Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 1)
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:40 pm
Yeah, 'cause you expect Long Con to remember each of your 30,000 posts.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:39 pmI have been promoting the notion that mafia give more town reads on average than mafia give in that exercise for the last five years. This isn't the first time you've seen that.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:37 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:34 pmHe just did it again. I noticed the parallel immediately and said it.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pmso?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.![]()
I like his entranceYou're still scum. I can't think of any other reason for you to misrepresent my Day 1 play like that. "...there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state." You dirty scum, YOU ARE THE ONE that put GTH, where you CAN'T have null reads, into effect. I followed YOUR RULES and forced stupid, uninformed reads into the thread, and then you have the nerve to try and turn that around on ME?
Your caps lock is silly.
What's the punchline?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:40 pmHis reaction to me is a joke. Whatever his alignment, it's a joke.
This is why I hate back-and-forths. They get melted into a single unified being even when there's only one guy losing his shit.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:41 pm This is way overblown. Either you are both wolves engaging in some spirited scum theater or you are both incredibly melodramatic.
I'm going to bed since it's 4:40am. I know this is hypocritical but do try not to spam the thread too much. It's been super active and I don't want the inactive players to skim the posts or even worse, just give up on catching up entirely.
So you think I should remember that, eh? But not WHILE I'm doing GTH. Only after. I'm probably scum who has selective fucking amnesia. You could see my many "good"s as evidence that I'm NOT trying to bolster my reads to fit your oft-touted Big Scumcatching Plan that of course everyone remembers. But no, that wouldn't fit would it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:39 pmI have been promoting the notion that mafia give more town reads on average than mafia give in that exercise for the last five years. This isn't the first time you've seen that.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:37 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:34 pmHe just did it again. I noticed the parallel immediately and said it.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pmso?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.![]()
I like his entranceYou're still scum. I can't think of any other reason for you to misrepresent my Day 1 play like that. "...there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state." You dirty scum, YOU ARE THE ONE that put GTH, where you CAN'T have null reads, into effect. I followed YOUR RULES and forced stupid, uninformed reads into the thread, and then you have the nerve to try and turn that around on ME?
Your caps lock is silly.
Suspect you more, per my previous post.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:42 pmYou don't have to remember all of my posts, but I've just reminded you. What are you going to do with it?
This is true. I should amend my statement.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pmThis is why I hate back-and-forths. They get melted into a single unified being even when there's only one guy losing his shit.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:41 pm This is way overblown. Either you are both wolves engaging in some spirited scum theater or you are both incredibly melodramatic.
I'm going to bed since it's 4:40am. I know this is hypocritical but do try not to spam the thread too much. It's been super active and I don't want the inactive players to skim the posts or even worse, just give up on catching up entirely.![]()
You tried to scream and yell me out of my suspicion in Take Me Out to the Ballgame, and it failed utterly. Go solve the game or stop wasting my time. You're not moving me at all.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm So you think I should remember that, eh? But not WHILE I'm doing GTH. Only after. I'm probably scum who has selective fucking amnesia. You could see my many "good"s as evidence that I'm NOT trying to bolster my reads to fit your oft-touted Big Scumcatching Plan that of course everyone remembers. But no, that wouldn't fit would it.![]()
I didn't really see it in the Space Invaders game.
I don't care what you do. I just want you lynched.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pmYou tried to scream and yell me out of my suspicion in Take Me Out to the Ballgame, and it failed utterly. Go solve the game or stop wasting my time. You're not moving me at all.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm So you think I should remember that, eh? But not WHILE I'm doing GTH. Only after. I'm probably scum who has selective fucking amnesia. You could see my many "good"s as evidence that I'm NOT trying to bolster my reads to fit your oft-touted Big Scumcatching Plan that of course everyone remembers. But no, that wouldn't fit would it.![]()
I didn't feel it in that one.
I don't figure you, as a mafioso, care about the potential for this accusation until it actually happens. Then you flail your arms in this ridiculous manner and try to wrest control from me by brute force. You've done this more than once. If you're a civilian it's incredibly toxic to the health of the thread. So stop it.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm So you think I should remember that, eh? But not WHILE I'm doing GTH. Only after. I'm probably scum who has selective fucking amnesia. You could see my many "good"s as evidence that I'm NOT trying to bolster my reads to fit your oft-touted Big Scumcatching Plan that of course everyone remembers. But no, that wouldn't fit would it.![]()
Yeah, I know you're really good for the thread. I can't let that stop me from voting you when you are scum. How can you expect that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:47 pmI don't figure you, as a mafioso, care about the potential for this accusation until it actually happens. Then you flail your arms in this ridiculous manner and try to wrest control from me by brute force. You've done this more than once. If you're a civilian it's incredibly toxic to the health of the thread. So stop it.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm So you think I should remember that, eh? But not WHILE I'm doing GTH. Only after. I'm probably scum who has selective fucking amnesia. You could see my many "good"s as evidence that I'm NOT trying to bolster my reads to fit your oft-touted Big Scumcatching Plan that of course everyone remembers. But no, that wouldn't fit would it.![]()
I'm still on page 15 gah there's so much! I was gone for like 3 hours and in that time there was like 400 posts.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm @sabie12 Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.
You place whatever vote you think is best. But please consider how your behavior impacts the way other people perceive this thread and their ability to make judgments.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pmYeah, I know you're really good for the thread. I can't let that stop me from voting you when you are scum. How can you expect that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:47 pmI don't figure you, as a mafioso, care about the potential for this accusation until it actually happens. Then you flail your arms in this ridiculous manner and try to wrest control from me by brute force. You've done this more than once. If you're a civilian it's incredibly toxic to the health of the thread. So stop it.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm So you think I should remember that, eh? But not WHILE I'm doing GTH. Only after. I'm probably scum who has selective fucking amnesia. You could see my many "good"s as evidence that I'm NOT trying to bolster my reads to fit your oft-touted Big Scumcatching Plan that of course everyone remembers. But no, that wouldn't fit would it.![]()
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pmI'm still on page 15 gah there's so much! I was gone for like 3 hours and in that time there was like 400 posts.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm @sabie12 Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.
Do you genuinely think that people are more likely to read your posts when you use a lot of all caps and post walls of text about how JJJ is definitely scum?
I don't know if I have seen that, but I wouldn't put it past him. I have seen him do real reaction tests as a civilian. I'm not sure I'd call potato soup a reaction test lol, but it doesn't bother me.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:51 pm does anyone know if nanook often fakes performing reaction tests as mafia?
I was going to go to bed but I was suddenly struck by the thought that if nanook was going to fake performing a reaction test to imitate himself gamesolving, he'd probably choose something other than the potato soup reaction test purely for optics reasons alone. He's also clearly aware that very few people agree with this kind of read and/or care about his ideas about how to gamesolve when he does stuff like the potato soup tell. I feel like if nanook was mafia he'd choose something that allowed him to influence town's opinion with his read.
Yeah I just like to try to catch up in case I miss something important. I'm at the part where jay had everyone do gth reads and a little after.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:53 pmsabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pmI'm still on page 15 gah there's so much! I was gone for like 3 hours and in that time there was like 400 posts.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm @sabie12 Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.
I feel you girl. Step away for ten minutes and there is another page. Just tell what you are feeling right at this moment. Your opinions can change as you read but I would like to hear your thoughts so I can get a better feel for you.
I have 0 doubt that it is well within nanook's scum range to pretend to do a reaction test when he is scum. (For lack of a better word, that is what I am calling his read in the context of this post.) I am more interested in whether or not he's likely to choose this reaction test specifically to fake. For the reasons I mentioned, it is on the face of it more advantageous for scum nanook to choose a less wacky reaction test to fake. It allows him to justify and springboard his narrative off of it, and is more likely to convince town that he's gamesolving.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:57 pmI don't know if I have seen that, but I wouldn't put it past him. I have seen him do real reaction tests as a civilian. I'm not sure I'd call potato soup a reaction test lol, but it doesn't bother me.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:51 pm does anyone know if nanook often fakes performing reaction tests as mafia?
I was going to go to bed but I was suddenly struck by the thought that if nanook was going to fake performing a reaction test to imitate himself gamesolving, he'd probably choose something other than the potato soup reaction test purely for optics reasons alone. He's also clearly aware that very few people agree with this kind of read and/or care about his ideas about how to gamesolve when he does stuff like the potato soup tell. I feel like if nanook was mafia he'd choose something that allowed him to influence town's opinion with his read.
I just wanted to see some thoughts. Thanks!sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:02 pmYeah I just like to try to catch up in case I miss something important. I'm at the part where jay had everyone do gth reads and a little after.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:53 pmsabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pmI'm still on page 15 gah there's so much! I was gone for like 3 hours and in that time there was like 400 posts.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm @sabie12 Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.
I feel you girl. Step away for ten minutes and there is another page. Just tell what you are feeling right at this moment. Your opinions can change as you read but I would like to hear your thoughts so I can get a better feel for you.
I think fg suspicion is warranted. I also don't remember if I have played with them before so not familiar with their style but I would lean scummy on them.
Alison had suggested hally and FG as teammates but I don't know. I'm still like 4 or 5 pages behind. What thoughts are you looking for right now aside from my brain is exploding?
So let's [calmly, please] address the points you made. I'm going to refrain from going through a huge wall of quotes, so I will just refer back in raw text. The quoted material below comes from Long Con.
When there is in-thread evidence to indicate that LC is bussing his mafia buddy, I am unmoved by appeals to his meta of not bussing his buddies in general unless it is extraordinarily strong.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:59 pm I don’t believe it’s W/W
Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.
I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.
That's not true either. I bus my teammates more than most.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:59 pm I don’t believe it’s W/W
Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.
I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.
I'll take it. Lynch him first though.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:54 pmDo you genuinely think that people are more likely to read your posts when you use a lot of all caps and post walls of text about how JJJ is definitely scum?
I think you know very well that people just skim over the specifics of posts like that and just leave with the general impression that LC was violently attacking JJJ without thinking too deep about the details of how and why it happened. Which is why I'm starting to suspect that it is W/W.
A JJJ lynch is not going to materialize in the near future because he is being widely townread. I think you know this. If JJJ is your mafia buddy, you want me to push him because you know nothing will come of it. Instead I am going to push you.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:08 pmI'll take it. Lynch him first though.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:54 pmDo you genuinely think that people are more likely to read your posts when you use a lot of all caps and post walls of text about how JJJ is definitely scum?
I think you know very well that people just skim over the specifics of posts like that and just leave with the general impression that LC was violently attacking JJJ without thinking too deep about the details of how and why it happened. Which is why I'm starting to suspect that it is W/W.
You’re entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I don’t expect to sway anyone, most people don’t listen to me anyway. But I’m not going to sit on information or not state my view because you are “unmoved.” Your “in thread evidence” amounts to just your interpretation of the exchange.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:06 pmWhen there is in-thread evidence to indicate that LC is bussing his mafia buddy, I am unmoved by appeals to his meta of not bussing his buddies in general unless it is extraordinarily strong.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:59 pm I don’t believe it’s W/W
Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.
I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.
I don't think I said you shouldn't state your view. I encourage it. I'm explaining why I'm unconvinced, that's all.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:10 pmYou’re entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I don’t expect to sway anyone, most people don’t listen to me anyway. But I’m not going to sit on information or not state my view because you are “unmoved.” Your “in thread evidence” amounts to just your interpretation of the exchange.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:06 pmWhen there is in-thread evidence to indicate that LC is bussing his mafia buddy, I am unmoved by appeals to his meta of not bussing his buddies in general unless it is extraordinarily strong.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:59 pm I don’t believe it’s W/W
Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.
I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.
Put your poll vote where your mouth is please.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:12 pm I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.
Update: he did. Nice.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:13 pmPut your poll vote where your mouth is please.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:12 pm I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.
i agree. i dont know lc but this feels performative, overdramatic and fake especially when your suspicion of him was hardly anything to begin withJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:12 pm I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.