The Syndicate

On the bright side now I don’t look stupid for last second swapping to Sig with a “fuck your Sig” message

OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:20 pm I mean he had a fairly garbage role, so...meh

Also I’m basically always going to self prez, and even if I weren’t self prezzing I still probably wouldn’t have let it tie, fuck rand ties are bad and everyone involved should be ashamed.

But the memes, Nanook. THE MEMES!

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm Okay... so for these rules things, they're interesting. Not a single one jumps out at me as the overwhelmingly best option. The first one is awful fwiw, so I guess it's between two and three? Thoughts?

I'm not a fan of the idea of forcing roleplay, but the third one is uhhhhh

Why do you think the first one is bad? I disagree but am open to hearing your argument.

Roleplaying I'm not super enthusiastic about personally. The third one, eh. Not really into it.

Wait, how does the second lynch work exactly?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Does it mean there will be:

1) one public lynch where we exclusively vote via the poll, and someone dies, AND one secret lynch where we exclusively vote via PMs

OR

2) one public lynch where we vote via the poll AND another vote via the PMs, and the top two die?

Feel bad for the hosts for losing such a cool role on day 1.

Also LOL Sig.

Thunder dome is fine, it’s basically just an artificial deadline that’s an hour earlier. Doesn’t substantially change the game imo

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.

Okay, you're right, if that's true, then we should totally do #1 I think.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.

Naw, it’s literally the same as a normal day just with artificial EOD an hour earlier. You still have fire drills and whatever, they’re just an hour earlier

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.

Okay, you're right, if that's true, then we should totally do #1 I think.

Actually I think you're still right but let's think more about this. We'll be presumably at 13 players assuming one player dies tonight.

If we have 3 deaths per cycle instead of 2... how much faster does that put us at LYLO assuming we fuck up?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.

Naw, it’s literally the same as a normal day just with artificial EOD an hour earlier. You still have fire drills and whatever, they’re just an hour earlier

Oh yeah, guess that's true.

These mechanics are cool either way.

Okay I need a brain break, I'll be back at some point, probably tomorrow so I can at the least vote if not do hunting.

Secret lynches are pro scum.

Any questions anyone has during Night phases will get a big shrug from me. Like this:

Any questions anyone has at all should be directed to MacDougall and me privately.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.

Okay, you're right, if that's true, then we should totally do #1 I think.

Actually I think you're still right but let's think more about this. We'll be presumably at 13 players assuming one player dies tonight.

If we have 3 deaths per cycle instead of 2... how much faster does that put us at LYLO assuming we fuck up?

I assume the rule is only for D2?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:33 pm Any questions anyone has during Night phases will get a big shrug from me. Like this:

Any questions anyone has at all should be directed to MacDougall and me privately.

Peanuts or crackerjack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 pm Secret lynches are pro scum.

Not if we use them correctly.

Eh, problem with secret TK is that it has to be near- unanimous and people have to stick to it even if they don’t agree with it, otherwise scum can abuse it.

So yeah, it’s not the absolute worst, but I don’t really like it much either tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 pm Secret lynches are pro scum.

Not if we use them correctly.

Maybe on a majority site but not to a group that’s like “let’s have a four way tie.”

Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Option 2 kinda tells us theme isn’t that big of an alignment indicator because it seems broken under certain setups. It’s still at least protown.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 pm Secret lynches are pro scum.

Not if we use them correctly.

Maybe on a majority site but not to a group that’s like “let’s have a four way tie.”

Agree with this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Disagree with this. Just treat EOD-1 as true EOD and it solves the issue, yeah? It’s not that hard tbh

Day ending one hour early is pro scum.

Sigh. Bye sig.

I'll catch up tomorrow.

Oh, still not caught up, but before I leave, options

Double town's offensive power, do pointless flavor gunk with no penalty, or restrict us from making hot potatoes.

Obvious choice IMO

I voted for "in-character" because it sounds fun. I'm cool with second lynch. I'll vote Jack with my secret vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:24 pm Day ending one hour early is pro scum.

Not really tbh—the leading vote getter halfway into day is more often mafia than a fire drill.

Granted that’s with 72 hour days so iso how a shorter day affects that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:34 pm I voted for "in-character" because it sounds fun. I'm cool with second lynch. I'll vote Jack with my secret vote.

Lol that’s what I’m worried about. What if I’m lynchable via secret votes?

Oh wow, I didn't realize that the game was still going on during night phase, lol.

Catching up really quick.

Rules 1 and 3 look the best to me, by the way. <3

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.

Oh wait. Yeah, maybe 3 isn't as appealing to me as I initially thought. I think I always go with 1 here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 pm Secret lynches are pro scum.

second lynches are pro town. With decent organization it’s better for town

I'm going to bed. G'night, y'all. :P

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Option 2 kinda tells us theme isn’t that big of an alignment indicator because it seems broken under certain setups. It’s still at least protown.

I disagree with your logic on option two.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Option 2 kinda tells us theme isn’t that big of an alignment indicator because it seems broken under certain setups. It’s still at least protown.

I disagree with your logic on option two.

Which bit?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:46 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Option 2 kinda tells us theme isn’t that big of an alignment indicator because it seems broken under certain setups. It’s still at least protown.

I disagree with your logic on option two.

Which bit?

I think there are good odds that it doesn’t break the game, but given the general town slant in the powers (I actually think 3 is good but then I hate CFDs) I’m hesitant to vote for something that isn’t as clearly townie. I also don’t think its existence means that theme isn’t a good indicator.

ThT wasn’t cleR

I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

Ugh. Mechanics.

I don't really care about the options.

1st - if votes aren't revealed, what info does that give us?
2nd - null; not opposed to it.
3rd - in normal circumstances I'd like this best, but I will never be around EoD and if too many aren't then it's efficacy becomes questionable.


I lean towards the 3rd one.

I'm sorry sig, though I'm not sorry to see that ability gone.

And [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] before I forget thanks for explaining your reason for calling speed disingenuous. I had not thought of that point the way you explained it.

Ok so for the rules. I'm hoping this is a one day thing because none of them really appeal to me.

Rule 1: Secret vote - it seems like this allows scum to all hop on the same person here at the beginning when all of them are alive as opposed to open lynches where they are usually adverse to all voting together and get a civ lynched. [mention]nutella[/mention] you said if we used it right it would be more of a civ thing. What did you have in mind?

Rule 2: Post slightly within character - this seems relatively harmless unless you don't know your character. I meant to try it but then forgot when the game started. This seems like the least impactful option.

Rule 3: Eliminate all but the top 2 one hour before the lynch. I think the point that was made that this just moves EOD an hour earlier is a good one. I'm a little worried though because if EOD stays at 10:00 I may not make it to a lot of them and could miss that last hour where I would need to revote. If EOD is moving to an earlier hour I'm not worried about this. My other qualm is my feeling about the day period in early game is it's important for civs to have as much time as possible (within reason) to make their decisions.

So at the moment I see #2 as the best option unless a lot of people don't know their character, #3 as the second option, and #1 as the third option. As we talk it through though my mind can be changed. I'll wait to vote.

Here is the Epignosis link so we can find the end of phase posts and the vote counts. I'll also send it to Epi to put at the beginning of the game.

Epignosis

This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

I still cant' believe we lynched Dana White.

And just before that moment:

MR (4) – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook (3) – LC, sig, 112
Sig (3) – juliets, TSP, Jack
Jack (2) - nutella, MP7

[mention]Long Con[/mention] I think you overlooked my post yesterday. I'm hoping you can answer it today since you've got the perspective of the whole day behind you. If you don't want to answer until the new day starts that's fine.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:34 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:38 pm Against my typical habits, I'm actively avoiding sharing a rainbow list right now because my reads are very much in flux right now regarding the most active posters, and otherwise more people need to be pressured before this game is over.

Hey LC, what are your reads buddy?

I'm generally feeling suspicious of 112 and Nanook across the day. I haven't really pinpointed for myself why, but I would join those wagons if they were a go at crunch time.

I don't suspect Mplus7, and even if I did, I am unlikely to contribute to his Day 1 lynch after I specifically called for and performed his Night 1 kill in the last game we played, Mafia is fun online social time, and I want to hang with my old friend.

I am not suspicious of DDL for the Radishes accusation. nutella sure is, but that's ok. Not really down with voting nutella.

Juliets could be an option. I don't have a townread of her.

My vote has been on Tony for too long. He could be bad, but I'd rather vote 112 or Nanook. [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine because 112's wagon is already revving up.

LC, I know gut reads are hard to pinpoint but there must be something that leads you to vote for Nanook. It would be great if you could even just describe what your gut is saying about him.

linki: @Hyena thanks for that explanation.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I'll go for a double lynch over the locked candidates though. We'd just have to coordinate.