The Syndicate

Roxy wrote:RIP Snow Dog you were one of the few I trusted b/c of how we were both left uncovered since I replaced in.


llama and anyone else who has doubts - Again for the millionth time I could not be a recruit or Bob b/c I have been left uncovered on Day one and no one died. I was left uncovered day 2 and no one died. I was left uncovered on Day 3 but already proven I was not the recruit because it was not a recruit day again until today.

So to clearly lay it out:
Recruit happened D 0 - although not host confirmed
I was left uncovered Day 1 - non recruit day
No one died night one
Day 2 - recruit happened
I was left uncovered no one died
Day 3 - non recruit day
I was left uncovered - so were others so one of them has to be the recruit.
Day 4 - recruit day as of yet I am not recruited

Linky - really MP!?

But you could be Bob, right?

Snow Dog wrote:I am still strongly feeling Vompatti and BWT as recruited or one of them Bob. Anyone care to comment on this?

If I were Bob (and I'm not) I wouldn't recruit me.

I think I have the screen shot on my phone. Let me check.

Wow that was hard. I had saved it as a screen shot on my phone and couldn't find where it auto saves then had to figure out how to get it tomy iPad...

Matahari wrote:

Roxy wrote:RIP Snow Dog you were one of the few I trusted b/c of how we were both left uncovered since I replaced in.


llama and anyone else who has doubts - Again for the millionth time I could not be a recruit or Bob b/c I have been left uncovered on Day one and no one died. I was left uncovered day 2 and no one died. I was left uncovered on Day 3 but already proven I was not the recruit because it was not a recruit day again until today.

So to clearly lay it out:
Recruit happened D 0 - although not host confirmed
I was left uncovered Day 1 - non recruit day
No one died night one
Day 2 - recruit happened
I was left uncovered no one died
Day 3 - non recruit day
I was left uncovered - so were others so one of them has to be the recruit.
Day 4 - recruit day as of yet I am not recruited

Linky - really MP!?

But you could be Bob, right?

This.

I don't understand why I got such a response from Rox; I am certainly not heartily advocating her lynch. It's just a possibility, among more than a few. I think we need to catch someone who has likelihood of Bob or recruit probably.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Roxy wrote:RIP Snow Dog you were one of the few I trusted b/c of how we were both left uncovered since I replaced in.


llama and anyone else who has doubts - Again for the millionth time I could not be a recruit or Bob b/c I have been left uncovered on Day one and no one died. I was left uncovered day 2 and no one died. I was left uncovered on Day 3 but already proven I was not the recruit because it was not a recruit day again until today.

So to clearly lay it out:
Recruit happened D 0 - although not host confirmed
I was left uncovered Day 1 - non recruit day
No one died night one
Day 2 - recruit happened
I was left uncovered no one died
Day 3 - non recruit day
I was left uncovered - so were others so one of them has to be the recruit.
Day 4 - recruit day as of yet I am not recruited

Linky - really MP!?

But you could be Bob, right?

This.

I don't understand why I got such a response from Rox; I am certainly not heartily advocating her lynch. It's just a possibility, among more than a few. I think we need to catch someone who has likelihood of Bob or recruit probably.

You think? Lol

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Roxy wrote:RIP Snow Dog you were one of the few I trusted b/c of how we were both left uncovered since I replaced in.


llama and anyone else who has doubts - Again for the millionth time I could not be a recruit or Bob b/c I have been left uncovered on Day one and no one died. I was left uncovered day 2 and no one died. I was left uncovered on Day 3 but already proven I was not the recruit because it was not a recruit day again until today.

So to clearly lay it out:
Recruit happened D 0 - although not host confirmed
I was left uncovered Day 1 - non recruit day
No one died night one
Day 2 - recruit happened
I was left uncovered no one died
Day 3 - non recruit day
I was left uncovered - so were others so one of them has to be the recruit.
Day 4 - recruit day as of yet I am not recruited

Linky - really MP!?

But you could be Bob, right?

This.

I don't understand why I got such a response from Rox; I am certainly not heartily advocating her lynch. It's just a possibility, among more than a few. I think we need to catch someone who has likelihood of Bob or recruit probably.

You think? Lol

Lol, yes, I realize that was poorly worded. I am saying I believe it would be better to try and lynch someone who seems like they could be either option, rather than just a recruit.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Roxy wrote:RIP Snow Dog you were one of the few I trusted b/c of how we were both left uncovered since I replaced in.


llama and anyone else who has doubts - Again for the millionth time I could not be a recruit or Bob b/c I have been left uncovered on Day one and no one died. I was left uncovered day 2 and no one died. I was left uncovered on Day 3 but already proven I was not the recruit because it was not a recruit day again until today.

So to clearly lay it out:
Recruit happened D 0 - although not host confirmed
I was left uncovered Day 1 - non recruit day
No one died night one
Day 2 - recruit happened
I was left uncovered no one died
Day 3 - non recruit day
I was left uncovered - so were others so one of them has to be the recruit.
Day 4 - recruit day as of yet I am not recruited

Linky - really MP!?

But you could be Bob, right?

This.

I don't understand why I got such a response from Rox; I am certainly not heartily advocating her lynch. It's just a possibility, among more than a few. I think we need to catch someone who has likelihood of Bob or recruit probably.

Yeah, I have to agree here.

RIP Snowy, that sucks

No one is considering Russ?

I am, he pops in and pops out. Enough to be "here", but not enough to leave an impressionm good or bad.

yeah, i would consider him

So there is a possibility of at one (maybe 2) recruits in those that were left open.

It s

Vomps
Rusti
Teeth

Thoughts on the 3?

Vomps or Russ, possible. I have not seen anything to suspect from BWT.

I'd rather go russ than vomps. Got better vibes from him thus far.

Mata, roxy? Thoughts on russ?

Roxy wrote:So there is a possibility of at one (maybe 2) recruits in those that were left open.

It s

Vomps
Rusti
Teeth

Thoughts on the 3?

I'm fine with any of those. I find it weird S~V~S has been continuously vouching for BWT and she vouches back and forth with Kate; does anyone have any ideas here, have I missed something? I'm thinking SVS is not Bob or recruited, but this I don't understand.

Kate, you have better vibes from Vomps than Russ, why? I'm reading them both pretty similarly.

Mp, I don't understand how anyone can be sure of anything where bob is concerned. How can you rule anyone out at this point, from being bob, I mean? For that matter I don't see how anyone could be likely to be bob either.

The only way I can even begin to think of how to ferret out bob is by trying to see who has been 'directing ' the lynch votes. Someone with a more analytical mind than me might be able to put things together that way.

Matahari wrote:Mp, I don't understand how anyone can be sure of anything where bob is concerned. How can you rule anyone out at this point, from being bob, I mean? For that matter I don't see how anyone could be likely to be bob either.

The only way I can even begin to think of how to ferret out bob is by trying to see who has been 'directing ' the lynch votes. Someone with a more analytical mind than me might be able to put things together that way.

You can't really rule anyone from being Bob when it comes to covered v. uncovered, you're right, and I think that's the problem. Even then, as llama pointed out, we have two groups of four with one recruit on each side. I was kind of hoping one side would have two, but it is what it is.

I am saying strictly from a ping/read point of view, who seems likely to be Bob. That's a point regarding directing the votes. As I pointed out earlier, I did notice Kate has been leading the pack with lynch votes, and somehow Nevinera and BF (now you) were lynched after those were the two people I mentioned way earlier in the game. On the flipside, I don't think Kate has seemed particularly baddie-intentioned at all. And then here's another problem, what if Bob isn't even directing the lynch votes?

Maybe I'll try to take some time later tonight and go back and read some stuff. I've been studying off and on, but at some point I'll get too tired, so I'll probably try to do it then. I am fine with the three candidates that are being thrown around in recent discussion, but I am now starting to wonder if I'm being manipulated in that direction when we should be looking elsewhere. This game is truly a mindfuck in that regard.

All that I do know is that (1) I'm civvie and not recruited,(2) my gut reads on people, as well as (3) the analysis that llama summarized before (where one recruit has to be in each group of four people).

Looking at the player list, I find it hard to say I really trust anyone at all, but I'd like to trust certain people over others. I don't know. I think we need to have plenty of discussion before the vote is over, that's for sure.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:So there is a possibility of at one (maybe 2) recruits in those that were left open.

It s

Vomps
Rusti
Teeth

Thoughts on the 3?

I'm fine with any of those. I find it weird S~V~S has been continuously vouching for BWT and she vouches back and forth with Kate; does anyone have any ideas here, have I missed something? I'm thinking SVS is not Bob or recruited, but this I don't understand.

Kate, you have better vibes from Vomps than Russ, why? I'm reading them both pretty similarly.

I am not vouching for Kate~ I think based on my real knowledge of her, that she would not do as she did with Nev as a baddie. That is all I have said; I have said it forcefully, and often, but that is all I have said. And based on his behavior in contrast to his behavior in Mac G, I would be astonished if BWT was a baddie (although subsequent recruitment cannot be ruled out for any of us). But as of his last few posts, yeah, i thought he was a civvie.

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:So there is a possibility of at one (maybe 2) recruits in those that were left open.

It s

Vomps
Rusti
Teeth

Thoughts on the 3?

I'm fine with any of those. I find it weird S~V~S has been continuously vouching for BWT and she vouches back and forth with Kate; does anyone have any ideas here, have I missed something? I'm thinking SVS is not Bob or recruited, but this I don't understand.

Kate, you have better vibes from Vomps than Russ, why? I'm reading them both pretty similarly.

I am not vouching for Kate~ I think based on my real knowledge of her, that she would not do as she did with Nev as a baddie. That is all I have said; I have said it forcefully, and often, but that is all I have said. And based on his behavior in contrast to his behavior in Mac G, I would be astonished if BWT was a baddie (although subsequent recruitment cannot be ruled out for any of us). But as of his last few posts, yeah, i thought he was a civvie.

Thanks for clarifying on both counts.

frankly, I'm going to point out the obvious. The less said by the innocent, the better. Or, to say it differently, if you are not guilty of being Bob or a recruit, wait until close to lynch time to cast your vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:So there is a possibility of at one (maybe 2) recruits in those that were left open.

It s

Vomps
Rusti
Teeth

Thoughts on the 3?

I'm fine with any of those. I find it weird S~V~S has been continuously vouching for BWT and she vouches back and forth with Kate; does anyone have any ideas here, have I missed something? I'm thinking SVS is not Bob or recruited, but this I don't understand.

Kate, you have better vibes from Vomps than Russ, why? I'm reading them both pretty similarly.

I suspected Russ earlier and still kind of do. I would be fine with either a Russ or Vomps lynch, although unlike Kate, I think Vomps to be the more likely baddie. BWT hasn't really pinged me this game.

Matahari wrote:frankly, I'm going to point out the obvious. The less said by the innocent, the better. Or, to say it differently, if you are not guilty of being Bob or a recruit, wait until close to lynch time to cast your vote.

I thought the plan involved agreeing in advanace about what we were going to do?

This game has been so difficult, with all the plans and all the changes

So we aren't going to decide in advance?

I really think we should, SVS.

Agreed. It would be nice to come to some sort of consensus, though doubtful, so perhaps the closest thing possible?

I tend to think its more important for bob and his recruits to have the plan fixed early on. I suggest we all show up about 20 minutes before lynch time and decide quickly. Less chance of manipulation by baddies.

thellama73 wrote:I really think we should, SVS.

So why is Mata saying the opposite?

Linki ~ GAH!!

RIP, Snow Dog. I can't see any reason the baddies would kill a teammate, so I'm assuming you were good.

S~V~S wrote:I am, he pops in and pops out. Enough to be "here", but not enough to leave an impressionm good or bad.

yeah, i would consider him

I'm not sure how this is a reason to consider me. I tend to be asleep when most of you are doing the most posting in the evening since I live in Europe, but I do write up my thoughts when I get up, as you can see from my multi-post monologues that show up every night.

Vompatti wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I'll be sleeping tomorrow so I have to vote now and I'm going with llama.

*votes llama*

Any particular reason?

Since I voted early, I voted for someone whom most people seemed to want to cover so that I wouldn't mess up the strategy or anything. On the other hand I still think there's a good chance you're possessed, so if someone chooses to give you another vote (which I doubt) I'm fine with that.

On a read through of Vomps I found this, which seems like the definition of blending. In my opinion there wasn't much else to go on one way or another, but this does ping me.

However, I think BWT is a MUCH better candidate than either me or Vomps, and here's why.

He voted for 2 people who either were civs (Nev) or almost certainly were (Mata) at the time he voted them.

Here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=136&p=17222#p17222 he excuses his vote for BF by saying he hasn't had time to get into the game. Says he hasn't had time for the game and will reread some people (which he never does).

Here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=136&start=560 he says he may eye Kate today, and then writes a paragraph about why she shouldn't be looked at. He then says he doesn't know who to look at today. He suggests low posters, which is both a bit ironic and a bit pingy, in my opinion. He says he finally has time for the game and will be around all day, after which he writes one post defending Kate and isn't heard from the rest of the day. In his most recent post on Thursday he says he forgot to check in and get caught up, which he apparently hadn't done before.

Combine the thread info with the fact that BWT won Minecraft as a baddie largely by not being present, and I think we're seeing a bad BWT. Kate and S~V~S's defenses of him worry me a lot. Kate and S~V~S are best friends irl and Kate won Minecraft with BWT, so they both seem like logical recruits for her. Furthermore, S~V~S was the first to defend Kate after the Nev debacle, saying she would never lead a lynch like that as a baddie. I'm starting to think Kate did just that.

If my theory is right, then what happened last night lines up perfectly. One uncovered recruit (BWT) killed, one was covered (S~V~S), and Kate is more or less clear of suspicion.

I believe Snow is in Europe as well.

Sorry Russ, this is not true, while I cannot say Kate was not recruited since the Nevin lynch, or BWT for that matter, I know that it does not applyto me.

So continuingmy tradition of early votes, voting Russ. I am not going to be here 20 before the end oof the lynch, and any plan I am part of will involve Russ being covered at very least in any case.

Nice No U, BTW. Well done

S~V~S wrote:I believe Snow is in Europe as well.

Not at the moment. Bright, breezy, chance of showers.

Yeah...I'm in the UK

Matahari wrote:I tend to think its more important for bob and his recruits to have the plan fixed early on. I suggest we all show up about 20 minutes before lynch time and decide quickly. Less chance of manipulation by baddies.

I'm a bit lost on this front; why is that the case?

I'm OK with that though, since I think it seems most of us are on the same page regardless, and I do agree late voting is good. I have to leave momentarily but I'll be back after 3:00PM EST or so and I should be able to vote at the last minute.

I haven't decided who to vote of the three. I would like to deffo hear more from Vomps. I want to see what Teeth says in response to Rusti's post.
I hope that was not the only post we get from Rusti either.

I admit I have had doubts about SVS. But also about llama.

This is a tough lynch. Depending on which of the 3 flips recruit it should be an easy line to draw to teamies with as much defending of one another.

I will be back later as well.

Roxy wrote:I haven't decided who to vote of the three. I would like to deffo hear more from Vomps. I want to see what Teeth says in response to Rusti's post.
I hope that was not the only post we get from Rusti either.

I admit I have had doubts about SVS. But also about llama.

This is a tough lynch. Depending on which of the 3 flips recruit it should be an easy line to draw to teamies with as much defending of one another.

I will be back later as well.

I know, I'm not sure myself, since only one of them is the recruit (another could be Bob), which means at least one of them is clearly innocent (and there's the possibility that you could be Bob, but I don't know about that).

For what it's worth, I do think Russ gets unfairly called out for lack of reads or participation when he clearly does contribute a lot to the thread. I think Vomps and BWT have contributed less this game, for sure. However, that does not necessarily tie into baddieness at all, and I definitely feel one of the three is likely Bob and another is a recruit. I hope so anyway.

That being said, I agree that I hope Russ contributes more, because I wasn't satisfied by that defense. I do think that BWT has been absent, but I was absent for a large part of the game, and I know how IRL can do that to you. Vomps I always have trouble reading.

You know, I do still think I'm reading S~V~S as unrecruited, but the fact that she has voted early in so many lynches now kind of irks me. Her "vote" for Snow Dog and all of that was weird too, now that I remember that. I don't know.

And while I agree it's best to hold our votes for the last minute, I feel this is an incredibly important lynch, so that we definitely need to discuss it, because if we lynch another unrecruited today, the numbers will be bad.

Alright, I have to go now, but I'll be back in about 5 hours.

Have no doubts about me, folks, I am true blue and unrecruited

I voted early because I will not be around to talk the last 20 like Mata wants to, and everyone else keeps talking about how we have to agree and have a plan, but no one seems to actually want to talk about what the plan should be. So I suspect Russ, I know several others have said they do as well. So my candidate for the plan is to Maybe put 2 votes on the person we trust the least (I nominate Russ ) and give everyone else except someone we all feel good about (I might think Llama or Kate, but that is up to you guys since as I said when I voted, I WON"T BE HERE) and leave that one person open, and one person with 2 votes, and everyone else with one. You can choose to put the second on Russ if you agree with me, or you can put it on someone else (I would suggest not me, as I am not BOB and am also not a recruit, but you guys decide). If it is someone else, i have covered Russ, which works for me, since I do not trust him. At all.

So this is my plan:

One person with 2 votes, one person with zero votes, everyone else with one. I don't trust Russ, so i placed one on him, I do not wish him to to be uncovered. I am now off to go garage sale-ing and pick out paint for a night stand, and then will be going to a garden show. I hope to come back to a thread in which I am alive

U agree that we should lynch one of the three uhh ncovered last night. I don't want to lynch rox. Bwt is my second to last. Of vomps and russ. I feel slightly better about vomps. But I nominate him as the person w 2 votes. I'd like russ to go.

I not u...sorey on phone at a birthsay party.

Ugh russ. If u are not bad I really wish you disnt no u... I'm so stressed over this lynch.

Mata's advice, while strange and difficult to understand, does make one good point and that is that the baddies are going to try and steer us away from the one, possibly two people in our group of consideration who are innocent. Some people are pushing for russ, and these are people I tryst mostly, although I still think Vompatti is a more likely recruit. No one besides russ is really pushing for BWT. That makes me wonder if maybe I am wrong about vomps and russ is the one we should be after. This is quite a head game, this mafia is.

I'm a little surprised no one shares my thoughts on BWT, but that being what it is I'm happy to talk about myself as well. Defending oneself in mafia seems to present pretty few possibilities, but if anyone has any concerns, thread-based or otherwise, that they'd like me to address I'll be more than happy to do so, especially if it helps us avoid a fourth civ lynch in a row.

I have no answer to S~V~S's vague, "he's not around enough". Vomps has objectively been around less than me, and in my opinion contributed less of value, but if she'd rather vote for me that's her perogative. I stand by what I said before: I live in Europe, wake up for work every weekday at 5am, and because of that am usually in bed by 10 or 11pm. Thus I miss most of your evenings, which is when most of the posting is done. I'm sorry if I miss big discussions, but that will be the case until June when I move back to the States, and I do always take care to comment on what's been said afterward.

If I were to say hypothetically that something odd occurred overnight related to you. Woyld you have any idea what i was referring to?

Russtifinko wrote:I'm a little surprised no one shares my thoughts on BWT, but that being what it is I'm happy to talk about myself as well. Defending oneself in mafia seems to present pretty few possibilities, but if anyone has any concerns, thread-based or otherwise, that they'd like me to address I'll be more than happy to do so, especially if it helps us avoid a fourth civ lynch in a row.

I have no answer to S~V~S's vague, "he's not around enough". Vomps has objectively been around less than me, and in my opinion contributed less of value, but if she'd rather vote for me that's her perogative. I stand by what I said before: I live in Europe, wake up for work every weekday at 5am, and because of that am usually in bed by 10 or 11pm. Thus I miss most of your evenings, which is when most of the posting is done. I'm sorry if I miss big discussions, but that will be the case until June when I move back to the States, and I do always take care to comment on what's been said afterward.

Congratulations, Russ. This post screams "sincerity" to me. I am going to trust my initial gut and vote for Vompatti over you (I will wait until closer to closing time to actually cast the vote, just in case)

Kate wrote:If I were to say hypothetically that something odd occurred overnight related to you. Woyld you have any idea what i was referring to?

I would not. I suppose you can't be any more specific, but with the details you provided I have no idea what that "something" could even be.

And thanks, llama.

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:I'm a little surprised no one shares my thoughts on BWT, but that being what it is I'm happy to talk about myself as well. Defending oneself in mafia seems to present pretty few possibilities, but if anyone has any concerns, thread-based or otherwise, that they'd like me to address I'll be more than happy to do so, especially if it helps us avoid a fourth civ lynch in a row.

I have no answer to S~V~S's vague, "he's not around enough". Vomps has objectively been around less than me, and in my opinion contributed less of value, but if she'd rather vote for me that's her perogative. I stand by what I said before: I live in Europe, wake up for work every weekday at 5am, and because of that am usually in bed by 10 or 11pm. Thus I miss most of your evenings, which is when most of the posting is done. I'm sorry if I miss big discussions, but that will be the case until June when I move back to the States, and I do always take care to comment on what's been said afterward.

Congratulations, Russ. This post screams "sincerity" to me. I am going to trust my initial gut and vote for Vompatti over you (I will wait until closer to closing time to actually cast the vote, just in case)

And I'm leaning towards voting for BWT over Russ.

Alright, now I think it's time to start considering who the recruit might be among myself, SVS, Kate, Mata and MP.

I know it is not me. I don't think it's Kate, and based on the relationship between Kate and SVS, I don't think it's SVS. Mata seems very off to me, but I don't know her playstyle, so maybe she is always like this. I would believe any number of horrible things about MP.

Thoughts?

I am undecided! I do wish Vomps would have said something, anything more. And where is that bird with the teeth???

are there links anywhere to the lynch posts?

Vomps, I'm glad to hear I'm not entirely crazy for suspecting him. I could get on board with us both voting BWT today.

Llama makes a good point though; we also have a recruit who didn't kill last night and, most importantly, BOB, who is set to recruit again tonight. Frankly, if Kate and S~V~S are both innocent I'm at a bit of a loss. We know Mata isn't BOB, and if she was recruited it was a bad choice since she almost died the next day. I'm kind of hampered in reading her because I haven't fully understood any of her posts or hints the past few days but think she's good because of the circumstances. MP could go either way, I suppose, but we have less material from him than usual to read. Llama has seemed civvie to me thus far.

I have to go to dinner (unfortunately, given my situation). I'll probably just be back to vote later on. I'm very much leaning BWT over Vomps right now, especially if any others share my thoughts on him.