Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 11]
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am
like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:55 pma scan of her iso suggested she was the "New Reno or not" cop
Time stamps say all here. TSP KNEW what Nook was asking, had digested it enough to look at DoO's iso, and a few minutes afterwards trying to take 3 HOURS out of the game for people to do things such as "figure out win conditions" (i.e. turn town against town).TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:57 pm I think instead of posting, for three hours today we should all just take a second to read through the setup, figure out our win conditions, figure out our powers, and then come back.
No? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
nearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claimSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 amNo? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
It sounds like you were very cognizant of the situation. Why did you want people to take a 3 hour pause given the information in thread?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:18 amnearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claimSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 amNo? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
Already figured out, and explained in thread. Thanks though.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:21 am at some point you're going to have to figure out how nanook had info on made /without/ me giving him an invention but that's for another time
because I would like other people to be cognizant of the situation presumablySeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 amIt sounds like you were very cognizant of the situation. Why did you want people to take a 3 hour pause given the information in thread?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:18 amnearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claimSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 amNo? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
Are you seriously going with the theory that you knew he should have mech info and tried to slow the game down after he makes a post suggesting that he might have mech info?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:27 am wait are you seriously going with the theory that he made it up
Cognizant of the information that Nook presumably has?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:28 ambecause I would like other people to be cognizant of the situation presumablySeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 amIt sounds like you were very cognizant of the situation. Why did you want people to take a 3 hour pause given the information in thread?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:18 amnearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claimSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 amNo? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
no cognizant of how many shots of their abilities there are and whether or not their alignment needs alison dead and maybe who they areSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:35 amCognizant of the information that Nook presumably has?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:28 ambecause I would like other people to be cognizant of the situation presumablySeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 amIt sounds like you were very cognizant of the situation. Why did you want people to take a 3 hour pause given the information in thread?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:18 amnearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claimSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 amNo? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
Oh I have.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:41 am like I'm not entirely convinced that you have actually read the beginning of day 3 because I feel like the context of that post is abundantly clear and it also clearly has nothing to do with me trying to slow the thread down because I think nanook might have mech info
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:11 pm Like Alison is either New Reno or an evil faction lying about it, so either way I need to kill them, seems interesting
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Hmm that's kind of fair.
Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.
Like for the other factions it's better for me to use it on her
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:21 pmif alison is the slaver then she isn't your enemyDaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Hmm that's kind of fair.
Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.
Like for the other factions it's better for me to use it on her
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:21 pmHow's that so?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.
Slaver isn't the enemy of NCR I believe.
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:53 pm I thought slaver had to die for town to win
nvm then
can check ali tomorrow
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:57 pm I think instead of posting, for three hours today we should all just take a second to read through the setup, figure out our win conditions, figure out our powers, and then come back.
See, weird thing is though, your actions line up with either possiblity,TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:42 am and if I'm a wolf I'd literally have no reason to believe that nanook had mech info but I feel like I already said that
Good try, but no. Your story doesn't check out, sorry about it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:56 am like ok jack's in wolf chat, we've played a billion games, he probably said the way to get TSP chopped is to be belligerent and get him flustered, idk.
There is no indication in thread that anyone is having trouble with the setup... except perhaps DoO.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:06 am you are taking one post where I say that people read the setup and your claim is that if I were town I would instead know that nanook had information and then, instead of encouraging people to read the setup, be completely content with the fact that most people hadn't read the setup and were saying nonsense things
the previous post (literally the exact preceding post) is about rej not understanding, the previous day is about a whole lot of people not understanding.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:09 amThere is no indication in thread that anyone is having trouble with the setup... except perhaps DoO.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:06 am you are taking one post where I say that people read the setup and your claim is that if I were town I would instead know that nanook had information and then, instead of encouraging people to read the setup, be completely content with the fact that most people hadn't read the setup and were saying nonsense things
played minesweeper for literally my entire spring breakTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:58 pmI'm a student. I do a whole lot of things usually, but I go on spring break in two minutes so hopefully I'll have an opportunity to catch up on sleep
given that chop was not frank /and Sean already indicated in the thread that he knew that chop was not frank/ this logic looks outing
this is ... /after/ arguing that we shouldn't chop Alison? Pronoun game and all i guessSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:34 pmOne issue I have is that he seems to have been extremely skeptical of my slots claim, which would maybe make sense if he was what you were thinking, but that doesn't jive with other things he has said. I am still kind of thinking he is just town, but him trying to get us to vote Alison doesn't sit well with me, especially again, with the fact that he probably isn't what you were thinking.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:30 pmJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:27 pm FTR, how long were people holding off on yeeting ChopChop because they thought he might be the only BoS member and ergo locktown?
I figured his role would eventually resolve itself, and it finally has.
i wonder if sean caught onto this way faster than he should have. no discussion of epi's role preceded this.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:39 amI forgot that Alison has a vest, so I give you that, but Epi gets a new power every night, right? And the power is not disclosed to him until he chooses how to "level up", so he doesn't know what ability he will have tonight.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:36 amI think if Epi was aware of having the ability to kill he would've let us know or used it already. But I'm no mech expert. Or maybe he does, and by voting Alison he can safely kill Chop Chop without worrying much about his own wincon because Alison, as the Slaver, has a vest. She'll just eat up the bullet without worry if she hasn't been attacked yet.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:02 amIf Epi gets a kill at some point, he can just kill Alison himself (why would he kill Marmot over Alison here?). It is possible that some hubologists will die just by NK and such, but if there comes a time where it is very clear that Alison needs to die to stop Epi from scumsiding, then we can yeet her then. It makes no sense to do it until that point though when killing her sooner only limits our options.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:56 pm There's also the issue that Epignosis basically has to kill Marmot (if hubologist) if we never yeet Alison.
Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:12 pmI think I know who it is. I need Daisy/sprit targetsMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:11 pm Interesting. So we got Jack + Sprityo + Urist (potentially) + Kylemii as BoS.
There's one scum in there Imo. Maaaybe 2 but I doubt.
I'm eager to hear @Grogu's claim.
Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:12 pmI don’t care about that.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:11 pmDaisy got replaced by Sprityo.
They claimed Brotherhood of Steel as an alignment.
look at that progression
Uh... no.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:41 pm Ok, it is clear based on present information that it was to the advantage of the scum team for chop to get chopped on day 6 and grogu to get chopped on day 7. I think this was clear from the get go, but at least the grogu one was a little more up in the air? Maybe there were worlds where you're concerned that sprityo was a wolf, but even then you give him the opportunity to prove himself with the vig shot, idk. The main person pushing those things in the thread was Sean, and the logic he was used to do so is flawed at best. Now, there are problems with the use of present information to judge past circumstances, but it is clear that me and Urist were arguing for the kills that were optimal for the town and that Sean was arguing for the kills that were optimal for the wolves
this is the only other thing I have to point out about sean's isoSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:30 pm So right now we have:
Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR
Assuming all these are true, this gives us faction sizes of:
Wastelanders - 5
NCR - 3
BoS - 3
Arroyo - 2
Redding - 1
New Reno - 2
Hubologist - 2
JJJ - 1
??? - 1
TSP I think just softclaimed Redding, or if not, he isn't paying attention. If TSP is indeed Redding, then for balance purposes I would say Marmot is definitely clear, and Jack is also probably clear? So in that world, LC is the clear vote, with a very small side of Jack.
If TSP is not redding, then whatever faction he is in I think would need to be examined. LC probably still questionable.
If TSP is Redding, Jack is probably clear... Jack is not clear, ergo...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:58 pmthis is the only other thing I have to point out about sean's isoSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:30 pm So right now we have:
Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR
Assuming all these are true, this gives us faction sizes of:
Wastelanders - 5
NCR - 3
BoS - 3
Arroyo - 2
Redding - 1
New Reno - 2
Hubologist - 2
JJJ - 1
??? - 1
TSP I think just softclaimed Redding, or if not, he isn't paying attention. If TSP is indeed Redding, then for balance purposes I would say Marmot is definitely clear, and Jack is also probably clear? So in that world, LC is the clear vote, with a very small side of Jack.
If TSP is not redding, then whatever faction he is in I think would need to be examined. LC probably still questionable.