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Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:38 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:35 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:31 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:30 pm Actually I guess it's 8 names, including LinearPoint.
I think LinearPoint somewhat cleared themselves. Likely will die to soup kill.
He gave a BPV to alexa, right? Did he claim more to his role?
I think he only claimed the BPV. Would rather not talk much about his claim because of soup but I think that somewhat clears him.
Yeah, just wanted to check, not start a convo.

Of all the mech, it's probably the weakest in terms of 'clearing' imo. Somewhere in the dya/ilario range (for their vig choices).

I think it's a more solid clear than dyachei or ilario.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:40 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:15 pm Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.
I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.
I mean, yeah, we can make a wolf case out of anyone at this point. It's all about construing intentions.

But we're in a good position mech-wise, at least as far as we can tell, and we have a red to chop today, so I don't mind ilario casing the shit out of you like this. It's good to poke and prod at the fringes to see what shakes out. Ideally someone slaps LP about a bit too, for instance. Actually I think if this game is lacking something it's proper cases. People are largely resorting to single-post reads or generic 'I think they're town/scum' without much expansion. I don't mean we need just the conventional iso & analyse, but it might help for people to actually go back into isos and check their assumptions again to challenge or confirm them a bit before repeating the same reads ad nauseum.
"But we're in a good position mech-wise"

Nope. We aren't. If my count is correct, wolves can get up to five soup kills tonight and that'd bring us to 6 v 4 not counting sabie's vig shot.

Okay true. But at least as of right now we've got a good portion of the playerlist cleared. And there's always a chance the wolves mess up the soup, if even one person has fudged their role claim enough.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:41 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:57 am His posting style is just like tsps this game, a lot of one liners that don’t have a lot of nuance or deep thought behind them, no passion in any of their pushes/reads either. This isn’t the Maguncia from last game who was the only town to help hard bury paris. Feels more like the creature who freezes up when he gets hard pushed by ladd, which is kinda like how he froze up when alison pushed him.

Wouldn’t be surprised if him and tsp were having some wolfbro race to see who posts higher

It's not even fair to compare me to TSP in this game. Pretty sure my posts had a lot of solves including evaluating every single major wagon at the first half of day 1. TSP's reads felt very static while mine were more dynamic and changed quite a lot (mostly to no avail because it's hard to find wolves in this game).

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:43 pm**

TSP probably slipped my mind because I thought his play could be comparable to the last mash I played with him where he was town and someone dayvigged him for no reason. It also felt like TSP was very one liney at the time with very weak/non-noticeable reads. That and plus there were players saying TSP was town.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:44 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:15 pm Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.
I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.
I mean, yeah, we can make a wolf case out of anyone at this point. It's all about construing intentions.

But we're in a good position mech-wise, at least as far as we can tell, and we have a red to chop today, so I don't mind ilario casing the shit out of you like this. It's good to poke and prod at the fringes to see what shakes out. Ideally someone slaps LP about a bit too, for instance. Actually I think if this game is lacking something it's proper cases. People are largely resorting to single-post reads or generic 'I think they're town/scum' without much expansion. I don't mean we need just the conventional iso & analyse, but it might help for people to actually go back into isos and check their assumptions again to challenge or confirm them a bit before repeating the same reads ad nauseum.
"But we're in a good position mech-wise"

Nope. We aren't. If my count is correct, wolves can get up to five soup kills tonight and that'd bring us to 6 v 4 not counting sabie's vig shot.
Okay true. But at least as of right now we've got a good portion of the playerlist cleared. And there's always a chance the wolves mess up the soup, if even one person has fudged their role claim enough.

I'm assuming worst-case scenario. I can also see some wolf strategies here I'd rather not tell as that'd only help wolves.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:45 pm**

Yeah 'one-liney' is just TSP regardless of alignment. I think he mimicked his town persona here relatively well. But I know from experience that when you have a somewhat distinct persona, then the mimicry can be sensed by people familiar with you, even when they can't put their finger on why they sense a difference.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:48 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:45 pm Yeah 'one-liney' is just TSP regardless of alignment. I think he mimicked his town persona here relatively well. But I know from experience that when you have a somewhat distinct persona, then the mimicry can be sensed by people familiar with you, even when they can't put their finger on why they sense a difference.

I think I sensed something like that especially when TSP was following me in bad ways, but I ignored that because I felt like his weak one-liners were also present in that other game where he was town. The difference is that in that other game I could tell he was town and here I was mostly peer pressured into believing TSP is town.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:48 pm**

Should also note that the soup chef is outed the morning after. So worst case scenario we go 6 v 4, but actually we'll know one more, which gives us one more piece of intel to triangulate.

I'm feeling strangely optimistic. That worries me.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:49 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:48 pm Should also note that the soup chef is outed the morning after. So worst case scenario we go 6 v 4, but actually we'll know one more, which gives us one more piece of intel to triangulate.

I'm feeling strangely optimistic. That worries me.

The soup chef isn't outed if all their guesses are correct.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:50 pm**

Oh I didn't read that part.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:50 pm**

I think I should probably submit a walrus song because it's better to prevent wolves from getting the event prize.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm**

I've not done any of the event stuff yet.

What kind of music does Nanook like?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm**

Wolves must've won poetry since we've heard nothing about it, right?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm**

I am working my late rn, and tomorrow i got a morning shift. So that's literally work, drive home, sleep, drive to work, work, and then later I got time. It is not like we are very divided over today's lynch. For once.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm I am working my late rn, and tomorrow i got a morning shift. So that's literally work, drive home, sleep, drive to work, work, and then later I got time. It is not like we are very divided over today's lynch. For once.

My late shift* rn

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:52 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm I've not done any of the event stuff yet.

What kind of music does Nanook like?

idk just submitted a song I personally find a masterpiece. Not sure if Nanook has the same taste.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:53 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm Wolves must've won poetry since we've heard nothing about it, right?

None of the two prizes were claimed. Kinda afraid they won two nightvigs.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:53 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:53 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm Wolves must've won poetry since we've heard nothing about it, right?
None of the two prizes were claimed. Kinda afraid they won two nightvigs.

Actually TSP is claiming one of the prizes.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:55 pm**

I've had so little time for college lately

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:57 pm**

I don't get why Paopan would claim protective role as wolf here. I'd probably save them to post-soup massclaim.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:00 pm**

Unfortunately I could see scum saving their soup until they feel they can reach parity from it

I regret what I outed yesterday, I'm sorry, that was bad/impulsive but moving on. No one else should claim anything related to their role

Also pretty sure my music taste is nothing like Nook's

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:01 pm**

I have no idea what Nanook's music taste is.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:02 pm**

I'm really afraid wolves can win through prizes alone.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:06 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:02 pm I'm really afraid wolves can win through prizes alone.

I fail to see the point of worrying about these kinds of things

It detracts from solving, and adds thread despair.

Town are entering the contests as well. I don't believe our chances are any better or worse

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:06 pm**

Has town ever forfeit when still 16 players alive in the thread?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:07 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm Wolves must've won poetry since we've heard nothing about it, right?

tony said he won it i thought? hence the random poetry spam?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:08 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:00 pm Unfortunately I could see scum saving their soup until they feel they can reach parity from it

I regret what I outed yesterday, I'm sorry, that was bad/impulsive but moving on. No one else should claim anything related to their role

Also pretty sure my music taste is nothing like Nook's

I claim as Hydra

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:08 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:02 pm I'm really afraid wolves can win through prizes alone.
I fail to see the point of worrying about these kinds of things

It detracts from solving, and adds thread despair.

Town are entering the contests as well. I don't believe our chances are any better or worse

So far feels like we failed the poetry event

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:09 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:06 pm Has town ever forfeit when still 16 players alive in the thread?

It's not even possible to forfeit as town but I've seen town lose with more players alive.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:10 pm**

I keep seeing DrWilgy pop up in the online list. Why?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:12 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:53 am The final GTH. I'm going to bed and likely won't be up. Orange I'm unsure of, but if forced would say red. Think of them as backups if I'm wrong about the others.

112
alexa
Belzy
c4e5g3d5
Creature
DrWilgy
dyachei
falcon45ca
Guillotine
hollowkatt
ilario
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Master Radishes
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
sabie12
sig
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:14 pm**

Could JPIC moan about being cqlled a wolf as wolf?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:21 pm**

Yeah I don't think I have the time for this game. We might even end up losing tonight.

Incase we don't I'd rather not be screwing things up.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:23 pm**

If we're sure alexa is town I believe she has the better POE.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:31 pm**

Guess I'm getting to Mac wolf.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:36 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:31 pm Guess I'm getting to Mac wolf.

i can assure you that we are not a wolf, creature

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:17 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:10 pm I keep seeing DrWilgy pop up in the online list. Why?

Probably because I'm glancing at the thread trying to catch up again before getting pulled away to other things.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:28 pm**

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:07 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:51 pm Wolves must've won poetry since we've heard nothing about it, right?
tony said he won it i thought? hence the random poetry spam?

Honestly I've not been reading TSP's posts much.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:38 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:23 pm If we're sure alexa is town I believe she has the better POE.

TBH idk how good my POE is right now. i mean, i believe it broadly, but it's basically just a POE of non-mech clears

Mech:
alexa
Belzy
dyachei
falcon45ca
ilario
LinearPoint
Porscha

No Mech/Unconfirmed:
Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Master Radishes
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei
^
So half of these people are wolves. GTH I would cut out MR/you and narrow it down to 6 names that contain 4 wolves, but I want to look at Waza's case

TonyStarkPrime

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:39 pm**

Oh, there's mech on MR anyway

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:40 pm**

No Mech/Unconfirmed:
Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei

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Need to narrow this down to 4.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:41 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:40 pm No Mech/Unconfirmed:
Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei

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Need to narrow this down to 4.

Why have you eliminated LinearPoint?

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:41 pm**

is it too soon to read TSP for spew? he essentially gave up so

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:42 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:40 pm No Mech/Unconfirmed:
Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei

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Need to narrow this down to 4.
Why have you eliminated LinearPoint?

because they claimed to give me a vest, which got hit. that wouldn't make sense if they're a wolf. unless someone else who is hiding actually did.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:42 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:41 pm is it too soon to read TSP for spew? he essentially gave up so

Nope. I’d say it’s a good idea to start that today.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:43 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:40 pm No Mech/Unconfirmed:
Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12
Sloonei

---

Need to narrow this down to 4.
Why have you eliminated LinearPoint?
because they claimed to give me a vest, which got hit. that wouldn't make sense if they're a wolf. unless someone else who is hiding actually did.

Nice. I like it. I can roll with that.

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:45 pm**

there could be 1-2 wolves in the people i'm "meching" if wolves don't soup soon. but for now, i'm rolling with it.

i just wish we had a day vig so today wasn't a huge slump

please @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME help us

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:51 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:00 am Oh I found it.

I was gonna say things on Belzy. Hmm. Do we know what 'toxic' means w.r.t. that role?

No, that part was [REDACTED] from my report

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:00 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:58 am
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:18 am I read Mac iso for the way he treats creature and it's really bizarre
can u point to specifics? i can see them being w/w tbh

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:38 am so if tsp flips mafia Creature is an outed wolf that's nice to know

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:40 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:39 am Creature is powerwolfing. But it's okay.
It's still manageable
I doubt it

this transition was something i'd noted as weird AF

Posted: **Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:01 pm**

if illario is right (which I think is a possibility) on Mac/Creature I don't think they work with sabie. They would fit much better as wolves shielding/TMIing her

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