The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:02 pm Hey @cayvie did you receive my tea?

not that i'm aware of

Poisoner is likely mafia because if they weren't they would be poisoning marcher or something.

Unless it's a really overconfident townie but no one here seems to fit that description imo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:03 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:00 pm I was about to say the setup might have a godfather but nanook randomized the roles so it probably doesn't unless he considered the possibility of a town godfather (or maybe a role that always fools investigations on whatever side it is? Could be).

I don't wanna vote based on this tinfoil until the endgame, though. For now I'm gonna stay clear off Wilgy/LC.

lmao a role that's godfather if mafia and miller if town

i think that would be a little bastard

I'm saying it because a cop in a small setup like this is borderline OP if mafia doesn't have a godfather.

There's also the elements thing going on, in MJ's rolecard it precised that elements didn't matter so I guess it mattered for PSINE and that she got lucky.

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:02 pm Hey @cayvie did you receive my tea?

not that i'm aware of

Hmm

Ok I gave you tea last night but I have no idea what it does.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:03 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:00 pm I was about to say the setup might have a godfather but nanook randomized the roles so it probably doesn't unless he considered the possibility of a town godfather (or maybe a role that always fools investigations on whatever side it is? Could be).

I don't wanna vote based on this tinfoil until the endgame, though. For now I'm gonna stay clear off Wilgy/LC.

lmao a role that's godfather if mafia and miller if town

i think that would be a little bastard

I'm saying it because a cop in a small setup like this is borderline OP if mafia doesn't have a godfather.

There's also the elements thing going on, in MJ's rolecard it precised that elements didn't matter so I guess it mattered for PSINE and that she got lucky.

Wow I totally forgot the element thing.

But they didn't matter here cuz Psine was an earthbender and all airbenders are dead.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:03 pm
Cayvie what are your reasons to clear DDL?

in my notes it says anti-associations with MJ, i don't remember what precisely

it's not a lock clear for sure

Cayvie: Okay, I'll look into it later!

Hey Wilgy can you explain your cayvie read please?

I'm considering chardonnay - Long Con - Wilgy - cassowary as lock town and never touching it.
It leaves me cayvie - DDL - Fatmo - dov to sort today. I think I want to start fresh and take the time to relook at them and their interactions more precisely.

Idk lol. Read them as scum day 1. Voted the wagon opposite of them day 2 and it landed a baddie.

Just.
Go.
For.
It.

Y'know?

Sorry. Day 3.

oh true cayvie voted dov, I remember thinking it was a really weird post. hmn. That + the instant reaction DDL had makes me a bit afraid they're the last 2 prepping a misflip on dov. Thoughts on that?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:29 pm oh true cayvie voted dov, I remember thinking it was a really weird post. hmn. That + the instant reaction DDL had makes me a bit afraid they're the last 2 prepping a misflip on dov. Thoughts on that?

You had me at hello.

hmn also I don't remember who but someone was very confident in Marcher gladiating dov to "put him in a good position" and it really rubbed me the wrong way, it felt like an attempt to keep low momentum to misflip dov. Note to myself to find who that was while re-reading

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:31 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:29 pm oh true cayvie voted dov, I remember thinking it was a really weird post. hmn. That + the instant reaction DDL had makes me a bit afraid they're the last 2 prepping a misflip on dov. Thoughts on that?

You had me at hello.

hmmn what lol

Im burned

It is surprising b/c im water tribe. I assumed the burner would be fire nation. I was hoping to draw a burn as 2nd most TR'd person beyond PSI, and the burn be nullified. :/

This means that burner is earth/air nation?

the 4 elements thing blocks 2ndary actions as well right?

i would assume so? and fwiw all the air people are dead at this point

i'll give more comprehensive opinions when i'm not swamped at work but I trust PSI's bolding as a crumb so I'll trust LC and Wilgy

(I also think LC and Wilgy seem like likely investigation candidates, and PSI just blatantly TRing Wilgy with no explanation when a bunch of other people were putting him in their PoE mafia club definitely gives credibility to the idea that Wilgy was green-checked)

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:18 pm Cayvie: Okay, I'll look into it later!

Hey Wilgy can you explain your cayvie read please?

I'm considering chardonnay - Long Con - Wilgy - cassowary as lock town and never touching it.
It leaves me cayvie - DDL - Fatmo - dov to sort today. I think I want to start fresh and take the time to relook at them and their interactions more precisely.

Why is cass even lock town?

WIlgy and LC were 100% green checked the bold is too obvious. The only thing you can tinfoil is godfather abilities.

Anyway dov is not playing the game and I don't think he deserves to live till endgame unless he plays the game.

Someone convince me I'm wrong.

[VOTE: dov] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:33 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:18 pm Cayvie: Okay, I'll look into it later!

Hey Wilgy can you explain your cayvie read please?

I'm considering chardonnay - Long Con - Wilgy - cassowary as lock town and never touching it.
It leaves me cayvie - DDL - Fatmo - dov to sort today. I think I want to start fresh and take the time to relook at them and their interactions more precisely.

Why is cass even lock town?

For the UG associatives, I don't think they're ever w/w!

I clarified with mod, and they said if fire nation player targeted me with a normal ablity at night it would fail. However a factional mafia aligned ablity actually passes though regagless the element.

So basically, burning is either a faction thing mafia have, or its a standard ablity a non-fire nation has. Im willing to bet that its factional.

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:05 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:02 pm Hey @cayvie did you receive my tea?

not that i'm aware of

Hmm

Ok I gave you tea last night but I have no idea what it does.

You are a fruit vender?

e.i. you visit a player, and that player is notified of your visit, and nothing else.

-/-/-

We are getting close to mass claim territory I think, what is site standard for mass claims?

Aren't we technically in D4 rn? lol

D1 flip was Jiwon. D2 was the mod kills. D3 was Marcher.

yeah MJ's ability was factional so it's probably the same for the bubble

I'm a bit puzzled by how Jack was saved though, I thought nutella was the healing ability

*burning/poison thing not bubble lol

Im like 100% sure Cassowary is town at this point. I am also in the camp of thought that LC, and Wigley, were PSI's cop checks. I couldnt find anything looking like a thrid check ,or another crumb in PSI's posts so she most likely lost a read via NK, or visiting wrong element.

SO im gonna do a re-read and paying extra attention to (Carotte, DDL, Cayvie, DoV, Fatmo.)

Page 1~4

-DoV's opener is a Non-ai glhf

-Carot's posts include a lot of (joke?) questions, and quips. Im assuming their jokes for the sake of starting desscussion, b/c otherwise they'd be surface level. Trying to look busy.

-I noticed an interesting interaction page one and two where Alison critizes Cayvie's opener as scummy set-up spec. DLL vouches for Cayvie, saying that this is the prefect time for such talk. Page 2 Cavyie town reads DDL over a jokey response to one of her questions. DDL reacts in a way that could be w/w pretty easily.

-Fatmo just gives a non-ai glhf on page two

- I do like the thought behind Carots explantion of her DDL read right here. It feels like a tell she guinuinely beilieves in, and I like the fact that she thought about it before coming back to make the big post. She could've gonna away with the smaller "this seems weird" post if she wanted to.

-I don't like DDL attributing his case towards PSI to Cassowary here

-I must have missed Carotte's dismissal of how PSI, and I were tonally reading her here. Its kinda townie. I also think that the development of her Wigley read is p legit looking. That was something i wanted to double check while rereading Carot.

Pages 5~8

-I really dislike DDL putting the blame of a potentially incorrect read onto another players case here

-DDL sorta made a point of making a lot of pushes early game, but he has yet to back any of these up real hard as of Page 5. In some instances he back tracks away when called out. Looks like hes just trying to look busy.

-Fatmo's wall . I still dont think its anything to strong town read Fatmo over. I think that Fatmo suggesting a Cayvie/Carot/Alison/Nutella town bloc and even offering to support thier choices is moderately townie given its D1, and not a lot has really happened. Im wondering about the point where Fatmo says that they get stronger in the mid-to-late game as I feel like Fatmo has kinda lurked all game.

-I think UG was in retrospect pointing to exibihting " afraid of getting caught stress" in his "whoops" post. Carotte disagreeing here is a :/ from me.

-Cayvies post here seem like it could be frustrated town.

-DDL's active dismissal of PSI's case on UG as tinfoil, but aslo calls PSI out when she considers swiching elsewhere is weird. B/c if DDL sees that as an infieror wagon then why act sus that a player is leaving it.

-Also notice that Cayvie ignores the small two person wagon developing on UG on page 7, when she complaining about there not being any wagons a page ago.

-/-/-/-/-/

Its really looking like its DDL, and Cayie so far. Nothing DDL is doing is reminding of what first looked town to me. I keep seeing things that don't ring town from him in fact.

Pages 9~12

-This post by DDL, and the push away from Jiwon easy wagon for a counterwagon onto Nuetron looks town enough. It doesn't have real scum motivation beyond intentionally doing it for town cred. Which is a possibly.

-Cayvie supports the Neutron push in liu of the jiwon push page 9. I think that's relatively town, as outlined in above DDL post.

-DDL's push on Marcher is ok... I mean in retrospect I don't think it cant be w/w tho.

-DoV quietly votes Jiwon page 9. :/

-Dov sounds like hes purposely dumb telling here

- In the past I said that Dov's post here could come from informed perspective that Carotte is town. I stand by this point now still.

- I noticed that Cayvie and set up Neutron, and Cass, in a mutually exclusive relationship page 10. Marcher also pushed a similar thought at a pont where they weren't concencous scum read page 12. Perhaps this was two mafia goal posting.

- THe DDL vs Carrotte on page 12 isn't w/w. The theater comes at a point where there's 0 perceived need for them to do it. THey had much more pressing matter w/ marcher starting to catch heat thanks to nuetella.

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DoV is scummy. Im not sure where he falls between DDL, and maybe Cayvie. I almost think its gg for town as long as they flip these three. I don't think ethier of the pushes that DDL, or Cayvie, have been making on DoV should discount them from being mafia with DoV. I mostly think mafia would feel a need to bus DoV here. I say that b/c I would probably bus DoV as mafia haha, and I normally am not a busser.

Carotte has mostly seems like town. Fatmo is a non-entity , but I guess they are more likely town then other three above.

Pages 13~16

-I think that wolf Fatmo is probably more inclined to lurk here then bus.

-Carot's posts on the latter half of page 14, and top of 15, where all really town like in conjunction with each other. I thought it was townie when I was experiencing it real time, and I still think its town looking revisiting them.

- CAyvie made a post here that mirrored a lot of thoughts I had at the time about UG/Alison as a theorical. I guess that this is a point towards town cayvie?

-Fatmo doubles down on the Marcher flip. I feel like mafia!Fatmo just wouldn't bus in this gae since they are/have been having trouble keeping up. It seems bussing would be done when a scum felt like they could carry. Fatmo just dosent give me that vibe.

-Reasonably town response from DDL w/ reagrds PSI's precieved anti-town play. Usally mafia dont leture another plaer about havinga sub-optimal play. They risk getting said player annoyed w/o gaining leaverage in town like they would with a read.

-I remember reading this post right after it was posted and thinking it was town. Now im not so sure. I think theres a good chance that DDL was purposely feeding my Carotte paranoia. He addessed me in the next post even.

-This is probably the only point I have to town DoV I normally see these fatalistic "put me out of my misery" posts coming from inexperienced town that feel suffocated.

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Im starting to feel like the team is Cayvie and DDL. I cant exactly explain it in so many words, but its like they are working to a common goal. Their reads don't line up exactly, but the destination seems about that same. Neither seem keen on distancing each other. Perhaps it the result of loosing two buddies, and not wanting to bus again.

DoV could be scum don't get me wrong. Im even fine voting him today. BUt I definitely feel v strongly for DDL, or Cayvie.

Can anybody provide a succinct scum case against Carotte, and Fatmo?

Who agrees with my DDL/Cayvie w/ DoV as an outlier takeaway from the reread?

Also I implore all you guys step up the activity. I don't want to lose in following days b/c town got lazy. GN

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:04 pm Aren't we technically in D4 rn? lol

D1 flip was Jiwon. D2 was the mod kills. D3 was Marcher.

Thread titles will be updated when the list of dead players is updated which is also when the post count limits are updated.

Man you attacking me for all the things carotte has attacked me before makes me so zzzzzzz

I ain'r defending myself against that crap.

If you guys want to yeet me so much then do it. So much pussyfooting going on.

Can someone link me to the post where you people decided cass is locktown cuz I ain't searching for it either

Thing is, I only ever get yeeted as town in this site if it's either the final day phase or if I am really disconnected to the game (usually because of real life). There are probably exceptions but they are so rare I don't remember.

The later is not the case here, so I think we are going to the former. Everyone will keep spinning around me until it's lylo and it only takes one townie giving in to their game long tinfoil for we to lose the game.

So what about we change it and everybody who is tinfoiling me tries to vote me now? I feel like I'm more likely to survive the yeet attempt that way. I'm not sure if I ever won a lylo as town in this site

omg chardonnay thanks for rereading everything!!

This day is a really bad timing for me but I'll try my best to be active >: |

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:45 am Im starting to feel like the team is Cayvie and DDL. I cant exactly explain it in so many words, but its like they are working to a common goal. Their reads don't line up exactly, but the destination seems about that same. Neither seem keen on distancing each other. Perhaps it the result of loosing two buddies, and not wanting to bus again.

DoV could be scum don't get me wrong. Im even fine voting him today. BUt I definitely feel v strongly for DDL, or Cayvie.

ow cool this is the impression I was starting to have as well.
I forgot their early interactions, iirc DDL squinted at cayvie reading him/me as v/v but did it ever really follow-up?

Also on #929 first line your link for Fatmo is not the good one, it links to the one on dov from your previous post

Why do you consider the push on Neutron rather than Jiwon townie? From my POV since they were both town scum always try to yeet the harder to yeet later player first (so in this case DJ, not Jiwon). DDL not wanting to yeet Jiwon D1 because it's "too easy" and wanting to "try harder" (iirc) sounds kinda dissonant with the recent always yeet dov because he's not playing. Like, in a vacuum I don't have a problem with this kind of policy vote but it seems weird to me that he didn't want to go there on D1 but is going there with conviction here for dov. (idk if it's clear but yeah bcwohuouerj)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:45 am Can someone link me to the post where you people decided cass is locktown cuz I ain't searching for it either

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 19#p660619
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 01#p661101

Also DDL you're not being *tinfoilled* because there was never compelling reasons to lock you town or whatsoever.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 am Why do you consider the push on Neutron rather than Jiwon townie? From my POV since they were both town scum always try to yeet the harder to yeet later player first (so in this case DJ, not Jiwon). DDL not wanting to yeet Jiwon D1 because it's "too easy" and wanting to "try harder" (iirc) sounds kinda dissonant with the recent always yeet dov because he's not playing. Like, in a vacuum I don't have a problem with this kind of policy vote but it seems weird to me that he didn't want to go there on D1 but is going there with conviction here for dov. (idk if it's clear but yeah bcwohuouerj)

Again with the manipulation.

How do you actually out "Day 1" in your sentence but conveniently forget to refer to it later in the argument?

Yeeting an inactive in day 1 is too easy. Yeeting an inactive at some point is a necessity. This should be obvious.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:46 am Also DDL you're not being *tinfoilled* because there was never compelling reasons to lock you town or whatsoever.

Semantics.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:43 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:45 am Can someone link me to the post where you people decided cass is locktown cuz I ain't searching for it either

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 19#p660619
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 01#p661101

Ok I'll take that especially the first one.

Replace cass with fatmo in my poe then.

uiorhufre okok quick thoughts before I go back to stupid assignments:

* Wilgy scumread cayvie from a little bit nowhere. In my experience Wilgy has good instincts that get ignored because he's not vocal about it. Here since Wilgy is green checked I think it is important we actually take the time to discuss that cayvie read.

* Cayvie. At the beginning I liked her reaction re: Alison stuff, ??? her DDL read. Then I kinda went on with the town read because nothing pinged me. Then the dov vote happened during the Marcher yeet (???). It felt like prepping a future mischop by impregnating the thread with dov = scum idea and the low search energy vibe. In a way how she put a *vote* on him and explaining it rather than just saying she thinks dov is paired with MJ feels like scum trying to do something "different" to get town cred

* DDL I have scumread since the beginning. I must say I'm really afraid of flipping him and then being wrong :x But like. I still don't really have reasons to townread him. Today he's been pushing dov and... That's it.

* I think I'm back to "Dov is probably just town" because of how people pushed the slot, unless he's wolf with exactly Fatmo or that he's the only scum left (which seems unlikely)

* This point exists because Fatmo exists but I don't really have thoughts

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:46 am Also DDL you're not being *tinfoilled* because there was never compelling reasons to lock you town or whatsoever.

Semantics.

aw I had an English teacher with really funny memes about the importance of stuff like semantics but I don't remember them

But the point is: it matters because it doesn't mean the same thing. When you say you're being tinfoiled you're implying then you should be a consensus ~lock~ town. You're challenging our suspicions of you by implying that you're an evident townie, which is not really the case.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 am Why do you consider the push on Neutron rather than Jiwon townie? From my POV since they were both town scum always try to yeet the harder to yeet later player first (so in this case DJ, not Jiwon). DDL not wanting to yeet Jiwon D1 because it's "too easy" and wanting to "try harder" (iirc) sounds kinda dissonant with the recent always yeet dov because he's not playing. Like, in a vacuum I don't have a problem with this kind of policy vote but it seems weird to me that he didn't want to go there on D1 but is going there with conviction here for dov. (idk if it's clear but yeah bcwohuouerj)

Again with the manipulation.

How do you actually out "Day 1" in your sentence but conveniently forget to refer to it later in the argument?

Yeeting an inactive in day 1 is too easy. Yeeting an inactive at some point is a necessity. This should be obvious.

I'm comparing your D1 philosophy to your D4 philosophy, I don't see the problem? I don't understand how you'd rather keep yeeting the inactives to the later half of the game, it's much less dommageble at the beginning of the game imo

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:13 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:46 am Also DDL you're not being *tinfoilled* because there was never compelling reasons to lock you town or whatsoever.

Semantics.

aw I had an English teacher with really funny memes about the importance of stuff like semantics but I don't remember them

But the point is: it matters because it doesn't mean the same thing. When you say you're being tinfoiled you're implying then you should be a consensus ~lock~ town. You're challenging our suspicions of you by implying that you're an evident townie, which is not really the case.

The majority of the players in this game have been calling me at least lean town so far. Which is probably the main reason I'm still alive.

What I'm saying is that this kind of goodwill happens every game and it usually ends at the exact same time (lylo). I give away a feeling of honesty that people like, but have a certain chaotic behavior that people are suspicious about and give them a lingering suspicion about me. Eventually they decide they gotta test that suspicion before the game ends. GG.

DDL what's your plan now?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:06 am * Cayvie. At the beginning I liked her reaction re: Alison stuff, ??? her DDL read. Then I kinda went on with the town read because nothing pinged me. Then the dov vote happened during the Marcher yeet (???). It felt like prepping a future mischop by impregnating the thread with dov = scum idea and the low search energy vibe. In a way how she put a *vote* on him and explaining it rather than just saying she thinks dov is paired with MJ feels like scum trying to do something "different" to get town cred

if you want my full explanation, i was bored of the MJ chop being a foregone conclusion. iirc it was 5-1 when i added my vote to make it 5-2, and i was trying to see if anyone would hop on, and what would happen then.

in my mind the scummiest thing

DDL has done has been to imply that we have 4 chops left at a time when we probably don't
dov has done is that vote on jiwon. also disappearing after the gladiate
fatmo has done is disappear
carot has done is find the bold tags in psi's readlist on the night she died.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:43 am DDL what's your plan now?

Yeet dov unless dov starts playing.

No, seriously, is there any reason on Earth to let him make to lylo?

This is poe time, there are some people I townread and some I don't, time to tackle the ones I don't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:43 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:43 am DDL what's your plan now?

Yeet dov unless dov starts playing.

No, seriously, is there any reason on Earth to let him make to lylo?

This is poe time, there are some people I townread and some I don't, time to tackle the ones I don't.

Ok but isn't your PoE just dov and me lol?