The Syndicate

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Why Etain, Metalfox? I myself have that small "link-theory" about Mainchin and Carmen, but I'm not sure how Etain and Carmen connect?

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Why Etain, Metalfox? I myself have that small "link-theory" about Mainchin and Carmen, but I'm not sure how Etain and Carmen connect?

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We connect by pure desperation methinks.

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Etain Royalskull wrote:

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Why Etain, Metalfox? I myself have that small "link-theory" about Mainchin and Carmen, but I'm not sure how Etain and Carmen connect?

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We connect by pure desperation methinks.

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The connection doesn't make sense with anything I've seen that's for sure. Reads like Metalfox just threw something out.. His increase in participation is marked with a considerable lack of substance still, which is unnerving.

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Etain Royalskull wrote:

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Etain Royalskull wrote:What's funny to me is there was a sort of rush to push the thread away from Finnian who was the second lynch candidate for a while now. Low posters get mentioned and then all of a sudden bam a *low poster* gets a vote.

I think I shall vote Finnian.

Uggggggggggh.

Or maybe me at least making some forms of attempts are assuaging the suspicions of some? Is there really no excuse for anyone to drop their suspicion ever? Since there was talk of easy targets earlier, don't I sort of make one? You are the second person so far to drop previous things to come after me. If I get lynched, when I come up civ I think people doing this should really be looked at. I mean the "easy target" I picked I have basically no chance of voting for as I was making note of them, and not really suspecting them.

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I asked you earlier and I'll ask you again....who do you want deaded?

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For now I would say Carmen although I am not totally sure. Me being gone for the majority of the game has left me in a very confused position. Right now I'm at a point of making observations but most of it depends on someone getting lynched and flipping to be a certain role. If, however, Carmen does get lynched and flips bad, I think Etain is bad. Just the way I read it.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Well as the game presses on I think each lynch is getting more and more informative, even though the results are poo. Observing how the votes come in and the discussion and theories about players is at least somewhat illuminating
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That's honestly something I haven't reviewed much yet. Perhaps I should. :P

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What? I've been after a Carmen lynch since I joined the game.

Yes you were, but you joined late in Day 3. You voted to lynch Carmen. Then nothing happened. Now on Day 4, you're laying pretty well off. I think you might have had knowledge of what was going down on the Day 3 lynch where everyone survived, and now that you put up a guise of going after her and that's done you're laying off.

Of course this is all speculation for the time being, but I'm currently wary of you.

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Or, it could be exactly what I said (and mostly everyone else) and I simply read her posts and the roles.

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Well of course. No such thing as a sure thing. But isn't that what mafia's about? Coming up with theories like this one? On the case of that role hint, I never buy role hints. Anyone can hint at anything. Although to be fair, I can't pick up on role hints worth shit.

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I must say, your vote surprises me, oh thrice-eyed felis domesticus.

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Etain was laying into Carmen earlier during Day 4, but did start to back off as she considered the role hint possibility, Finnian. So it wasn't neccessarily "Day 3 ON, Day 4 OFF", but in the interest of fairness I did reread Etain and consider your theory. At least you're putting out the effort.

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I think there is a lot of distraction going on.

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Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:I must say, your vote surprises me, oh thrice-eyed felis domesticus.

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I invite you to read the last two pages in their entirety and see if you see the pattern and not so subtle push away from Finnian and toward low posters once it became ...clear?... that there was a role hint in play.

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Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:I think there is a lot of distraction going on.

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I agree with this 1000%

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:I think there is a lot of distraction going on.

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If you could elaborate, I would be most thankful.

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I've only got a second while on break, but typically as soon as the game moves to focus on a baddie, the baddie team finds a bunch of other names to throw around, to complicate matters. I feel like the sheer number of names being thrown around today means that one of the original popular suspicions was likely right. That would be Carmen, imo.

I don't have time to read back much, but if someone can explain where Carmen role hinted, or which role it was it would be appreciated.

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I have to cast a ballot now because i have other things to do and so I'm casting a ballot for Carmen. I think that she was able, with the help of her team, to move the lynch to Bac. I also think Bac spotted a slip by Carmen and they wanted to get rid of Bac before she made any more of it. Then her comment about what Bac said being "mumbo jumbo" was just...well it was just ridiculous. What Bac was saying was perfectly clear. I really think she was just trying to dodge. The others may get more of my eye tomorrow (though if Finnian is bad I don't think its for the reasons put forth).

Vote Carmen

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Just to be clear, here is what I think happened thus far this day.

We entered the day with Carmen a likely lynch lead candidate, with Finnian in the second spot.

Carmen *mayormaynot* have role hinted.

Having seen what *mayormaynot* have been a role hinted many backed off from wanted to lynch her so quickly. (as I said earlier, there is a built in way to check her claim)

With Carmen out of the running, Finnian would seemingly slip into the lead spot, but suddenly there was a strange push to vote low posters. And even one quick vote in that way. I can't remember these crazy names, or I'd say who did it.

In sum, I think the baddies are trying to steer us away from a Finnian lynch, which is why I voted how I did.

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Or is Finnian the one who role hinted? I honestly have like 30 seconds here, so the role hint thing is going to have to remain a mystery to me until my next break.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Etain was laying into Carmen earlier during Day 4, but did start to back off as she considered the role hint possibility, Finnian. So it wasn't neccessarily "Day 3 ON, Day 4 OFF", but in the interest of fairness I did reread Etain and consider your theory. At least you're putting out the effort.

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True on the on/off thing. Apologies if my post read that way.

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Etain Royalskull wrote:

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:I must say, your vote surprises me, oh thrice-eyed felis domesticus.

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I invite you to read the last two pages in their entirety and see if you see the pattern and not so subtle push away from Finnian and toward low posters once it became ...clear?... that there was a role hint in play.

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I have little need to reread the last two pages in their entirety. I am not questioning your vote. It just surprised me is all.

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Yeah, Etain. The Djinn hates me enough already.

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So on one end we have Etain saying:

"The possibility of a Carmen role hint pushed Carmen out of the spotlight and Finnian became her de facto replacement. Shortly after THAT, the push for low posters begain, possibly as a scramble to protect Finian from this impossible to foresee shift in the paradigm."

And on the other we have Deidre, one of the folks being tossed about as possibly suspicious (according to Etain in part to rescue Finian) saying:

"The new crop of suspects is just a distraction from the old crop of suspects." which of course he would say, being one of the new crop of suspects :P


Do I have the gist?

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Okay I have to go do musical stuff. I might be getting drunk immediately after so whether or not I'll have time to vote after is unknown. SO FOR MY FIRST VOTE EVER

*drum roll*

Carmen

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Finnian Metalfox wrote:Yeah, Etain. The Djinn hates me enough already.

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We Djinns have too much in our hearts to harbor hate. But the Cause of Peace requires that evil be purged from the world, as I learned when I attended the Forty-Third Annual Convention of the Grand Mystic Royal Order of the Nobles of the Ali Baba Temple of the Shrine.

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:So on one end we have Etain saying:

"The possibility of a Carmen role hint pushed Carmen out of the spotlight and Finnian became her de facto replacement. Shortly after THAT, the push for low posters begain, possibly as a scramble to protect Finian from this impossible to foresee shift in the paradigm."

And on the other we have Deidre, one of the folks being tossed about as possibly suspicious (according to Etain in part to rescue Finian) saying:

"The new crop of suspects is just a distraction from the old crop of suspects." which of course he would say, being one of the new crop of suspects :P


Do I have the gist?

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Um, I'm not sure, wouldn't that mean that Deirde and I are in agreement? If so, then yea, I think that's right.

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Deirdre, the role hints have been discussed more than 24 hours now. One would think you use this as an excuse, but I can see both good and bad reasons for doing so.

Bronwyn's post sounds straight to the point and mirrors the qualms I have about voting for/against Carmen. Carmen's posts sound pseudo-innocent. I have to say that the only way I think a baddie might have been ballsy enough to make false role hints, is if they have a team member who checked a player on night 1, and found out the identity of a member of the townie duo, and turned in a kill for that player on the next night. Then possibly a team member could establish, by rolehint, that they are a member of this loving duo.

I am still considering what to do.

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Except you think the push was to protect Finnian, and Deidre thinks Carmen is a better bet?

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Except you think the push was to protect Finnian, and Deidre thinks Carmen is a better bet?

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Oh, I was reading only your post, I didn't go back to hers. If she thinks the fix is in to save Carmen, then no, we don't agree.

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My post was to point out the interesting contrast in your two theories.

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Wow, 2-2-2 so far! Avoiding that spread is going....poorly. I have to choose now and then sleep. I will go Finnian for reasons previously stated. I still feel worst about him. And I'm not sure about the "subtle push" being discussed, but I think the possibility is there. Linki #2: wait, is the "subtle push" away from Carmen or Finnian?

Linki #1: Miyuki, can you explain why the scenario you put forth is the only way a nogoodnik would dare hint at a civvie role? And the hint you seem to have picked up is a different role than the one I had been reading. Since when are role hints ok, anyway? Every other game I've played, hints have made people want to lynch the person more, not less.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bac's thoughts on Ameerah are right, as well. Occam's Razor says silencing and then killing him to stop him talking about her is a solid plan. But given the current spread I think that's a debate for tomorrow.

Linki #3: Wow Queran, prolific today!

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EBWOP: I voted Finnin, since he seems to have replaced Finnian on the poll.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, 2-2-2 so far! Avoiding that spread is going....poorly. I have to choose now and then sleep. I will go Finnian for reasons previously stated. I still feel worst about him. And I'm not sure about the "subtle push" being discussed, but I think the possibility is there. Linki #2: wait, is the "subtle push" away from Carmen or Finnian?

Linki #1: Miyuki, can you explain why the scenario you put forth is the only way a nogoodnik would dare hint at a civvie role? And the hint you seem to have picked up is a different role than the one I had been reading. Since when are role hints ok, anyway? Every other game I've played, hints have made people want to lynch the person more, not less.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bac's thoughts on Ameerah are right, as well. Occam's Razor says silencing and then killing him to stop him talking about her is a solid plan. But given the current spread I think that's a debate for tomorrow.

Linki #3: Wow Queran, prolific today!

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Imo, the push is away from Finnian.

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Sorry for being Mia, my father in law died on Wednesday so mafia is the least thing of my mind.

Anyways skimmed through the last few pages , and my gut is saying finnin.

Votes.

Lyel Lambboat wrote:Sorry for being Mia, my father in law died on Wednesday so mafia is the least thing of my mind.

My condolences, Lyel.

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Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:

Lyel Lambboat wrote:Sorry for being Mia, my father in law died on Wednesday so mafia is the least thing of my mind.

My condolences, Lyel.

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Thanks

I dunno, I kinda feel like even though she thinks I am illogical (and she is not the first to think that) Carmn hasthe plaintive innocent thing going on to some extent imo, so I am leaning that Finian was the person in need of succor, not Carmen.

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Firstly, sorry to hear that Lyle.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, 2-2-2 so far! Avoiding that spread is going....poorly. I have to choose now and then sleep. I will go Finnian for reasons previously stated. I still feel worst about him. And I'm not sure about the "subtle push" being discussed, but I think the possibility is there. Linki #2: wait, is the "subtle push" away from Carmen or Finnian?

Linki #1: Miyuki, can you explain why the scenario you put forth is the only way a nogoodnik would dare hint at a civvie role? And the hint you seem to have picked up is a different role than the one I had been reading. Since when are role hints ok, anyway? Every other game I've played, hints have made people want to lynch the person more, not less.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bac's thoughts on Ameerah are right, as well. Occam's Razor says silencing and then killing him to stop him talking about her is a solid plan. But given the current spread I think that's a debate for tomorrow.

Linki #3: Wow Queran, prolific today!

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What do you mean w/ Linki #3?

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Happy Hour at the Pixie Parlour after toil (buy a thimble of brew, get one free!!) So voting now. I think Finian is more likely the culprit in the near murder of me

So picking Finian

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I am voting Finnian as well. Given the plethora of evidence and theories and things that sprang forth today, the stuff on him seems to make the most sense and feels just about right to me.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, 2-2-2 so far! Avoiding that spread is going....poorly. I have to choose now and then sleep. I will go Finnian for reasons previously stated. I still feel worst about him. And I'm not sure about the "subtle push" being discussed, but I think the possibility is there. Linki #2: wait, is the "subtle push" away from Carmen or Finnian?

Linki #1: Miyuki, can you explain why the scenario you put forth is the only way a nogoodnik would dare hint at a civvie role? And the hint you seem to have picked up is a different role than the one I had been reading. Since when are role hints ok, anyway? Every other game I've played, hints have made people want to lynch the person more, not less.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Bac's thoughts on Ameerah are right, as well. Occam's Razor says silencing and then killing him to stop him talking about her is a solid plan. But given the current spread I think that's a debate for tomorrow.

Linki #3: Wow Queran, prolific today!

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Gob, some roles have to search or be sought, and the player chooses to throw hints out to speed the process along. I won't weigh in on whether its right or wrong, to each his own. I'm surprised you didn't understand when reading the links I posted though.

I just have to decide whether I believe its real or false.

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EBWOP 35.

How convenient! The points I was going to make have already been made.

This has been an interesting Sunny Period indeed! I agree with Etain regarding the subtle push in the thread away from Finnian. I am also willing to wait another Sunny Period on this issue of Carmen's hint as well. Good points on that one.

I am going to go ahead and vote now so as not to miss it again.


*votes Finnian*

EBWOP:

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Boy, that's easy to forget!!

I am increasingly unsurprised that Gob and Bac seem to be more and more operating under the same flag. I suppose the buddying-up is more on Gob's part, but the increasing frequency is starting to become alarming :P

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Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I am increasingly unsurprised that Gob and Bac seem to be more and more operating under the same flag. I suppose the buddying-up is more on Gob's part, but the increasing frequency is starting to become alarming :P

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Actually I kinda thought the same thing myself, my opinion is not all that that he keeps needing it as much as he is saying, ha ha.

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*Votes Finnian for reasons previously given.*

Well I managed to get a couple minutes on the Mac here. Anyways, look for baddies in my voters yadda yadda easy target to shift attention on yadda yadda good luck civs.

Right or wrong I would rather we as a majority decide who gets lynched. So I am sorry Finian i will have to vote for you to try to avoid vote manipulation as much as possible.

Votes Finian.


*fingers crossed*

I am sticking with my Carmen vote. She mayormaynot have role-hinted and her posts haven't done much to quell my suspicion of her.

I keep going back and forth on Finnian--I just can't wrap my brain around why a mafia would choose not to vote 3 days in a row knowing that they can't use their night power (or that their teammate wouldn't be pushing them to vote). I hope he is bad, but I decided to stick with my gut.

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could someone direct me to where the rolehinting is supposed to have happened?

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Deidre -

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