The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:21 pm**

I don't know if you're right yet, Epi. I shall go look. And yeah....fuck beets. I will never again eat one of those.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:22 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Unpopular as this may be, I would argue that Eloh is bad now.

I've been having quite a sinister feeling about AP for a while now. I could believe it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:23 pm**

Hi Eloh!

What do you think of JJJ's case on me?

Since you were gung-ho on lynching Quin... I think it makes him more likely to be Civ, that you were allowed back. I feel like, if Quin were bad, and the baddies killed you to ease tyhe pressure on him, it would be in poor taste to bring you back immediately. A Person certainly wasn't after Quin.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:24 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Unpopular as this may be, I would argue that Eloh is bad now.

Why would you argue this?

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:24 pm**

My thinking has to do with how Eloh came in with the somebody has been blocked business. Now she gets killed because duh. It's only fair if she replaces in to put her on the bad team.

Also, if you're bad, would you be okay letting somebody you killed sub back in?

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:24 pm**

It's why I no longer let night killed people sub back in. A lynched person on Day 1 or 2 might be different, but never a night killed person.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:25 pm**

It's additionally bad because, if all civilians win together, and you let a dead civilian sub in for mafia, and mafia loses, the civilian loses out on a win. No bueno. That's actually happened to me.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:26 pm**

That's actually what happened to me in another game. Not here.

Just to be clear.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:30 pm**

Long Con wrote:Hi Eloh!

What do you think of JJJ's case on me?

Since you were gung-ho on lynching Quin... I think it makes him more likely to be Civ, that you were allowed back. I feel like, if Quin were bad, and the baddies killed you to ease tyhe pressure on him, it would be in poor taste to bring you back immediately. A Person certainly wasn't after Quin.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It was the host that decided to bring me back, not the baddies. And l still think quin has a good chance of being bad based on the same things I said before. I considered your three options as elo 1.0 and feel the exact same as elo 2.0. why does me coming back make him look more civ... Please explain better.

And jjjs case on to? Honey, I always think you seem bad so I just put it out of my mind and try to ignore you until I am further into the game, just being totally honest.

Linking...I understand epi, but I don't think it affects the game at all that I am back in this time.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:32 pm**

Uh...huh. I see, Epi, go on... *tries frantically to hit the Vote Epi button without looking or seeming off*

But seriously... your reasoning sounds a lot like mine, just expanded out from a Quin-focus.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:32 pm**

I follow your logic, Epi. If she was informed in her past life, then it'd be harder to justify bringing her back as a civilian.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:33 pm**

This is very similar to my argument that Dom was bad after subbing back in during A Mafia of Unfortunate Events.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:34 pm**

It's a matter of whether Elohcin 1.0 was being honest in this post:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin 2.0: I would recommend checking with Mongoose before commenting on anything about your past self.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:34 pm**

A Person doesn't like Mafia by the way. He even likes being bad less. He's a socialist Glorfindel. So there's that too.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:35 pm**

Long Con wrote:This is very similar to my argument that Dom was bad after subbing back in during A Mafia of Unfortunate Events.

Could you expand on this comparison? I checked the game but I'm not sure what Dom's second role was.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:37 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a matter of whether Elohcin 1.0 was being honest in this post:

Spoiler: show
Elohcin wrote:I'm back for a few while fish sticks are in the oven. Yes...fish sticks for breakfast, my daughter is weird.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:If Eloh role blocked me, but Boomslang's survival was the result of a doctor protection, it would probably mean Elohcin calling me out wasn't an attempt at a frame job. That would make her civilian. Any reason I shouldn't think this?
If all of these assumptions are granted, sure. I'm not certain we have the data necessary to just call Elohcin a roleblocker (for either faction). She emerged into this day phase with two primary comments of relevance:

1. Appreciative of my reviewing of the progression of votes on Day 1, which included a lengthy description of Quin emerging looking less than stellar.

2. She is suspicious of Quin.

My inclination is to tie these together -- she agreed with the concerns I expressed about Quin's vote and expressed suspicion accordingly. Elohcin, please correct me if this is not accurate.
You are 100% accurate in this. And then there was this which furthered my suspicion.

Quin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Yay! No kill. I guess the kill was blocked.

I know I haven;t been here much, but I have been following along today and I think JJJ's summary of the votes on Day 1 was nicely detailed enough to catch me up. I have an idea of someone I think could be bad. Quin. His vote, his sneaky tone, and the fact that his defenses haven't sounded genuine to me.
So it was you, huh?
Whether I am a roleblocker or not...I will not say. But this reaction is alarming to me. If I were caught up, I would be voting Quin right now. But I feel I should at least catch up before voting.
Elohcin 2.0: I would recommend checking with Mongoose before commenting on anything about your past self.

I can confirm that our daughter ate fishsticks that morning for breakfast. I don't mind fish for breakfast, but fishsticks?

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:41 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:This is very similar to my argument that Dom was bad after subbing back in during A Mafia of Unfortunate Events.
Could you expand on this comparison? I checked the game but I'm not sure what Dom's second role was.

I insisted Dom had to be on the bad team because he was a lie detector role that had two nights of possible lie detection before getting lynched, and then replacing in. My argument (at the core) was that he couldn't return with the knowledge advantage unless he was a baddie. He replaced a Civ.

I'm not trying to argue that Eloh is a Civ. I still stand by my logic, which is similar to Epi's logic. It just turned out that Dom's Host disagreed with that logic.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:47 pm**

Long Con wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:This is very similar to my argument that Dom was bad after subbing back in during A Mafia of Unfortunate Events.
Could you expand on this comparison? I checked the game but I'm not sure what Dom's second role was.
I insisted Dom had to be on the bad team because he was a lie detector role that had two nights of possible lie detection before getting lynched, and then replacing in. My argument (at the core) was that he couldn't return with the knowledge advantage unless he was a baddie. He replaced a Civ.

I'm not trying to argue that Eloh is a Civ. I still stand by my logic, which is similar to Epi's logic. It just turned out that Dom's Host disagreed with that logic.

I see. If I recall (my memory is limited as the MoD of that game), DFaraday let it happen because Dom didn't actually learn anything with his role. I'm not sure about that though. You're right that the validity of this logic does depend upon the mindset of the host. Mongoose may not operate the way Epignosis or you or I would.

I hope this doesn't come across as critical, Mongoose. That's not my intent. It's been a great game!

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:48 pm**

Regardless of this angle, I think Elohcin 2.0 is a valid enough suspect purely because of her predecessor.

A Person did nothing in GY!BE either, but he at least complained about the high posters. This time he just goofed off.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:49 pm**

The job of the civilian is to consider all information available, including host actions. Eloh subbing back in after a night kill falls into that, and is fair game for discussion. I myself am suspicion of that at face value.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:50 pm**

Epignosis wrote:The job of the civilian is to consider all information available, including host actions. Eloh subbing back in after a night kill falls into that, and is fair game for discussion. I myself am suspicion of that at face value.

*suspicious

Jesus

I need a new keyboard.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:57 pm**

Not lynching (no particular order):
Boomslang
Epignosis
Metalmarsh89
nijuukyugou
Sorsha
Quin

Candidates with posts (ordered from least-to-most suspicious):
thellama73
Scotty
insertnamehere
Long Con

Candidates without posts (ordered from least-to-most suspicious):
MovingPictures07/Spacedaisy
Made
A Person/Elohcin 2.0
DrWilgy

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:01 am**

Why not nijuu?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:04 am**

Long Con wrote:Why not nijuu?

I still feel solidly about this:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:nijuukyuogou

Spoiler: show
nijuukyugou wrote:Like in Legend of Zelda Mafia?

Anyway, I'm pointing these fingers at llama, but I don't intend to vote for him today. Why? Because a) I'm majorly disinclined to vote for people participating in the beginning (I've mentioned my reasons for this in like the past five games I've played) and b) I'm not at the suspicion point with him - I'm just indicating that this is not necessarily civ behavior from him, and he should be watched.

Other thoughts:

- MM doesn't get frustrated like he is currently. Won't vote for him. Dude gets voted out Days 1 constantly.
- Liking Epi's points on DDL. Hypocritical, and not posting much (and hardly anything of substance). May very well vote that way.
- Not agreeing with llama's assertions on Sorsha at this moment, or especially others latching on. Give a joke post, get a joke post. I don't really see the baddiness.
- Want to vote a low/non-poster. But not Made. Haven't played with that dude for too long. Where is MP? Weeeeeeird.

Okay, I'm getting rambly. And hungry. And in need of human interaction. And beer. Gonna vote DDL and see what happens.
Her DDL vote was 1st of 5, placed when llama was at 2 votes. To this point a few people had expressed interest in Epi's suspicion of DDL, but niju was the first to act on it and I think that's a good thing for her. She set the circumstances to allow the momentum to roll in the ultimately correct direction.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:07 am**

I stand by my thinking that Eloh 1.0 was a role blocker, and that her gripe against me is because of what she did with that role. Whatever she knows has been brought into the open by this point, so we're essentially on an even playing field, I think.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:11 am**

But what if Eloh1.0 did block the doctor last night and thats why she ended up dying? Isn't it unfair to the doctor that the mafia team might have a clue as to who s/he is?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:15 am**

Sorsha wrote:But what if Eloh1.0 did block the doctor last night and thats why she ended up dying? Isn't it unfair to the doctor that the mafia team might have a clue as to who s/he is?

If she blocked the doctor, I don't see how that could provide any sort of clue at all. She wouldn't know that she was being protected, so she wouldn't have any sort of advantage if she subbed in as a baddie.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:26 am**

I would really appreciate some feedback on my LC case from someone other than LC. I am pulling my hairs out.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:31 am**

Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:What's everyone's favorite soda? I like anything with spices or herbs in it along with a fruit flavor, especially citrus. Blood Orange and Sicilian Lemon are two of my faves.
Beer.

And there's about to be hell to pay.

I'm with you on both accounts, mainly the beer though.

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FYI: I earned a lynch immunity on the canine carrier express. We are allowed to discuss prizes. It is active today and only today. Do not waste your votes on me. I'll be back later.
Very good. I earned a Day phase lie detection.

I earned a high five.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Fuck beets.
Right on brotha!

You both can go to hell.

Long Con wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FYI: I earned a lynch immunity on the canine carrier express. We are allowed to discuss prizes. It is active today and only today. Do not waste your votes on me. I'll be back later.
You're lying. You didn't activate the lynch immunity last night. You get more value from it by making us believe it's active now, then you activate it in the future without saying anything.

Now you reply with false bravado and invite us to try and lynch you.

I'd like to lynch you. I hear you've got some new cool things that are going to convince everyone I'm bad first though.

I thought about asking Jay why he (as a civilian) would put such a huge target on his back, but decided not to.

Elohcin wrote:I don't know if you're right yet, Epi. I shall go look. And yeah....fuck beets. I will never again eat one of those.

And you can go to hell too.

Epignosis wrote:My thinking has to do with how Eloh came in with the somebody has been blocked business. Now she gets killed because duh. It's only fair if she replaces in to put her on the bad team.

Also, if you're bad, would you be okay letting somebody you killed sub back in?

Isn't that the host's discretion, not the baddie team's?

Linki: I'll come back to your case.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:32 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
I hope this doesn't come across as critical, Mongoose. That's not my intent. It's been a great game!

Not at all, carry on!

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:37 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I thought about asking Jay why he (as a civilian) would put such a huge target on his back, but decided not to.

You kind of just did.

I rarely give a shit about "putting a target on my back". If you mean I am making myself vulnerable to a night kill, I am perfectly okay with that. Given that I was this || close to being lynched yesterday, parlaying that into a night kill instead would be a decent recovery. I don't think my continued survival is a critical condition for a civilian victory.

I'm hoping that players can observe my transparency here, and at least for a minute put the tinfoil down, to consider that I am deliberately using an immunity today and encouraging people to vote elsewhere because I am a civilian. Otherwise I accomplish nothing other than delaying my own lynch while simultaneously increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched instead of me today.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:38 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I thought about asking Jay why he (as a civilian) would put such a huge target on his back, but decided not to.
You kind of just did.

I rarely give a shit about "putting a target on my back". If you mean I am making myself vulnerable to a night kill, I am perfectly okay with that. Given that I was this || close to being lynched yesterday, parlaying that into a night kill instead would be a decent recovery. I don't think my continued survival is a critical condition for a civilian victory.

I'm hoping that players can observe my transparency here, and at least for a minute put the tinfoil down, to consider that I am deliberately using an immunity today and encouraging people to vote elsewhere because I am a civilian. Otherwise I accomplish nothing other than delaying my own lynch while simultaneously increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched instead of me today.

You said during the night you wanted to make your case when you got to a computer. That was my point.

You've said your piece now, so if you're a civilian, what does it matter?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:39 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You said during the night you wanted to make your case when you got to a computer. That was my point.

You've said your piece now, so if you're a civilian, what does it matter?

I am confused by your question. I made my case when I got to a computer and separately used/revealed my immunity. Could you clarify your meaning?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:43 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm hoping that players can observe my transparency here, and at least for a minute put the tinfoil down, to consider that I am deliberately using an immunity today and encouraging people to vote elsewhere because I am a civilian. Otherwise I accomplish nothing other than delaying my own lynch while simultaneously increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched instead of me today.

How are you "increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched"?

If you are talking of civilian teammates, you've already said you're immune. How does that risk the lynch of a civilian?

If you are talking of mafia teammates, well please tell us who all of your teammates are so we can follow through.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:46 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You said during the night you wanted to make your case when you got to a computer. That was my point.

You've said your piece now, so if you're a civilian, what does it matter?
I am confused by your question. I made my case when I got to a computer and separately used/revealed my immunity. Could you clarify your meaning?

You said during the night "I will make my case when I get to a computer". That's prime pickings for mafia to nightkill you before you get the chance to do so.

But you've gotten to a computer and made your case. The target's off your back, so what does it matter that I talk about it?

That sort of thing has happened to me before, so I am surprised a civilian Jay wouldn't be nightkilled in this situation.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:46 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm hoping that players can observe my transparency here, and at least for a minute put the tinfoil down, to consider that I am deliberately using an immunity today and encouraging people to vote elsewhere because I am a civilian. Otherwise I accomplish nothing other than delaying my own lynch while simultaneously increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched instead of me today.
How are you "increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched"?

If you are talking of civilian teammates, you've already said you're immune. How does that risk the lynch of a civilian?

If you are talking of mafia teammates, well please tell us who all of your teammates are so we can follow through.

The "otherwise" in that sentence refers to the hypothetical alternative scenario where it's a mafioso JJJ doing what I've done today. If I am a mafioso and employ my immunity in this way, then by telling everyone that I accomplish little other than delaying my own lynch while increasing the likelihood of a teammate being lynched instead of me today. That creates the potential for two baddies to be lynched instead of just me, and that's not a sensible gamble.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:48 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You said during the night you wanted to make your case when you got to a computer. That was my point.

You've said your piece now, so if you're a civilian, what does it matter?
I am confused by your question. I made my case when I got to a computer and separately used/revealed my immunity. Could you clarify your meaning?
You said during the night "I will make my case when I get to a computer". That's prime pickings for mafia to nightkill you before you get the chance to do so.

But you've gotten to a computer and made your case. The target's off your back, so what does it matter that I talk about it?

That sort of thing has happened to me before, so I am surprised a civilian Jay wouldn't be nightkilled in this situation.

Oh I see. Yeah, I don't give a damn about being night killed. If I had been night killed last night it would have been a victory. I had just received 6 votes and nearly been lynched; the vast majority of players in that situation do not get killed.

I don't know what you mean by "what does it matter that I talk about it?" -- I think you're a civilian, and your semi-question provided me with a prompt to further explain my mindset.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:49 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm hoping that players can observe my transparency here, and at least for a minute put the tinfoil down, to consider that I am deliberately using an immunity today and encouraging people to vote elsewhere because I am a civilian. Otherwise I accomplish nothing other than delaying my own lynch while simultaneously increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched instead of me today.
How are you "increasing the risk of a teammate being lynched"?

If you are talking of civilian teammates, you've already said you're immune. How does that risk the lynch of a civilian?

If you are talking of mafia teammates, well please tell us who all of your teammates are so we can follow through.

The "otherwise" in that sentence refers to the hypothetical alternative scenario where it's a mafioso JJJ doing what I've done today. If I am a mafioso and employ my immunity in this way, then by telling everyone that I accomplish little other than delaying my own lynch while increasing the likelihood of a teammate being lynched instead of me today. That creates the potential for two baddies to be lynched instead of just me, and that's not a sensible gamble.

I misunderstood.

I thought the otherwise was referring to the situation where we don't put the tinfoil down and lynch you anyway, as opposed to believing your sincerity.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:52 am**

Well we can't lynch Quin, probably can't lynch Jay, might as well move onto other things for now.

DrWilgy gets my vote if he doesn't name three suspects by the deadline (I mean that in the nicest way possible).

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:54 am**

I voted JJJ... this funky daytime rumble deserves a shakeup. If you agree that he's bad and lying about unlynchability, join me!

Or, vote Wilgy. That's cool too in my books.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:10 am**

Long Con, in however many words you like:

Why am I bad?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:12 am**

Everyone else:

Why is Long Con a civilian?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:16 am**

Hey, sorry I've been gone. Getting ready for the new semester (along with Wilgette's parents visiting) has made me busier than expected.

I'm going to skim rq and post thoughts.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:32 am**

Long Con wrote:I voted JJJ... this funky daytime rumble deserves a shakeup. If you agree that he's bad and lying about unlynchability, join me!

Or, vote Wilgy. That's cool too in my books.

You didn't answer me earlier as to why you'd think he's lying... maybe if you were clearer about why you think that.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:40 am**

DrWilgy wrote:Hey, sorry I've been gone. Getting ready for the new semester (along with Wilgette's parents visiting) has made me busier than expected.

I'm going to skim rq and post thoughts.

Are they as adorable as she is?

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:43 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, in however many words you like:

Why am I bad?

Find out next time on Baddies Say the Darndest Things!

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:51 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, in however many words you like:

Why am I bad?
Find out next time on Baddies Say the Darndest Things!

How about some feedback on LC? I feel like I am being ignored, including by people I trust, and it's driving me insane.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:04 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, in however many words you like:

Why am I bad?
Find out next time on Baddies Say the Darndest Things!
How about some feedback on LC? I feel like I am being ignored, including by people I trust, and it's driving me insane.

I'm going to bed, but I recommend you watch the film, Life of Marmot, where the protagonist encounters similar struggles, and continues to search for ways to overcome them.

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:07 am**

Posted: **Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:18 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, in however many words you like:

Why am I bad?
Find out next time on Baddies Say the Darndest Things!
How about some feedback on LC? I feel like I am being ignored, including by people I trust, and it's driving me insane.

I don't mean to be ignoring it. I did read it, I just disagree that LC is bad and posting from a phone doesn't really let me go point by point and say why I think you're wrong.

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