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really? i thought his posts on this page were townier than anything else he's posted all game lol
I was no more towny there than here. I just got obvious because I pushed all the wolves. My day 1 here is practically the same tbh.
Imo it just makes them not partneredstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:59 pmactually the more i think about it, this is probably a towntell for alexa, because i think she would care about mac's reads and feel influenced by them as a villager but probably wouldnt feel as obligated to care if she was wolfingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:58 pmthis might not be fair for me to say but i feel like youre kind of rushing to concede to mac's solve in this post? i don't really think it makes you wolfy and it actually might be towny for you to shift your reads so easily, but saying: "jk, my townreads on wilgy and fingersplints were fake, actually" immediately after mac wolfreads them is really odd timing
Just your recent string of posts and re-thinking things which look like normal town thought processes from you and per usual "taking stances" that I was mentioning earlier.
esooa is mafiastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:00 pmreally? i thought his posts on this page were townier than anything else he's posted all game lol
like maybe not outside of his wolfrange but definitely not something i would consider "bad" - the only part of it that raises my eyebrows is the townread on gira, because i dont really get how nanook got there
mac can wild out, but nook agrees too - nook has pretty accurate reads as town and busses as wolf from what i've seen so that helps. also, this doesn't feel like a bus to me from nook because there's like.. no interaction? if it was W/W i'd expect them to theater it in some way like he did with luckbox but it feels like nook calling wilgy a wolf then wilgy just kinda avoiding himstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:58 pmthis might not be fair for me to say but i feel like youre kind of rushing to concede to mac's solve in this post? i don't really think it makes you wolfy and it actually might be towny for you to shift your reads so easily, but saying: "jk, my townreads on wilgy and fingersplints were fake, actually" immediately after mac wolfreads them is really odd timing
i townlean her, mostly because:MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:07 pmesooa is mafiastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:00 pmreally? i thought his posts on this page were townier than anything else he's posted all game lol
like maybe not outside of his wolfrange but definitely not something i would consider "bad" - the only part of it that raises my eyebrows is the townread on gira, because i dont really get how nanook got there
people just like her so they don't want to ever push her
what's your read on her? has she done anything particularly town?
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:33 pm fwiw i dont really agree that esooa is obvious town and i think that she's still within her wolfrange (that might just be because ive gotten fooled by her before and im more naturally paranoid about misreading her) but i do agree that her posts over the last page or two are pretty towny - mostly cause i feel like she's playing aimlessly and reactively and she tends to have a specific agenda or path she wants to circle back to as a wolf
i dont think these are concrete reasons to townread esooa, but in the absence of reasons to wolfread her, im not really interested in voting for her. do you have any reasons to wolfread her that arent related to unflipped partner associations?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:39 pm oh also, i mindmelded with esooa about a specific fingersplints posting being towny within the same ~60 seconds, and i know that mindmelds are easily fakeable by wolves (cause they can use their TMI to point out towny posts pretty easily), but i thought the specific timing of our mindmeld was >rand likely to make her town
another successful pocket :PLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:04 pmJust your recent string of posts and re-thinking things which look like normal town thought processes from you and per usual "taking stances" that I was mentioning earlier.
yeah alright, i thought that it was weird that you were changing your positioning in such a blatant way but i think it makes sense for you to want to take mac/nook's reads into consideration and i think the way youve gone about doing it is actually town indicative for you, so i dont really have any more questions about italexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:08 pmmac can wild out, but nook agrees too - nook has pretty accurate reads as town and busses as wolf from what i've seen so that helps. also, this doesn't feel like a bus to me from nook because there's like.. no interaction? if it was W/W i'd expect them to theater it in some way like he did with luckbox but it feels like nook calling wilgy a wolf then wilgy just kinda avoiding himstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:58 pmthis might not be fair for me to say but i feel like youre kind of rushing to concede to mac's solve in this post? i don't really think it makes you wolfy and it actually might be towny for you to shift your reads so easily, but saying: "jk, my townreads on wilgy and fingersplints were fake, actually" immediately after mac wolfreads them is really odd timing
when there's people i'm less familiar with but who frequent the syndicate a lot (like wilgy/finger in this scenario, but this applies to any game when i'm not as familiar with some people as others), i tend to let others' i townread or respect read them. i had a couple small town pings but my strong townreads are LC/illario/dizzy/Mac/esooa (though if Wilgy is W, i wouldn't feel as great about the esooa read, would probably replace with nook)
plus it doesn't hurt that i was the first (?) one to scumread him and i thought his earlier posting was wolfy
anyways bbl in 2 hours im capped
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:19 pmanother successful pocket :PLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:04 pmJust your recent string of posts and re-thinking things which look like normal town thought processes from you and per usual "taking stances" that I was mentioning earlier.
you being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though
i deserved that honestlyLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:20 pmstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:19 pmanother successful pocket :PLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:04 pmJust your recent string of posts and re-thinking things which look like normal town thought processes from you and per usual "taking stances" that I was mentioning earlier.
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idon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up nowstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pmyou being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though
yes I think nook is obvious town and her pushing him was fakestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:18 pmi townlean her, mostly because:MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:07 pmesooa is mafiastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:00 pmreally? i thought his posts on this page were townier than anything else he's posted all game lol
like maybe not outside of his wolfrange but definitely not something i would consider "bad" - the only part of it that raises my eyebrows is the townread on gira, because i dont really get how nanook got there
people just like her so they don't want to ever push her
what's your read on her? has she done anything particularly town?
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:33 pm fwiw i dont really agree that esooa is obvious town and i think that she's still within her wolfrange (that might just be because ive gotten fooled by her before and im more naturally paranoid about misreading her) but i do agree that her posts over the last page or two are pretty towny - mostly cause i feel like she's playing aimlessly and reactively and she tends to have a specific agenda or path she wants to circle back to as a wolfi dont think these are concrete reasons to townread esooa, but in the absence of reasons to wolfread her, im not really interested in voting for her. do you have any reasons to wolfread her that arent related to unflipped partner associations?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:39 pm oh also, i mindmelded with esooa about a specific fingersplints posting being towny within the same ~60 seconds, and i know that mindmelds are easily fakeable by wolves (cause they can use their TMI to point out towny posts pretty easily), but i thought the specific timing of our mindmeld was >rand likely to make her town
nanook doesn't busalexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:08 pmmac can wild out, but nook agrees too - nook has pretty accurate reads as town and busses as wolf from what i've seen so that helps. also, this doesn't feel like a bus to me from nook because there's like.. no interaction? if it was W/W i'd expect them to theater it in some way like he did with luckbox but it feels like nook calling wilgy a wolf then wilgy just kinda avoiding himstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:58 pmthis might not be fair for me to say but i feel like youre kind of rushing to concede to mac's solve in this post? i don't really think it makes you wolfy and it actually might be towny for you to shift your reads so easily, but saying: "jk, my townreads on wilgy and fingersplints were fake, actually" immediately after mac wolfreads them is really odd timing
when there's people i'm less familiar with but who frequent the syndicate a lot (like wilgy/finger in this scenario, but this applies to any game when i'm not as familiar with some people as others), i tend to let others' i townread or respect read them. i had a couple small town pings but my strong townreads are LC/illario/dizzy/Mac/esooa (though if Wilgy is W, i wouldn't feel as great about the esooa read, would probably replace with nook)
plus it doesn't hurt that i was the first (?) one to scumread him and i thought his earlier posting was wolfy
anyways bbl in 2 hours im capped
how would you describe playing in a "laid back" way if it isn't not having a coherent worldview and not being caught up with the game? fwiw i don't even think it's wolfy for you to be playing in a "laid back way", i just feel that your struggle to really get invested in this game could be related to your alignment, because even the posts that you made yesterday while you were following along with the game felt kind of strained to me, and like you didn't know what angles to takeGira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:27 pmidon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up nowstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pmyou being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though
somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh
okay well his town reads at that point were LC/Alexa (literally non-reads) and then throwing in Gira for random bullshit reasons, while ignoring actually doing anything. And he pushed Wilgy when Wilgy was posted towny stuff. And his read on Mac/Myself is bullshit just thrown out to throw stuff out, no one itg goes "Mac scum read Esooa once so they're not w/w and I'm gonna say a wolf in there" etcstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:00 pmreally? i thought his posts on this page were townier than anything else he's posted all game lol
like maybe not outside of his wolfrange but definitely not something i would consider "bad" - the only part of it that raises my eyebrows is the townread on gira, because i dont really get how nanook got there
do u mind explaining why you think wilgy is town?Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:38 pm man I have no interest in an inpending EoD where Mac is going to fling shit around and it happens to be directed at me, I would just ask him about his read but I know I'll get nothing out of him
I'm gonna just go, Wilgy reads are super blatantly bad in this thread
ask someone why his posting is wolfystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:39 pmdo u mind explaining why you think wilgy is town?Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:38 pm man I have no interest in an inpending EoD where Mac is going to fling shit around and it happens to be directed at me, I would just ask him about his read but I know I'll get nothing out of him
I'm gonna just go, Wilgy reads are super blatantly bad in this thread
i think i've taken stances and have made an effort to read people even if i've been reserved in throwing out my judgments because i feel having a slam dunk scum read on day 1 is going to be unlikelystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:33 pmhow would you describe playing in a "laid back" way if it isn't not having a coherent worldview and not being caught up with the game? fwiw i don't even think it's wolfy for you to be playing in a "laid back way", i just feel that your struggle to really get invested in this game could be related to your alignment, because even the posts that you made yesterday while you were following along with the game felt kind of strained to me, and like you didn't know what angles to takeGira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:27 pmidon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up nowstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pmyou being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though
somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh
for example, you just said that you think ilario is a wolf because he "isn't taking stances", but wouldn't you argue that the same thing applies to how you're playing in this game? why is it wolfy specifically for ilario to not take many concrete stances but not wolfy for you to take many concrete stances?
well i already did and nobody answered me, so that's why im asking on the other end of the spectrum lolEsooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:40 pmask someone why his posting is wolfystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:39 pmdo u mind explaining why you think wilgy is town?Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:38 pm man I have no interest in an inpending EoD where Mac is going to fling shit around and it happens to be directed at me, I would just ask him about his read but I know I'll get nothing out of him
I'm gonna just go, Wilgy reads are super blatantly bad in this thread
do you think the same thing doesnt apply to ilario, though? just from memory i can recall him naming multiple players as "innocent childs" a few pages back and implying theyre basically confirmed town, so i don't really understand why your read on him is: "he isn't taking stances" and i would find it helpful if you elaboratedGira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:41 pmi think i've taken stances and have made an effort to read people even if i've been reserved in throwing out my judgments because i feel having a slam dunk scum read on day 1 is going to be unlikelystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:33 pmhow would you describe playing in a "laid back" way if it isn't not having a coherent worldview and not being caught up with the game? fwiw i don't even think it's wolfy for you to be playing in a "laid back way", i just feel that your struggle to really get invested in this game could be related to your alignment, because even the posts that you made yesterday while you were following along with the game felt kind of strained to me, and like you didn't know what angles to takeGira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:27 pmidon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up nowstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pmyou being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though
somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh
for example, you just said that you think ilario is a wolf because he "isn't taking stances", but wouldn't you argue that the same thing applies to how you're playing in this game? why is it wolfy specifically for ilario to not take many concrete stances but not wolfy for you to take many concrete stances?
i also think this conversation is probably not going to go anywhere useful
Wilgy was being towny and nanook has done literally nothing and then Nanook made a wolf read on the easiest ML in the thread and everyone else was agreeing because it's easy to do shit like that so I fought against it. Simple as dirt and you've seen me do it 100s of times.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:44 pm @Esooa I don't think Wilgy is as scummy as your reaction to Nanook pushing him tbh. Hence why I voted you and not him. I didn't think Nanook was town for the quality of his reads or his push on Wilgy. I felt he was just in his town meta and it was quite clear to me. Your reaction to him was like an anti mind meld that quickly created sound worldview when I thought about your meta.
i don't think he looks like someone who is concerned with trying to solve the gamestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:43 pmdo you think the same thing doesnt apply to ilario, though? just from memory i can recall him naming multiple players as "innocent childs" a few pages back and implying theyre basically confirmed town, so i don't really understand why your read on him is: "he isn't taking stances" and i would find it helpful if you elaboratedGira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:41 pmi think i've taken stances and have made an effort to read people even if i've been reserved in throwing out my judgments because i feel having a slam dunk scum read on day 1 is going to be unlikelystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:33 pmhow would you describe playing in a "laid back" way if it isn't not having a coherent worldview and not being caught up with the game? fwiw i don't even think it's wolfy for you to be playing in a "laid back way", i just feel that your struggle to really get invested in this game could be related to your alignment, because even the posts that you made yesterday while you were following along with the game felt kind of strained to me, and like you didn't know what angles to takeGira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:27 pmidon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up nowstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pmyou being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though
somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh
for example, you just said that you think ilario is a wolf because he "isn't taking stances", but wouldn't you argue that the same thing applies to how you're playing in this game? why is it wolfy specifically for ilario to not take many concrete stances but not wolfy for you to take many concrete stances?
i also think this conversation is probably not going to go anywhere useful
I remember calling Wilgy a d1 mislynch in waiting in a game in which you were town not so long ago and you called it a meme.Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:44 pmWilgy was being towny and nanook has done literally nothing and then Nanook made a wolf read on the easiest ML in the thread and everyone else was agreeing because it's easy to do shit like that so I fought against it. Simple as dirt and you've seen me do it 100s of times.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:44 pm @Esooa I don't think Wilgy is as scummy as your reaction to Nanook pushing him tbh. Hence why I voted you and not him. I didn't think Nanook was town for the quality of his reads or his push on Wilgy. I felt he was just in his town meta and it was quite clear to me. Your reaction to him was like an anti mind meld that quickly created sound worldview when I thought about your meta.