with most votes when the gun is given out
Democracy
You didEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:00 amTo be fair I said:
"People who have meta on Creature would disagree. I can see how Neon didn't know that tho."
Agreed Porscha is obv town and should never be wagoned or shotMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:02 amI was considering changing that but then you were just obvious town again.
I think HK is a wolf tbh.
*not if Alison and sabi didn’t know they were paired with rondo*MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:54 amIt really does clear you.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:52 amThe fact that Alison and Sabi were trying to soft pair me with them and Seanzie was trying to save his own skin with mine doesnt clear me is hilarious. but go on.
And so does your townie entitlement.
I'm convinced.
Now let's find mafia.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:34 am Ladies and gentlemen, a world first. I am going to let you into the mind of Macdougall like never before ... it's TRUSTFALL TIME, featuring, myself arguing with myself! I do hope to entertain you!
If this player was town, what would be the reason? And why is that argument really shit at the same time?
112 - 112 has felt like a player who has no teammates. They seem to lack TMI. They also shielded Hollowkatt early on, who has at least a small amount of Alison spew going for him.
Sure but they are also not trying to solve the game, and can be a level 1 slankwolf.
That is true, they are probably fairly hard null without closer analysis.
I would agree!
DrWilgy - DrWilgy's posts have not actively pinged me, or anyone really. There's nobody in the game who seems to have an axe to grind and wants to push him.
Yes, and why haven't the wolves actually drawn attention to his lack of production. What is the benefit to the mafia of not attempting to make someone who is not present a viable option.
Honestly the mafia have had their work cut out for them dealing with a fairly robust town, yesterday there was mafia in the POE and they died, it's not like they really would have felt all that comfortable trying to bring attention to new candidates in a way that was very persuasive.
True, you may have a point. Perhaps it's worth checking if anyone at all attempted to make Wilgy a suspect. Because I'd expect at least a LITTLE nibble at it from Alison or another wolf or two.
Agreed!
Dyslexicon - Dyslexicon has acted at times like a voice of reason. They are quite a calming influence on the thread.
But they tried to save Seanzie and undermine your push on Alison.
Yes well that also is probably a bit too sloppy for a wolf of Dyslexicon's skill level.
That's being generous, Dyslexicon is a good wolf, and good wolves understand that defending mafia teammmates when you have credibility is the most +ev thing you can do as a wolf)
You may have a point my good sir!
EnderWiggin - Ender has seemed to sincerely believe that Rondo is mafia. He has made that his near permanent axe to grind, and regardless of Rondo's alignment, Rondo's point of that boxing Ender in in the event of his flip being town, is a good one.
Yes but Rondo is town, and Ender has done nothing but push a town, which is wolfy, again you're being too generous.
Maybe so, maybe so.
falcon45ca - Falcon has had really good reads. He's pushed many of the wolves and isn't really doing so from a deepwolf position.
He's done this before.
True.
It's literally how he wins games as mafia. He has one of the highest mafia winrates on Syndicate.
Yeah but you're being paranoid. He just has good reads.
Does he really have this good of a radar as town, he's hardly posted so he's probably paid no attention to the game. Why are his reads so good?
Golden - Golden's wim and level of solving is very high. He is probably just town on play. He also has some pretty good Alison antispew going for him.
He also worked pretty hard to try to get SVS over instead of Seanzie (and probably other wolves), and SVS is probably town. He also was a strong supporter of Alison being in the towncore.
Seanzie also didn't try to push SVS when she was quite viable, and Alison also didn't push SVS when she could have ... you also thought Alison was town for the most part. Golden showed some signs of scepticism towards Alison, and he also openly conflicted with her on Kate.
Well... we'll get to SVS later. I think it's probably mostly paranoia to continue suspecting Golden so imma let it go.
Guillotine - He's in his town meta. I don't think he has TMI.
Alison literally pulled him out of your POE. He pushed you egregiously. His interactions with Rondo when they were both pushing you were super unusual.
Yeah she pulled him out but didn't pull Seanzie out because she was the assigned deepwolf of the team and had a pass to bus and townside.
Plausible, yet ... no just plausible honestly.
hollowkatt - Alison tried to persuade you to drop your townshield, which she did successfully, but she didn't push him, which means she was probably doing so in order to get YOU to push HK, which you did, not PUSH him herself, which if she wanted him to get actual pressure, she would do herself so she could get the cred, not leave you with the dirty hands. Also he got super mad and told someone to fuck off.
Hahaha... yeah I got nothing. This argument is solid.
Kate - Kate has okay tone and a shield from Golden that probably should be just sheeped. Also Alison tried to kill her.
Again... point well made.
Lilypetal - Every time Lily is around and someone says anything mean to me she defends me.
She would do that as mafia because you're pocketable and if she pushed you you'd be inclined to see right through it cuz she townreads you accurately all the time, she's done no hunting as town. She is squarely in her wolf meta.
Yeah... when u rite u rite homes.
Macdougall - You are extremely high wim in this game, and in a game that you should be taking a break from mafia in and phoning in which you were at the start, but your enthusiasm for this silly game has meant you cannot help yourself and have lost it, again, this is why this will be the last game you play for a long long time. But it's also very obvious you are town because you are a very significant reason that the mafia lost Seanzie yesterday, Alison is clearly not your partner and you have good spew with Sabi that had no theatre to it. You're obvious mafia, and town with paranoia towards you for fooling them so many times, plus the wolves/3p slots, are the only one really saying otherwise so you can probably stop worrying about it, nobody is going to flip you.
Thanks dad.
Marmot - I think Marmot was an attempted CFD at the last minute that wolves participated in.
He is not out of his wolf range.
His solving has been quite good when he's had the time. Nutella has a great instinct read on Marmot and shielded him hard and died.
Yep. Marmot is town.
master radishes - Radishes feels like a man without a team. He just sort of wanders in, laments not knowing what to do and then tries to figure out where to go. It's agendaless.
Well... you are describing a wolf. Where is his town intent?
Hmmm.
He also voted Marmot at EOD over Seanzie.
Hmmm.
Michelle - She literally just sheeped me all day until like the end and then voted Scotty. I mean I can have bad reads but the amount she did it, she was doing that instead of really attempting to pursue a wolf wincon.
Or a town one. She was trying to pocket you. She's done very little aside from try to pocket you. She ended up voting Scotty who is spewed clear from Alison.
I'm not sure that spew is very reliable.
Maybe not, but you shouldn't trust her. And Alison was actually shielding her with a misrep meta read saying she "wears her alignment on her sleeve" and is in her obvious town meta when you and i both know that she is not actually in her town meta at all.
True, maybe the wolves have all banded together from jump street and said "we're just pocketing Mac". Seanzie completely ignored pushing me which he like never does, Alison shielded me, Sabi pushed me a LITTLE bit but a lot less than usual and I also was pushing her. Maybe it's their entire agenda and why you're alive?
Now you get it!
Neon - Neon shot, an wolf, and has been otherwise shielding you.
Well if the wolf team's agenda is to pocket you, here's one.
Shot, an wolf.
Yes, yes. True. We let those skate. (unless they're sig).
Party Crasher - Lots of good solving from some of the heads, Hydra dissonance, Tutuu being all CFD happy the way she was isn't damning, and Marmot isn't clear so I can't hold that against her. Today particularly vibey solving.
Their solving today was predicated on something that ended up being provably wrong. Your overnight solving had them as lock mafia. Go back there moron.
Hmmm. Okay!
Porscha - Porscha is town.
I agree. Porscha is town.
RondoDimBuckle - Alison tried to chain him to the very specific universe in which Seanzie flipped mafia KP. Seanzie tried to make him the counterwagon.
True, I have no doubt anymore that Rondo is town either. Also maybe Seanzie sticking here and not trying to participate in teh Marmot C/W actually means Marmot was a hit too, maybe the CFD voters are all town?
Plausible. Plausible...
S~V~S - SVS voted you, you could have shot her.
She might be gambitting. In the end you couldn't shoot her cuz she was the only one that voted you.
That's true, Scotty really should have been voting me at EOD and found a reason not to. He's just mafia.
I really do think he is, and Alison spew is unreliable, but this is about SVS.
Yes I think if Scotty is mafia, SVS is probably mafia?
I would agree. They are teammates if one is wolf so too is the other.
Scotty - Alison spew?
Is unreliable, didn't vote you after trying to persuade everyone to vote you. Tried to save Seanzie.
Marmot can be mafia here.
Yes it is actually becoming rather likely that Marmot/Scotty is a w/t dichotomy, and SVS's alignment also hinges on Scott. SVS's alignment will actually tell a fair bit about this game.
I agree.
sig - Sig shot Alison. The end.
Sig is in his wolf meta. He townread her. He can't shoot someone he townreads that's egregious.
He shot Alison. There is no second mafia team. At best he's 3p.
True.
And also you actually think he's in his town meta why are you telling yourself he's in his wolf meta.
Well he's in his wolf meta in terms of his contribution and impact but his actual play has lots of his town notes, paranoia, entitlement.
Yup, so he's a townread.
Yeah i guess so. That's an amazing vig shot. I can scarcely believe he made it.
He is right when he says he plays vig like that. You've seen it.
Sloonei - He's just like thread dad with no agenda.
So he's an obvious 3p lol.
... true actually haha.
Urist - He's been pro mac and seems to believe his reads.
Yeaaaaaaah but he voted Rondo instead of Seanzie, and has been non stop pushing Golden who is probably town... and there was something else you found before and forgot.
Yeahhhh ok.
Okay so after unpacking my thoughts like a single player chess game.
Town unsorted
golden
sig
rondo
guillo
kate
hollowkatt
marmot
neon
porscha
Null/3p/? unsorted
Falcon
Sloonei
112
DrWilgy
Michelle
POE sorted
Scotty
SVS
Party Crasher
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Urist
Hello!Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:38 amCapital crime!MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:29 amTried to save Seanzie.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:15 am Mac why Dizzy?
I mean he's voting Rondo which is bad because of the pressure he had yday and i think it was enough, so Dizzy is going for what apparently is a consensus SR.
But that read on Rondo has changed and he keeps the suspicion.
What else is against Dizzy?
What do you say in your defence @Dyslexicon ?
Rondo has to be mafia manRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:44 amMarmot ( 4 ): MacDougall, Master Radishes, RondoDimBuckle, ScottyMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:34 am Macdougall - You are extremely high wim in this game, and in a game that you should be taking a break from mafia in and phoning in which you were at the start, but your enthusiasm for this silly game has meant you cannot help yourself and have lost it, again, this is why this will be the last game you play for a long long time. But it's also very obvious you are town because you are a very significant reason that the mafia lost Seanzie yesterday, Alison is clearly not your partner and you have good spew with Sabi that had no theatre to it. You're obvious mafia, and town with paranoia towards you for fooling them so many times, plus the wolves/3p slots, are the only one really saying otherwise so you can probably stop worrying about it, nobody is going to flip you.
Thanks dad.
Why did you stop pushing me? You werent really pushing seanzie you were pushing me you were 100% CONVINCED I was mafia. Why did you not end on me? Nutella was the one who kept the seanzie train on track and running on time. You cant claim credit for something you didnt vote for. I think I even made a more convincing case for seanzie than you did. I am not claiming credit because I refused to self-pres yesterday.
hmm good pointMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:34 am falcon45ca - Falcon has had really good reads. He's pushed many of the wolves and isn't really doing so from a deepwolf position.
He's done this before.
True.
It's literally how he wins games as mafia. He has one of the highest mafia winrates on Syndicate.
Yeah but you're being paranoid. He just has good reads.
Does he really have this good of a radar as town, he's hardly posted so he's probably paid no attention to the game. Why are his reads so good?
