The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:49 pm @112 come solve the game im beggin you

No

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:21 pm iaafr and Mac are both town probably.

I suppose, but I don't have to like it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:17 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:13 am TMI reads early are rarely accurate ngl.

It's something I've actually been cutting from my scumhunting until some flips have been had.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:13 am Mostly because I've had a really bad run of getting it wrong lmao

I've been mocking attempted TMI reads since Alice tunneled me saying I had TMI on correct reads as she was wolf siding as town in the most egotistic way possible.

TMI reads are mafia at it's basest though. Who knows too much?

I'm vibin with the dead player at this point. Big Sad.

After a bit of time to think it over, I'm sure I can keep Mac as a confident townread. His line of reading and bringing up posts felt legit, he wasn't just pulling posts to scumread he was bringing them up and giving instant opinions on them as he's trying to solve.

it's open night I'm learning?

That's really unfortunate because I sort of could have been posting today....still day off even though I've spent like 5 hours at work and had lunch with my boss

it's also my birthday-- dined on gourmet pizza and drinking french champagne.

i also have a work laptop for the first time in my life to allow me to work from home for free even easier.

the potential drama that called me away last night never ensued-- and that's about it for my update-- I've read very little from when i last posted.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:46 am arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

may I ask how I became a maaaaybe?

It might be Wilgy/Alison actually.

Esooa treatment of Luckbox:
Here's how Esooa goes over luckbox. Note the trend downwards as he becomes scumread.

Luckbox treatment of Esooa:
Has Esooa as wolfy in all outed reads on her but never pushes her.

These are both standard displays of how Esooa/Luckbox treat partners.

Ex: Ice Cream Mafia (Esooa), Vig 10er CFC Subforum (Luckbox), other games. There is the exception that Esooa will aggressively bus if she either thinks that the partner is making things too obvious or not working well with her. Which is not what I'd expect from Luckbox.

Luckbox often partially busses teammates but in a distancing way rather than a bussing way. It's very rare that he doesn't sus at least one of his partners for no reason.

@Alison

That's my Esooa/Luckbox thing.

That was a pathetic case but I have work to do and wanted to put that out there.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:37 pm @Alison

That's my Esooa/Luckbox thing.

realistically I'd probably never push Esooa on D1 even if I was lie 65% sure she was a wolf (which is probably as high as I could possibly get).

Turbo Wilgy tomorrow please, his catchup is garbage. Ender's case is unconvincing but I think he is slightly townie for making it. Don't take him out of the POE but put him at the top of it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:38 pm Turbo Wilgy tomorrow please, his catchup is garbage. Ender's case is unconvincing but I think he is slightly townie for making it. Don't take him out of the POE but put him at the top of it.

I will say this:
I'm not as against this as I thought I was. Mostly because I agree with Alison's thoughts about the catchup.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:50 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:46 am arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

may I ask how I became a maaaaybe?

still had issues with your first 2 posts and still thought the nature of how you townread kami might've been TMI

but ive had lots of doubt on both those two points and think its probably more likely ender/wilgy now, hence the maaaaybe (3rd in poe)

that's it for me personally

in terms of why it's consensus between mac/me/esooa/LC in general, p much just poe unless youd like to challenge the position of one of us

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:00 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:50 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:46 am arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

may I ask how I became a maaaaybe?

still had issues with your first 2 posts and still thought the nature of how you townread kami might've been TMI

but ive had lots of doubt on both those two points and think its probably more likely ender/wilgy now, hence the maaaaybe (3rd in poe)

that's it for me personally

in terms of why it's consensus between mac/me/esooa/LC in general, p much just poe unless youd like to challenge the position of one of us

forgot to put alison in the names of at the bottom list

Heyo, iaafr.

Can you take me through the process that took you from Ender protection squad to Ender hunting squad?

sup

basically esooa/mac/alison's collective confidence on you and the fact that im starting to townread them more

my mind is more open than it seems but i kinda wanna procrastinate re-eval till after the nk flip

Mac's confidence on me is lol-tier because he basically does that every game until I prove myself completely town.

Funnily enough the only times I recall him getting me as town early when he's wolf and TMIs me.

dude I did a huge catch up and was very fair minded, and in this game I'm not alone so trying to discredit me based on past games is lame

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:31 pm dude I did a huge catch up and was very fair minded, and in this game I'm not alone so trying to discredit me based on past games is lame

You were very fair, I will agree.

Sorry. I'm just sitting here annoyed. I feel like everything I've done to try and solve for town has been boiled down to being sus somehow and it's not a you thing. Every time people start townreading me and I feel like I can start actually just doing things without having to defend myself I end up being sussed again.

And it's more a thing from most of the players so far.

That specific poke at you just because you like sussing me was unwarranted.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:04 pm Alright

Quarter caught up.

Ender's posts seem *TOO* there if that makes sense. Agenda vibes > hunting vibes.

Esooa and Alison scum leans.

Not sure what to think on Iaafr.

Lime Coke is town via Ender TMI.

ok i just read this post

unfortunately "not sure what to think" on me in particular (with lack of detail) is something ive experienced empirically at a >>rand rate from scum so this has to die immediately regardless

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:28 pm I didn't think ender was wolfy at all early on

can anybody tell me what was wolfy from him at that point? felt like I was reading a diff thread

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:46 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:44 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:41 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:40 am @iaafr @MacDougall

What are you 2 seeing in Ender that's making him scummy?

What am I, chopped liver?

I remembered him scumreading you not the other way around for some reason.

I can ask you why you find him scummy as well then.

We both scumread each other.

I find Ender scummy because he made an excuse for not following up his entrance post in a threadstate where it is unnatural to feel like you would need such an excuse, as well as trying to parrot my tone/style of engagement and project audacity.

like this was it? for saying he was playing dnd and dropping an rvs vote? just never felt it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:59 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:28 am Idk this is giving me theater vibes

I disagree with theater vibes.

Alison Mac could be T/W based on this early exchange. If it is T/W, I'd say Alison is the Wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:56 pm I'm at the point where we are transitioning out of RVS it seems.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:53 am alisons reaction to your pressure actually like

made her look better in my eyes

ive been unsure and basically just waiting on something to push me on actually scumreading someone between alison and ender because ive kinda wanted there to be a wolf there but have felt neither wolfread to be fully compelling

if you say alisons towny i can kind of see it but totally

How did the Mac Alison spat make Alison look better? This has the opposite effect for me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:04 pm Alright

Quarter caught up.

Ender's posts seem *TOO* there if that makes sense. Agenda vibes > hunting vibes.

Esooa and Alison scum leans.

Not sure what to think on Iaafr.

Lime Coke is town via Ender TMI.

to be fair though thats the thing i hate most about the catchup and the rest is like

not that bad imo?

whoops i never cleared the top 2 multiquotes

true classic mu fuckups imported to the syndicate

well it is kinda bad how he kinda shades all of ender (unless im misunderstanding "Ender's posts seem *TOO* there if that makes sense. Agenda vibes > hunting vibes.") + alison + esooa and doesnt even like

townlean me by poe


kinda strikes me as fake and openpoe?

i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:50 pm i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

I thought the original start was bad but there have been solid posts from her since then. Even in ones that sussed me there's a few that looked good. There was one post I agreed with that I think I quoted during Day phase

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:52 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:50 pm i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

I thought the original start was bad but there have been solid posts from her since then. Even in ones that sussed me there's a few that looked good. There was one post I agreed with that I think I quoted during Day phase

whatre your thoughts on the wilgy catchup + if wilgys a wolf who is the most likely partner fypov

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:27 pm It might be Wilgy/Alison actually.

oh wait sry forgot this post existed

but elaborate on this perception pls

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:54 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:52 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:50 pm i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

I thought the original start was bad but there have been solid posts from her since then. Even in ones that sussed me there's a few that looked good. There was one post I agreed with that I think I quoted during Day phase

whatre your thoughts on the wilgy catchup + if wilgys a wolf who is the most likely partner fypov

I didn't like the Wilgy catchup. I still like my Luckbox/Esooa theory though.

But if it's Wilgy then Esooa gets insta-cleared. It MIGHT be Luckbox still but kinda weird. It's more likely Alison or maybe IAAFR. (I have been wooed by Mac's worldview yes.)

@Alison
@DrWilgy
@EnderWiggin
@Esooa
@iaafr
@Lime Coke
@Luckbox Inc
@MacDougall

At the night in Girardville, Jack Kehoe returned to his tavern. However, when he went there he was not alone...

"I thought we were friends!"

"Sorry Jack, but I was part of the Pinkerton Detective Agency all along! I almost have enough evidence to hang the lot of you Molly Maguires, but without you in the way, it would be easier!"

In the night, a single gunshot was heard. Most assumed it was the sound of dynamite being used in the mines, but when the Molly Maguires arrived in the tavern before the long day of mining ahead, they were horrified:

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:37 pm

You are John "Black Jack" Kehoe! Originally from County Wicklow to the south of Dublin, you moved to Girardville as a kid. You would eventually become a prominent figure in the local Irish community, being selected as the delegate from the Schuylkill County branch of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, and eventually you opened up a tavern (one that's still run by your descendants to this day), which was unheard of for Irish people to accomplish in the region at that time. Despite this, you never forgot your days in the mines, and your tavern became a congregation point for the Molly Maguires. You eventually gained a reputation as the "King" of the Molly Maguires which led to your execution, but you were posthumously pardoned by the government of Pennsylvania in 1979 (over 100 years after your execution) thanks to the efforts of your descendants. You are one of the Molly Maguires and win when the moles from the Pinkerton Detective Agency are rooted out and eliminated.

Meanwhile, the people in charge of the Reading Railroad rejoiced. They had taken down the King of the Molly Maguires! Meanwhile, they paid a few local newspapers in order to blame the killings on the Mollies, but the Mollies weren't convinced. Still, they realized that the fight for their lives was getting more intense, and if they couldn't put a stop to their boss's plans, they would all end up like Kehoe.

It is now D2. You have 48 hours to hang someone. Phase ends on 11 PM on the 16th, eastern time.

Wait what.

Mac is cleared forever lmao.

hmmmm damn

*shakes fist* damn you iaafr

I guess I'm okay with this train for now.

Is there a hammer in this game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:04 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

No you

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:38 pm Turbo Wilgy tomorrow please, his catchup is garbage. Ender's case is unconvincing but I think he is slightly townie for making it. Don't take him out of the POE but put him at the top of it.

I will say this:
I'm not as against this as I thought I was. Mostly because I agree with Alison's thoughts about the catchup.

Cool, at least I can stop 1/3rd of the way through. What's the point if you aren't going to let me finish.

Good to know Alison would declare my catch-up Garbo without engaging me.

Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:31 am Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:33 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:31 am Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

I have Esooa/Luckbox but I'm considering.

Also never a shit question to get worldview.

If that's your lean, why the vote on Mac, just because he voted you?

Yup

is it literally ever not one of Mac or Allison after that

I'm honestly thinking it's just Wilgy/Luckbox here. I have a hard time believing it's anyone else.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:25 am I'm honestly thinking it's just Wilgy/Luckbox here. I have a hard time believing it's anyone else.

really? that's a pretty unusual take from you ngl... you're usually quite provocative and aggro at pushing people I don't find scummy lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:24 am is it literally ever not one of Mac or Allison after that

I got the impression from the kill it wouldn't make sense to have been you or Ender given the POE that I created... why Alison?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:33 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:31 am Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

Wilt thou bless us with a full catch up?