The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:56 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:55 am are there any mechanical reasons to tr tutuu?

yes

juliets used her ability on me. juliets ability stops scum from using their abilities on the person she targets. tutuu also used her ability on me. it went through and I got notified that I was stuck in a lift. therefore tutuu is a civillian.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:58 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:56 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:55 am are there any mechanical reasons to tr tutuu?
yes

juliets used her ability on me. juliets ability stops scum from using their abilities on the person she targets. tutuu also used her ability on me. it went through and I got notified that I was stuck in a lift. therefore tutuu is a civillian.

okay, sick. i was about to tinfoil about her being maf but now im not

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:10 am**

tinfoil bad

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:10 am**

when was the last time a tinfoil resulted in an exe and that exe resulted in a mafia flip actually

because I really can't remember

I guess there were several games where tinfoiling people would have caught scum but I haven't seen any actual tinfoils work

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:24 am**

i guess dizzy tinfoil could have worked that one time but otherwise yes tinfoil bad

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:07 am**

Tutu would have to be mafia with exactly alison I think

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:07 am**

Otherwise she’s just town

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:58 am**

Time for some voting analysis

So we have Sprityo off wagon off the counter voting on Tutuu. Wilgy there too. This is >rand town for Wilgy. Voting alongside a teammate in that situation isn't likely. Also he is likely to be trying harder d1 to create a real misyeet and Tim's wagon was strong.

There is one mafia in the Nutella voters. JPIC. It's worth seeing if he posted the vote so we can tell whether his decision to bus came early or late. The earlier it came the more likely there are to be other scum there. Notwithstanding the rest of the voters there are kinda towny.

Oddmerta and Tedxtr are there on Tim. I can't fault them a lot cuz so am I. But the idea that there are zero mafia on that counterwagon feels wrong. I think.

Dyachei voting off wagon is also worth a side eye.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:59 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:02 pm Okay, samu is not the powerwolf Radiohead mafia deserves. So pure. Lock town

Interesting post. Don't see mafia make reads like this on teammates much.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:19 am**

didn't the nutella claim happen really late and the counterwagon happen really rushed

like I slept through the whole thing and it's possibly mafia also did that and locked their vote on nutella because they see she can't be saved and woke up next morning to see that there was a counterwagon possibility they didn't follow

if that's the case then the counterwagon can be pure

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:29 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:19 am didn't the nutella claim happen really late and the counterwagon happen really rushed

like I slept through the whole thing and it's possibly mafia also did that and locked their vote on nutella because they see she can't be saved and woke up next morning to see that there was a counterwagon possibility they didn't follow

if that's the case then the counterwagon can be pure

There's no doubt it can be.

But I very much doubt that it is.

Living Nutella voters: Poison Chan, Alison, Juliets, Samu, Tutuu, SPF
Living Tim voters: Oddmerta, Nanook, Tedxtr, MacDougall

I've thought about Oddmerta being lock town for softing Lotus Flower and I don't really want to give him max points for it anymore.

I'm gonna reread day 1.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:31 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:53 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm not really sure why people are focused on rogue right now

jpic what are your reads?
I have Samu and Tutuu as top town.
sprityo, Alison and mac a tier below

Why is Nutella being scumread? I am not particularly townreading her even, but the fact that she is gathered 9 votes then her team is slanking if she is a wolf. There’s no other counterwagon that I can see

Interesting post again from JPIC. Press x to doubt that he throws two scum and me in the same tier. Samu is a bit odd out there. Maybe JPIC really is someone who just hard townreads teammates? Sprityo definitely didn't deserve the town read he got from his teammate here for instance. Maybe he does a bit of the ol reverserooni.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:32 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:22 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia
Why?

This is not how one questions a mafia teammate who is establishing a scum distance on teammate (Sprityo). Tutuu is just town. Put the tinfoil to rest.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:33 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:47 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:41 pm I have decided to take this game seriously so I can evolve as a human being and fulfill my potential and unleash my ultimate power

No more will you have a troll-esque jpic that makes wise ass jokes, and instead will have a more stoic bender.

Ask me what I need to do so I can establish myself as the obv town jpic that Radiohead mafia deserves
Reads on tim, ted and myself?
You and tim are null. I have not really seen anything for me to justify a town read there

Ted is possibly town. I like his pushback on Mac. His progression on me is interesting as I thought he had me down as scum initially, but now seems to townread me. Need to look again if it was organic once I have access to a computer

Oddmerta asking for a mafia teammate to make a read on himself?

No.

JPIC waffled a bit too hard on Tedxtr here for my liking. Can be teammate fluff.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:36 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:28 am Wilgy is actually super town except also he claimed 3p and that could just be the truth

Hrmmmm. If you're gonna town read your teammate, do you really throw 3p sus on them?

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:39 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:31 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:48 am I wasn't gonna post this after Alison chose the good approach, but I'm deciding to keep that line in this spoiler just in case it helps her in future games, maybe it will help.

it's like scattered thoughts, maybe it helps people see where I'm at or something, just jotted down things I think about

Spoiler: show
I thought tutuu's backlash at me was pretty whatever, looked like a slip at first but town do dumb stuff all the time, especially when they misunderstand things.

It's pretty uncharacteristic of her but I'll pass it off as an issue outside the game.

Alison's sluggish push on me is annoying but not really AI I think. If I were to say anything wise, I'd say if you were going to go for a PoE approach as you call it and solve the game as if only 10 people are playing it, you're kinda doing it wrong.

Also remember that I have a temper and we both have a pretty high chance of being town and you're doing nothing by discouraging me from posting, apart from making me not want to post myself clear and hating my villa team and then probably you're the one that's gonna call that out post-game anyway despite actively working against your wincon.

You aren't getting anything AI worth when you make comments like "I can never get to town on ted if he posts like this". You're only setting the grounds for a fight out of which I'm probably gonna come as clean as a soap bar and the fact that I didn't take that opportunity should tell you that I'm town here. If you're genuinely interested in discerning my AI, wait for more posts or ask me about specific posts. Otherwise you're doing nothing but picking fights and those fights rarely end up in a reliable read.

Tim and Odd's brawl felt kind of squint.gif, both sides ended up kinda looking elsewhere after the fact, it felt weird. I thought Tim's posts aren't AI at all and his push on Odd specifically isn't, I think him as a wolf would know what happened the last time he got into a brawl and I heard he thrives in tunnels either way + the context of the push was literally the same as his last villager game. I'll take it a step further and actually note that I didn't really like his position in the "war" - it felt like he was pushing Odd for something that looks scummy as opposed to something that actually made Odd more likely to flip scum, ergo, his insistence on why Odd wants me to respond to stuff. I struggle to buy the fact that you think that is gonna make him more likely to flip wolf and I think it was actually more of a pretext for getting into the tunnel itself and "looking good".

I will go over Tim's posts again and see if I buy into that, those are just my initial thoughts as I've seen them. My initial reactions to reading the whole thing as I remember them.

Odd's ISO was fine upon a glance but, as I said, it felt like he kind of wanted to pull a switcheroo for something that I still fail to comprehend but I'm waiting for a response.

On that note, I will say that I don't intend to engage with any of my wolf suspects - so please be respectful and don't throw a tantrum if I don't reply to your queries if I feel like they are agenda driven or you're just looking to pick a fight for the fun of it. My reads are my reads, if I get your feelings hurt by scum reading you then I'm sorry. If you're town then trust that I will calibrate my reads and if you're scum, I'm not gonna convince you that you have a wolf role PM so I just deem it a waste of time to directly engage with wolves, especially replying to their defence of potential cases. Just wanted to get that out of the way.

wew since when does ted write walls

this is either super town or super wolf lol

What kind of read is this!?

If you're mafia and wanting to distance from a teammate surely you just call them mafia? If you want to shield them you call them town? What's with the hedging?

I can't get into her head on this one. It just feels like a town post. Stupid Nutella with her stupid ability to sound town as mafia.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:43 am**

Gosh I wish you had cop checked Tedxtr

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:46 am**

Hmmm the day wagon is actually really interesting.

So we have Sprityo and JPIC lead wagons both. Then both of them were on Tim along with Oddmerta, Dizzy, Nook and Samu.

I question whether the other two mafia really want to be left on that wagon? That would feel disgusting.

I want to see if anyone left Tim late to just latch onto Sprityo.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:56 am**

So let's say DrWilgy, Samu, Oddmerta and Tedxtr are all town.

Let's play in that world for just a second.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:59 am**

The dumbest thing we did in this game was chop Tim tbh. I wish I could have that back. He was so obviously town during day 2.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:01 am**

Have we humoured the notion that the n1 mafia kill was actually not stopped by Tutuu and in fact was stopped by roleblocker Tim?

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:04 am**

"70-79.9% civilian roleblock...used on Ted N1...yeah I lied"

Maybe Ted carried n1 and Tim stopped the kill?

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:09 am**

Dizzy tracked Ted to Tim. Tim is flipped town confirmed roleblocker on night 1 and acted. He should have roleblocked Ted but Ted moved anyway.

If Ted was strong he'd break the roleblock, but the kill would have gone through.

Obviously mafia have someone carry and then use their normal roles so they can be targeting multiple people.

Tedxtr has no claim that explains why he was able to target in spite of a roleblock. There has been no explanation for this.

My legacy would be to never let Tedxtr see endgame. If we yeet Samu here, regardless of the flip yeet Ted next if I die.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:22 am**

i just cracked open a cold schwepps bitter lemon and it went like sssszzzzzz and then i took a gulp and it was sooo bitter and so cold and so good and my face was like hnnngggghhhh and then i was like khaaaaa and i gasped from enjoyment

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:34 am**

i dont really like using this green color its a bit tiresome to use every post i wanna do the thing like "when ur at rome do like the romans" and mark fluffy posts with green but it makes me feel sad i hope its ok if i dont do this. sorry

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:35 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:43 am Gosh I wish you had cop checked Tedxtr

WOuld have probably been a better check than Wilgy

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:41 am**

I really think tinfoiling me is baffling, particularly when I’ve cleared myself 3 times and I’m about to get town cleared by Poison for the 4th.

But by all means keep doing what you’re doing, if we’re gonna speak different languages just because in your minds I’m less clear than everyone else then proceed.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:42 am**

Like I’m either getting red peeked tomorrow or green peeked by Poison, talking about me is useless.

Talk about other slots.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:48 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:04 am "70-79.9% civilian roleblock...used on Ted N1...yeah I lied"

Maybe Ted carried n1 and Tim stopped the kill?

Yes mate, Dizzy saw me go through with my action

So I strongarmed Tim and he lived

Game’s broken

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:55 am**

If Wilgy’s town then damn, what a lucky roleblock and what unfortunate checks for town. (assuming Dizzy’s town)

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:59 am**

REVISED LIST FROM POST and #7670 and #7743

This was Alison's list that I updated for N3 and now N4. I am missing some people - [mention]Long Con[/mention], [mention]Poison Chan[/mention], and [mention]tedxtr[/mention] I couldn't find yours could you please tell me your N4 action? Please let me know if you see any errors. Red is for dead.
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Alison - Cop (N1 TSP green, N2 nanook green, N3 LC green, N4 Wilgy delayed) Green does not mean they aren't 3P

TSP - X Shot Doctor, 1-Shot Vig (N2 shot JPIC, N3 holster)

Wilgy - Conditional Tracker/Random "Watcher" (N1 one person visited ted, N2 JPIC visited tutuu, N3 - TSP visited by info role, N4 SPF wasn't targeted)

dyachei - Tracker (N1 nanook visited Mac, N2 ted visited nanook, N3 Herm visited MR, N4 holstered)

Dizzy - X Shot Conditional Tracker (N1 ted visited Tim, N2 didn't meet the conditions, N3 Samu visited tutuu, N4 holstered (voted Oddmerta))

juliets - X Shot Non-Civillian, Non-Lethal Rolestopper (N1 Alison, N2 holster, N3 MR, N4 Alison)

Herm - "Song Cop" (N1 Amnesiac no result, N2 Kid A no result, N3 King of Limbs) [Knows mafia role cop is In Rainbows because of Poison]

Long Con - 3 Shot Mutual Voteblocker, N3 targeted Radishes, N4

MacDougal - ??? (Roleclaiming not allowed, but role "isn't strong")

Master Radishes - Universal Backup (N1 protected Alison with nutella's power, N2 checked nanook for vote manipulation with sprityo's power, N3 died)

nanook - Conditional Doublevoter (N1 visited Mac to fulfil his condition, N2 forgot to send in an action, N3 targeted Alison, N4 targeted Alison)

Oddmerta - ??? (Roleclaiming not allowed, but isn't a vigilante)

Poison Chan - Rolecard Investigative (not sure of the specifics, but gets given a role card with alignment and song that exists in the game every night, but isn't told who the role card belongs to)(N1 checked Nude =mafia role cop, N2 checked Codex=full role card, N3 lie detected Dr. Wilgys song claim = true, N4 )

Samusamu - Song Voyeur, can only infodump if you hit no result (N1 no result on Poison Chan, N2 has a result and isn't allowed to infodump it, N3 visits tutuu and sees 2 songs, 1 of which is a mafia song, N4 visits Alison sees 2 songs (3 visited Alison))

SPF - ??? [@staypositivefriend did you make a claim? You're locktown so you don't have to if you don't want to, but if you did let me know and I'll record it.]

tedxtr - Vote Manipulation Nullifier (N1 Tim, N2 nanook, corroborated by trackers, Dizzy N1 and dyachei N2, N3 Nanook, N4 )

Timsup2nothin - Anti-Snowball Scaling PR (N1 roleblocked tedxtr, N2 gets a doublevote, Day 2 dead town)

tutuu - Jailkeeper/Rolestopper (N1 Alison, N2 Hally, N3 attempted Alison power did not go through, N4 Alison)

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:01 am**

Ummm I might have a theory that makes sense if Wilgy / Tim / Dizzy trifecta is all town

Maybe the mafia roleblocker can only block people that claimed their songs.

Tim claimed his song and he got roleblocked, why him over anyone else?

Iirc only people that claimed their songs got roleblocked

Tutuu got blocked only after her song was revealed as Stuck In a Lift or whatever

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:01 am**

I picked Wilgy, juliets

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:04 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:01 am I picked Wilgy, juliets

Thank you ted!

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:04 am**

The only people that we know were blocked by mafia (in a Wilgy / Dizzy town world) would be Tim and tutuu, and their songs were outed.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:07 am**

Tim was roleblocked?

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:10 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:04 am The only people that we know were blocked by mafia (in a Wilgy / Dizzy town world) would be Tim and tutuu, and their songs were outed.

ted, I'm stupid this morning, why does this have to be true only in a Dizzy/Wilgy town world?

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:14 am**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:10 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:04 am The only people that we know were blocked by mafia (in a Wilgy / Dizzy town world) would be Tim and tutuu, and their songs were outed.
ted, I'm stupid this morning, why does this have to be true only in a Dizzy/Wilgy town world?

Wilgy saw only one person on me and if Dizzy is town, they aren’t lying about the track.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:15 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:07 am Tim was roleblocked?

I’m saying the only scenario where he was roleblocked is if both Wilgy and Dizzy are town.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:15 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:14 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:10 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:04 am The only people that we know were blocked by mafia (in a Wilgy / Dizzy town world) would be Tim and tutuu, and their songs were outed.
ted, I'm stupid this morning, why does this have to be true only in a Dizzy/Wilgy town world?
Wilgy saw only one person on me and if Dizzy is town, they aren’t lying about the track.

Oh right of course. Ty.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:18 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:01 am Ummm I might have a theory that makes sense if Wilgy / Tim / Dizzy trifecta is all town

Maybe the mafia roleblocker can only block people that claimed their songs.

Tim claimed his song and he got roleblocked, why him over anyone else?

Iirc only people that claimed their songs got roleblocked

Tutuu got blocked only after her song was revealed as Stuck In a Lift or whatever

thats pretty smart

it must be the avatar

pat pat

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:22 am**

I honestly would just wanna run through the people that can’t claim here if Wilgy is town

Starting with spf

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:22 am**

actually ur a genius ted

im 100% sure u are correct

samu is the conditional role blocker / anti claim roleblocker. so he has more stuff to his role

n2 the only available target to him was tim

n3 the only available target to him was tutuu

n4 he had no available target (he can't consecutively target me)

unless im missing something

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:24 am**

uh no wait hold on

n1 he was on tim, that was his only available target

n2 he had no available target (cant consec tim, and alison revealed the lift song, but he had no way of knowing it was me)

i think i claimed on d3

so on n3 the only avaialble target was me (tim was yeeted)

on n4 no available target (cant consec me)

yeah

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:25 am**

Still, to me Occam’s razor just says that Wilgy is scum but if he were to flip town then that’d probably be a very likely thing. (talking about roleblock)

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:27 am**

oddmerta mafia or 3p for sure dude

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:28 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:27 am oddmerta mafia or 3p for sure dude

Idk if he’s mafia

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:31 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:24 am uh no wait hold on

n1 he was on tim, that was his only available target

n2 he had no available target (cant consec tim, and alison revealed the lift song, but he had no way of knowing it was me)

i think i claimed on d3

so on n3 the only avaialble target was me (tim was yeeted)

on n4 no available target (cant consec me)

yeah

Didn't Wilgy claim his song on Day 4? I'll look it up.

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:31 am**

Wilgy did claim

Curious

Posted: **Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:33 am**

looks like they're the buddies then and odd is the rogue. we done here bois lets go to the beach now n chill

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